Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Now without any further testing the package can be pushed to stable, which contradicts the purpose of this whole change in bodhi. Sssh, why can't you keep quiet about this?! I think, for packages that are modified during the testing period, this N should be calculated

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Luke Macken
On 08/12/2010 07:12 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Luke Macken wrote: - Minimum time-in-testing requirements - Every day bodhi will look for updates that have been in testing for N days (fedora: N=7, epel: N=14), and will

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Luke Macken
On 08/12/2010 07:15 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Now without any further testing the package can be pushed to stable, which contradicts the purpose of this whole change in bodhi. Sssh, why can't you keep quiet about this?! I think, for packages that are modified during the

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luke Macken wrote: Fixed in https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/changeset/97b1a9d1f9ceecaaa2128837cc5bbd7f8e495f36 That fix is really unhelpful and makes it a PITA to edit updates! In the past, KDE SIG has often edited in some trivial fixes into the final stable push of a KDE grouped update which

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Luke Macken wrote:       - Minimum time-in-testing requirements           - When someone tries to push an update to stable, bodhi will             look to see if it has the appropriate karma, or if it has             been in testing for more than N days. I

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Orcan Ogetbil wrote: The F-(x) package will have higher EVR than the F-(x+1) one. This will break the upgrade path. Is there any measures to prevent this? No. In fact FESCo specifically refused to consider this as an issue, they say separate releases need separate testing and so they refuse

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Luke Macken wrote: Ok, so the problem here is that bodhi unpushes updates when you edit *anything* in it. If it only unpushed an updated when you add/remove builds from it, then this scenario would be sane. There's still the We've been testing a new KDE release for 2-3 weeks, now we need to

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread List Troll
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Luke Macken wrote: Ok, so the problem here is that bodhi unpushes updates when you edit *anything* in it.  If it only unpushed an updated when you add/remove builds from it, then this scenario would be sane. There's

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
List Troll wrote: If you have been *testing* it for 2-3 weeks surely you have no problem to find two testers to confirm the small fix? This argument has been brought up all the time. The thing is, it takes time to find people to +1 updates. It takes even longer if the people actually test the

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: This argument has been brought up all the time. The thing is, it takes time to find people to +1 updates. It takes even longer if the people actually test the updates before +1ing them (as they're expected to). This excessive and useless QA adds delays over delays. But FWIW, when it

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
I wrote: But FWIW, when it comes to KDE in particular, the whole thing is moot or soon to be moot anyway because parts of KDE are now being redefined as critical path, resulting in even more annoying update policies, even though there was clear consensus in KDE SIG that such policies are

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: IMHO, FESCo should be abolished, Fedora needs to be ruled by the SIGs! Why are you here? All you do is shout about how everything that is done is done wrong, and how you wanted to do it different but were out-voted. Why don't you go

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Chris Adams wrote: Why are you here? All you do is shout about how everything that is done is done wrong, and how you wanted to do it different but were out-voted. Why don't you go start your own distribution? If you are right, then you should have no trouble getting a large group of

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Matt McCutchen
On Fri, 2010-08-13 at 03:33 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Why are you here? All you do is shout about how everything that is done is done wrong, and how you wanted to do it different but were out-voted. Why don't you go start your own distribution? If you are right, then

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/13/2010 01:23 AM, Luke Macken wrote: On 08/12/2010 07:12 PM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Luke Macken wrote: - Minimum time-in-testing requirements - Every day bodhi will look for updates that have been in testing for N days

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