Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 06/27/2018 06:18 AM, Lubomír Sedlář wrote: > Removing Yyum would mean that there will no longer be /usr/bin/pungi > available in Fedora. This would affect bodhi-server too. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 8:01 AM Tom Hughes wrote: > > On 12/07/18 09:15, Daniel Mach wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi > > wrote: > > > > koji is kinda important. I think this is meaning python2-koji? > > I would hope python3-koji/koji stays

Re: Koji (was: Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3)

On 07/14/2018 09:14 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 10:15:38AM +0200, Daniel Mach wrote: >>> koji >>> >>> koji is kinda important. I think this is meaning python2-koji? >>> I would hope python3-koji/koji stays around? >>> >> ditto > > I don't understand, will Koji

Koji (was: Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3)

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 10:15:38AM +0200, Daniel Mach wrote: > > koji > > > > koji is kinda important. I think this is meaning python2-koji? > > I would hope python3-koji/koji stays around? > > > ditto I don't understand, will Koji still work or not? I was told (I don't know for sure) that

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 07/12/2018 01:15 AM, Daniel Mach wrote: > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> On 06/27/2018 03:18 AM, Lubomír Sedlář wrote: >>> Removing Yyum would mean that there will no longer be /usr/bin/pungi >>> available in Fedora. This is not a problem for any work done by release

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 12/07/18 09:15, Daniel Mach wrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi > wrote: koji is kinda important. I think this is meaning python2-koji? I would hope python3-koji/koji stays around? ditto I believe koji is only in the list because it has a

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 06/27/2018 03:18 AM, Lubomír Sedlář wrote: > > Removing Yyum would mean that there will no longer be /usr/bin/pungi > > available in Fedora. This is not a problem for any work done by release > > engineering, but it is still used by people

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 06/27/2018 03:18 AM, Lubomír Sedlář wrote: > Removing Yyum would mean that there will no longer be /usr/bin/pungi > available in Fedora. This is not a problem for any work done by release > engineering, but it is still used by people creating spins. > > So this is a call to action: if anyone

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 04:25:16PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next > > > release. > > > Should the change be called differently? > > Especially since Yum has been

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 10:37 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 05:49:39PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 02:37:07PM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > If we're keeping both commands, I don't really care - but to make > > > sure I'm understanding this,

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 05:49:39PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 02:37:07PM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > If we're keeping both commands, I don't really care - but to make > > sure I'm understanding this, we're proposing to eliminate the yum > > code, create a symlink

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 02:37:07PM -0700, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > If we're keeping both commands, I don't really care - but to make > sure I'm understanding this, we're proposing to eliminate the yum > code, create a symlink for yum pointing to dnf and then change our > documentation to no longer

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:17 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 03:45:06PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > > To tie two recent devel list threads, this is a perfect use case for > > a ~/bin being first in PATH: a ~/bin/yum -> /bin/dnf symlink for > > those that don't want to

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 03:45:06PM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > To tie two recent devel list threads, this is a perfect use case for > a ~/bin being first in PATH: a ~/bin/yum -> /bin/dnf symlink for > those that don't want to rewrite scripts. As I understand it, regardless of which one we

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 06/28/2018 08:51 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 01:29:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: But in Fedora land, we've spent several years selling the message "yum is gone and replaced with this new thing called dnf". It would be rather confusing to suddenly start selling the

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 06/28/2018 03:34 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: To answer the ecosystem question... if I were an EL shop that had been using yum and writing scripts to interact with yum for years, and then I had to rewrite all of my scripts and retrain my muscle memory to call a new command that had similar semantics

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 3:24 PM Gerald B. Cox wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Matthew Miller >> wrote: >> >> > When FESCo decided to approve that change to the original plan, this >> > was noted as a potential risk. I

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 11:54 AM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > When FESCo decided to approve that change to the original plan, this > > was noted as a potential risk. I personally think that staying aligned > > with the rest of the RH distro

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 02:54:05PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > When FESCo decided to approve that change to the original plan, this > > was noted as a potential risk. I personally think that staying aligned > > with the rest of the RH distro ecosystem is worth some inconvenience. > > It'll make

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 2:51 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 01:29:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > But in Fedora land, we've spent several years selling the message "yum > > is gone and replaced with this new thing called dnf". It would be > > rather confusing to

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 01:29:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > But in Fedora land, we've spent several years selling the message "yum > is gone and replaced with this new thing called dnf". It would be > rather confusing to suddenly start selling the message "oh hey yum is > back only now it's

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 7:16 AM, Daniel Mach wrote: > DNF shouldn't diverge from YUM just "because we can". > We're fixing some obvious differences that weren't introduced for any good > reason. > > There will be no special compat layer just a yum -> dnf symlink. > If the compatibility is

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 1:35 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 18:18 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:30 PM Adam Williamson > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 16:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200,

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jan Kurik writes: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 >> >> >> Owner(s): >> * Daniel Mach >> >> >> Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora. >>

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Dne 27.6.2018 v 13:44 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > So is it actually possible to use DNF to prepare bootstrap buildroot > containing YUM from RHEL and then the buildroot itself being managed by > YUM? Last time I tried to come up with setup like this I failed > (rhbz#1467314) ... Right. Still not

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Dne 28.6.2018 v 02:00 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): > How about changing the default config to use DNF instead? Last I checked, > the tenor was that it should work and that you just prefer using YUM 3 to > ensure the results are the same as when running mock on an EL machine, but > if YUM 3 is not

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Miroslav Suchý wrote: > Yes, YUM is required. Technically it is "Suggests: yum" on Fedoras. How about changing the default config to use DNF instead? Last I checked, the tenor was that it should work and that you just prefer using YUM 3 to ensure the results are the same as when running mock on

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 18:18 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:30 PM Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 16:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > > > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 4:30 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 16:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next > > > > release. > > > > Should the

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, 2018-06-27 at 16:25 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next > > > release. > > > Should the change be called differently? > > > > Especially since Yum has been

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 02:54:07PM +0200, Björn Persson wrote: > > IMHO deprecate != remove, but rather mark for removal in some next release. > > Should the change be called differently? > Especially since Yum has been called "yum-deprecated" for several > releases already. How about "Replace

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 27.6.2018 11:52, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 > > > > > > Owner(s): > >* Daniel Mach > > > > > > Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora. > > > >

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 8:24 AM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Jan Kurik writes: > > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 > > > > > > Owner(s): > > * Daniel Mach > > > > > > Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Jan Kurik writes: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 Owner(s): * Daniel Mach Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora. == Detailed description == Remove packages from the distribution: * createrepo We

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Dne 27.6.2018 v 13:06 Miroslav Suchý napsal(a): > Dne 27.6.2018 v 12:14 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): >> Isn't yum required to build {RH,EP}EL{6,7} packages using Mock? >> Actually, the Mock "bootstrap" feature could be used to fetch YUM from >> {RH,EP}EL using DNF, but I am not sure it can be

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Dne 27.6.2018 v 12:14 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): > Isn't yum required to build {RH,EP}EL{6,7} packages using Mock? > Actually, the Mock "bootstrap" feature could be used to fetch YUM from > {RH,EP}EL using DNF, but I am not sure it can be configured like this Yes, YUM is required. Technically it

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Removing Yyum would mean that there will no longer be /usr/bin/pungi available in Fedora. This is not a problem for any work done by release engineering, but it is still used by people creating spins. So this is a call to action: if anyone wants to continue using it, now is the time to come up

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

Dne 27.6.2018 v 11:52 Jan Kurik napsal(a): > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 > > > Owner(s): > * Daniel Mach > > > Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora. Isn't yum required to build {RH,EP}EL{6,7}

Re: F29 Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3

On 27.6.2018 11:52, Jan Kurik wrote: = Proposed Self Contained Change: Deprecate YUM 3 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Deprecate_YUM_3 Owner(s): * Daniel Mach Remove yum (v3) and all related packages from Fedora. == Detailed description == Remove packages from the distribution