Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ModernizeLiveMedia Just for reference, today Fedora CoreOS uses a different implementation of this:

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Frank R Dana Jr.
> With > {{package|livesys-scripts}}, those scripts have been simplified and > turned into systemd services that activate only in live environments. Just to confirm, will live-media-only these systemd services all be contained within a package (either livesys-scripts, or some other RPM), and

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Michael J Gruber
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton > > Neal, Matt, what is the rationale for enabling persistence for the default > boot option? I have mixed opinions about this. One of the benefits of a > Live image, as we use it today, is that it's always the same/fresh. If I > use it and then

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 09:22:23AM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > I don't think that persistence by default is a good idea, because > modern USB-flash drives are very unreliable and don't have a > wear-cell balancer, so it will wear out very quickly for some > frequently modified files.

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 18/10/2022 22:35, Ben Cotton wrote: There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with persistence and setup of persistence should work. I don't think that persistence by default is a good idea, because

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 2:57 AM Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton wrote: >> >> There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and >> booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with >> persistence and setup of persistence should

Re: F38 proposal: Modernize Live Media (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-10-19 Thread Kamil Paral
On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 10:43 PM Ben Cotton wrote: > There should be new options for resetting the persistent overlay and > booting with no persistence. The default options should boot with > persistence and setup of persistence should work. > Neal, Matt, what is the rationale for enabling