On Feb 6, 2014, at 12:39 AM, Dariusz J. Garbowski thufo...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 05/02/14 05:46 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 02/04/2014 06:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
And then we can definitely justify making them bigger. 550MB, or even 1GB.
It's neutral to plus
for performance for
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 01:41 -0500, David wrote:
On 2/5/2014 12:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 21:47 -0500, David wrote:
On 2/4/2014 5:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:18:27PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
Does anyone know why the convention is to create the ESP as the first
partition?
Because that's the only configuration anyone's likely to have tested.
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On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 02:45:29PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
You're making a fatal mistake: assuming some kind of sense on the part
of firmware authors. ;)
Not really -- I figure that either the firmware is
On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
installing Fedora on UEFI systems. Should cover the 'greatest hits' that
show up in bug reports, forums and IRC the most.
What about installations on systems which only offer 32-bit
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote:
On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
installing Fedora on UEFI systems. Should cover the 'greatest hits' that
show up in bug reports, forums and
On 02/05/2014 01:09 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote:
On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
installing Fedora on UEFI systems. Should cover the 'greatest hits'
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:56:02PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote:
Yeah it's really a mistake for us to be using the linux/initrd commands
under any circumstances.
I have created the following bug report
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1055157
which was reverted because the
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 10:44 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
installing Fedora on UEFI systems. Should cover the 'greatest hits' that
show up in bug reports, forums and IRC the most.
On Wed, 2014-02-05 at 13:30 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
On 02/05/2014 01:09 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:44 AM, Florian Weimer fwei...@redhat.com wrote:
On 02/04/2014 05:09 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not too technical help for
On 02/04/2014 06:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
And then we can definitely justify making them bigger. 550MB, or even
1GB. It's neutral to plus for performance for either HDDs or SSDs
(faux short stroked in the former, and overprovisioned for the
latter). Does anyone know why the convention is to
On 05/02/14 05:46 PM, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 02/04/2014 06:18 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
And then we can definitely justify making them bigger. 550MB, or even 1GB. It's
neutral to plus
for performance for either HDDs or SSDs (faux short stroked in the former, and
overprovisioned for
the
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 08:14:06PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
(This is a particular pain point for me -- my main development box was
originally installed as BIOS, and I switched it to UEFI, and I'm sure
I did it wrong because the boot process is impressively finicky.)
If your hard disc
On Mon, 3 Feb 2014 20:14:06 -0800
Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
that in the wiki.
(This is a particular pain point for me -- my main development box was
originally installed as BIOS, and I switched it to UEFI, and I'm sure
I did it wrong because the boot process is impressively
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 04:42:23PM +0100, Jochen Schmitt wrote:
On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 08:14:06PM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
(This is a particular pain point for me -- my main development box was
originally installed as BIOS, and I switched it to UEFI, and I'm sure
I did it wrong
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org said:
…and configure the UEFI boot options, which you can't do because you're
not running under UEFI and so have no access to UEFI runtime services.
That's probably the biggest flaw in the whole UEFI setup - you can't
access it unless you
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Chris Adams li...@cmadams.net wrote:
Once upon a time, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org said:
…and configure the UEFI boot options, which you can't do because you're
not running under UEFI and so have no access to UEFI runtime services.
That's probably the
I've done conversions in both directions a few times although not very
recently. But having done it, I'd say f it, just reinstall. Or f it, get
drunk and sent to the hospital is even a better experience than converting.
BIOS-UEFI
- BIOS install won't have an EFI System partition, so you have to
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
I've done conversions in both directions a few times although not very
recently. But having done it, I'd say f it, just reinstall. Or f it, get
drunk and sent to the hospital is even a better experience than
On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
I think that half the difficulty here is that UEFI is annoying and the
other half is that both GRUB2 and efibootmgr are miserable.
For single OS installs, you shouldn't have to interact with any of those
things. shim.efi, or
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
I think that half the difficulty here is that UEFI is annoying and the
other half is that both GRUB2 and efibootmgr are miserable.
For single OS
On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot partition, and a smallish (1 or 2 GB) ext4
/boot near the beginning of the disk. All Linuxes seem perfectly
happy to install this
On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:30 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
I think that half the difficulty here is that UEFI is annoying and the
other
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
/boot is useful regardless of how you boot. The ESP doesn't need to
be very large and doesn't cause any harm if booted via BIOS. The BIOS
Boot
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 10:03 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot partition, and a smallish (1 or 2 GB) ext4
/boot near the beginning of the disk. All Linuxes seem perfectly
happy to install this way
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 11:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
And in fact it's worse in that presently I can't create an ESP per
disk because the installer is mountpoint centric not partition
centric. So I can only create one ESP on one disk because I can have
only one /boot/efi.
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 11:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot partition, and a smallish (1 or 2 GB) ext4
/boot near the beginning of
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 10:03 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot partition, and a smallish (1 or 2 GB) ext4
/boot near the
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 11:49 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 10:03 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot
On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
IMO in an ideal world, there would be one (or zero!) copy of the
bootloader config, and the default configuration of the bootloader
would populate the ESP (with the signed shim!), the BIOS Boot
partition, and the (fake) MBR
On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 11:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
And in fact it's worse in that presently I can't create an ESP per
disk because the installer is mountpoint centric not partition
centric. So I can only create one
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 12:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Your proposal like cmurf's involves us auto-creating the BIOS boot
partition, so it doesn't have *that* problem, but it has another
problem, the one I pointed out to cmurf - it's not actually all that
easy to have custom part just
On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 11:49 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a BIOS Boot
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 10:30:58AM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
I think that half the difficulty here is that UEFI is annoying and the
other
On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 10:03 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
This reminds me: I *always* install with a GPT partition table, an ESP
partition, a
On Tue, Feb 04, 2014 at 11:49:06AM -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
What failed? I'm guessing that userspace improvements since then have
mostly fixed this. I've never seen any problem on F18 (IIRC) and up
with GPT partition tables being BIOS-booted. It seems to Just Work
(tm).
Some
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:45 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
You of all people know the consequences of adding more complexity to the
installer's partitioning codepaths. ;)
Yeah what's complex is error checking whether an ESP is needed, and
whether it's present, and the not present gripe code,
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
On Feb 4, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Andrew Lutomirski l...@mit.edu wrote:
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 10:03 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
This reminds
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create both partitions when
installing to GPT. Presumably if firmware can handle a GPT disk at
all, it won't care whether it happens to contain an ESP unless it's
actually trying to boot it using
On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create both partitions when
installing to GPT. Presumably if firmware can handle a GPT disk at
all, it won't care whether it
On Feb 4, 2014, at 2:45 PM, Chris Murphy li...@colorremedies.com wrote:
If the layout you created filled the
whole disk, what do we shrink to fit the ESP in?
It's easier if the ESP size is withheld from Available Space for every
selected disk, and every selected disk gets an ESP.
And
On 2/4/2014 5:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create both partitions when
installing to GPT. Presumably if firmware can handle a GPT disk at
all, it won't care whether it happens to contain an ESP
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 21:47 -0500, David wrote:
On 2/4/2014 5:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create both partitions when
installing to GPT. Presumably if firmware can handle a GPT disk at
all,
On 2/5/2014 12:52 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 21:47 -0500, David wrote:
On 2/4/2014 5:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Tue, 2014-02-04 at 14:29 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
and my suggestion is now to just create both partitions when
installing to GPT. Presumably if
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
So, look what I wrote today:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
(just plain https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UEFI redirects to that page,
too).
It's a (hopefully) not too long and not
On Mon, 2014-02-03 at 20:14 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
So, look what I wrote today:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface
(just plain https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UEFI
On Feb 3, 2014 9:31 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Mon, 2014-02-03 at 20:14 -0800, Andrew Lutomirski wrote:
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com
wrote:
So, look what I wrote today:
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