On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide.
It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
Hate to resurrect the bikeshed, but I was looking
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 10:12 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 00:48:27 -0700
Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data
on
how
often
Am 20.08.2015 um 06:01 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote:
Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would
be the perfect name for this.
May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me Fedora Next, would be
a Fedora distribution
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data on
how
often things are broken on the install path. This could be a
seperate
report, or we could hook it up to the rawhide compose.
OH HEY LOOK:
Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit :
gt; Kevin Fenzi wrote:
gt;
gt;gt; * Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
gt;gt; sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
gt;gt; then and only then look at renaming.
gt;
gt;
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 14:58 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Good reputation must be earned, magical tricks do not work (even
lavishly
funded renaming marketing campaigns have little effect, the best one
can
do is to acquire a brand with lots of goodwill and try to subsume
another
in it).
On 08/20/2015 03:13 PM, Eric Griffith wrote:
If you have a bad experience that experience stays
with you. Maybe you can get over it, maybe you can't. But a name does
have history.
I guess, you guys are not aware that other names related to
RH/CentOS/Fedora also have ambivalent and polarizing
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 08/20/2015 03:13 PM, Eric Griffith wrote:
If you have a bad experience that experience stays
with you. Maybe you can get over it, maybe you can't. But a name does
have history.
I guess, you guys are not aware
On 08/20/2015 03:42 PM, Zach Villers wrote:
Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit :
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
On 19/08/15 13:18 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
Rawhide rebrand:
Something akin to openSUSE's Tumbleweed name.
Maybe reuse the Fedora.Next name? Something that implies its rolling
release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason Fedora Tophat just
popped into my head as a pun on hats and
I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad
connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the
thing itself. Someone just the other day on the Phoronix forums was saying
how they still don't trust RPMs because of RPM Hell all those years back.
The
On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad
connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the
thing itself. Someone just the other day on the Phoronix forums was saying
how they still don't trust RPMs
Le Mer 19 août 2015 18:22, Rex Dieter a écrit :
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
s/renaming/rebranding/
I personally would
On Aug 20, 2015 9:04 AM, Jonathan Wakely jwak...@redhat.com wrote:
On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad
connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name of the
thing itself. Someone just the other day
On Thu, 2015-08-20 at 14:04 +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
On 20/08/15 08:40 -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
I won't say its impossible but its -very- hard to remove the bad
connotations and bad history from a name without changing the name
of the
thing itself. Someone just the other day on
Jonathan Wakely (jwak...@redhat.com) said:
Rawhide already *perfectly* implies rolling to me.
Rollin' rollin' rollin' though the streams are swollen.
Nice to see tht some things survive, some 17 years on
https://lwn.net/1998/0820/rawhide.html
Bill
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On 08/20/2015 09:23 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 20.08.2015 um 06:01 schrieb Ralf Corsepius:
On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote:
Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would
be the perfect name for this.
May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:35:05 -0400
Neal Gompa ngomp...@gmail.com wrote:
One thing I would like to see is that Fedora's development code could
reach a state where something like openSUSE's Tumbleweed would be
possible. If we could take daily/weekly/biweekly snapshots of the
repositories for
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 00:48:27 -0700
Adam Williamson adamw...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Wed, 2015-08-19 at 09:18 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Hook up openqa to run on rawhide every night and give us data on
how
often things are broken on the install path. This could be a
seperate
Greetings.
We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at
flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there,
and also allow people who were there to comment more now that it's not
after 5pm on a friday of the 3rd day of flock. ;)
* The problems/issues:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
s/renaming/rebranding/
I personally would prefer the name be preserved if at all possible, but if
On 08/19/2015 08:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Setup some gating. I think it should work like this:
today you build a rawhide build and it tags into f24 tag, which is used
by the daily compose.
I'd like to change that to build into a f24-candidate tag. At that
point taskotron or other
Rawhide rebrand:
Something akin to openSUSE's Tumbleweed name.
Maybe reuse the Fedora.Next name? Something that implies its rolling
release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason Fedora Tophat just
popped into my head as a pun on hats and being ontop of updates.
On Aug 19, 2015 1:00 PM,
Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
s/renaming/rebranding/
I personally would
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@splat.cc wrote:
Rex Dieter (rdie...@math.unl.edu) said:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:18:04 -0400 Kevin Fenzi lt;ke...@scrye.comgt;
wrote
Greetings.
We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at
flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there,
and also allow people who were there to comment more
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:51:26 -0700
Josh Stone jist...@redhat.com wrote:
On 08/19/2015 08:18 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Setup some gating. I think it should work like this:
today you build a rawhide build and it tags into f24 tag, which is
used by the daily compose.
I'd like to
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu wrote:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
* Matt opened a thread on the marketing list about renaming rawhide. It
sounds like most people would prefer us to make the changes first,
then and only then look at renaming.
Kevin Fenzi composed on 2015-08-19 09:18 (UTC-0600):
Finally there was mention of the baggage associated with the name
rawhide. To this day I see people telling others that rawhide will
eat your babies or rawhide is a methlab and will blow up in your face
every day.
Boo, hiss on the idea.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 09:18:04 -0600,
Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote:
2. Upgrading from a stable release is also often hard due to broken
deps, resulting in having to remove packages just to get upgraded.
dnf works much better than yum for this. You can use distro-sync with
the
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 01:18:42PM -0400, Eric Griffith wrote:
Something akin to openSUSE's Tumbleweed name.
Maybe reuse the Fedora.Next name? Something that implies its rolling
release / pre-release. Fedora Testing? For some reason Fedora Tophat just
popped into my head as a pun on hats and
I thought the Fedora Tophat suggestion was pretty awesome. I also
think the bike shed should be light gray.
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Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would be
the perfect name for this. But the confusion exists so... we either don't
use it, or we -do- use it and Marketing makes an announcement that as as
part of the continuously-changing plans of what defines Fedora Next they
are
Come to think of it, wasn't there an initiative a few years ago to make
Rawhide more stable called Fedora CUT ? Continuously Usable Testing or
something similar
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Ben Cotton bcot...@fedoraproject.org
wrote:
I thought the Fedora Tophat suggestion was pretty
Google informs me that was for Debian, nevermind! .
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Eric Griffith egriffit...@gmail.com
wrote:
Come to think of it, wasn't there an initiative a few years ago to make
Rawhide more stable called Fedora CUT ? Continuously Usable Testing or
something similar
On
On 8/20/15, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Yeah, I thought about Fedora Next. Mostly along the lines of Hmmm,
we've been talking about Fedora.Next for so long as something else that
it might be really confusing, which is a shame, because it'd be a great
name for this. :)
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 07:59:45AM +0800, Christopher Meng wrote:
Yeah, I thought about Fedora Next. Mostly along the lines of Hmmm,
we've been talking about Fedora.Next for so long as something else that
it might be really confusing, which is a shame, because it'd be a great
name for
On 08/20/2015 01:07 AM, Eric Griffith wrote:
Personally, if it weren't for the confusion, I think Fedora Next would
be the perfect name for this.
May-be, you guys are too young to know, but to me Fedora Next, would be
a Fedora distribution addressing Steve Job/Apple's NeXt and advertising
On Wed, 19 Aug, 2015 at 23:09:00 GMT, Ben Cotton wrote:
I thought the Fedora Tophat suggestion was pretty awesome. I also
think the bike shed should be light gray.
While we're tossing paint around, what about Fedora Crest (as in a
wave)? It certainly is waves of updates day-after-day. I also
On 08/19/2015 06:59 PM, Zach Villers wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:18:04 -0400 *Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com*
wrote
Greetings.
We had some nice discussions about rawhide in my friday workshop at
flock. I thought I would post here to get input from folks not there,
and
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