On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200,
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it
manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it
for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200,
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it
manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 13:41:57 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines
will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives
attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 13:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:50:11AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:33:04 +0200,
Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote:
No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 03:20:22PM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 13:41 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines
will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives
attached, and the ACPI function
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that
include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation that
instructs the user to install them.
To make this more precise,
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Or just add floppy-support and analog-joystick-support packages that
include appropriate modprobe.conf fragments, and have documentation
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:37:16 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
Or just add floppy-support and
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:23, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:37:16 +0100,
Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 08:09:51AM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 14:26:39 +0100,
Matthew Garrett
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 18:25 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
ACPI turned out to be full of lies. The real problem is that machines
will report a floppy controller even if they have no floppy drives
attached, and the ACPI function that's supposed to return a list of
drives
Matthew Garrett wrote:
There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a)
whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could
have the gameport driver automatically pull in analog but that'd
probably break people doing midi or using some more specialised
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 06:30:30PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed for
analog joysticks using this udev rule:
SUBSYSTEM==pnp, ENV{MODALIAS}!=?*, ATTRS{id}==PNPb02f,
RUN+=/lib/udev/load-modules.sh analog
(They have since
On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
Matthew Garrett wrote:
There's no way to get any feedback from the gameport driver as to (a)
whether there's anything plugged in, or (b) what is plugged in. We could
have the gameport driver automatically pull in analog
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 07:18:40PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 30.08.11 18:30, Kevin Kofler (kevin.kof...@chello.at) wrote:
An Arch Linux user once pointed out to me that Arch (at the time) probed
for
analog joysticks using this udev rule:
SUBSYSTEM==pnp, ENV{MODALIAS}!=?*,
On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 16:58 +0200, Jos Vos wrote:
Don't let us all fall in the GNOME3 trap (assuming that all hardware
now has accelerated graphics support, which is even more ridiculous,
although GNOME3 has become useless for most people I know anyway).
GNOME 3 does not do that. It has an
Simo Sorce wrote:
It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can
install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no
reason.
This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work on any hardware
it encounters if at all possible.
Kevin
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 09:13:05PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Simo Sorce wrote:
It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can
install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no
reason.
This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 21:13 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Simo Sorce wrote:
It seem much more intelligent to add a package owners of floppies can
install, so that 99.9% of the others do not have to wait forever for no
reason.
This goes against the principle that Fedora should Just Work on
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said:
Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working
properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'.
At least this is the reasoning I see and agree with.
How many systems are there that hang forever when the
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 14:55 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said:
Making boot hang for long periods can easily be seen as 'Not working
properly' and therefore make default floppy support 'not possible'.
At least this is the reasoning I see and agree
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said:
I said:
A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore
B) I said hang for long periods and not forever, where here long
is of course relative to modern machine boot times.
You said:
It seem much more intelligent to add a package
On Tue, 2011-08-30 at 15:12 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said:
I said:
A) 99.9% of users do not needed the floppy anymore
B) I said hang for long periods and not forever, where here long
is of course relative to modern machine boot times.
You
Once upon a time, Simo Sorce s...@redhat.com said:
They do not 'hang', they just take longer to boot, sometimes a lot
longer.
How much longer? How many such machines? Again, I've booted systems
without floppy drives but with floppy support loaded, and I haven't seen
any significant hang.
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 21:12, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote:
In any case, instead of arguing semantics, can you answer my actual
question? How many systems hang when floppy.ko is loaded? If it is a
large number, it should be easy to point to lots of data.
Ok, just some very
Chris Adams wrote:
Leaving known-working hardware unusable at install is just rude and
irritating when it is needed. There should be good justification, not
just a bunch of developers don't use it anymore, so we don't think
anybody else needs it.
+1
Kevin Kofler
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Chris Adams wrote:
Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and
/usr/sbin/fdformat)?
Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't
support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for
several releases.
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Chris Adams wrote:
Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and
/usr/sbin/fdformat)?
Why does it have any floppy tools any more? The kernel maintainers don't
support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for
several releases.
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:44:33AM -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Because there are still people with floppy drives?
+1
It's ridiculous to think that older HW doesn't exist because systems
with that HW are not sold anymore (I don't even know id the latter
is true at all -- some special purpose
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Chris Adams wrote:
Why does util-linux have two floppy disk formatters (/usr/bin/floppy and
/usr/sbin/fdformat)?
Why does it have any floppy tools any more?
because we still support floppy devices?
The kernel
Karel Zak wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 09:37:37AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
The kernel maintainers don't
support the floppy module and the module hasn't been auto-loaded for
several releases.
Does it mean that modprobe floppy does not work?
No, it means that (unless this was
Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said:
No, it means that (unless this was recently fixed) you have to modprobe it
manually (e.g. from rc.local) because nothing bothers trying to modprobe it
for you anymore. IMHO, this is really broken, but the bug reports about it
were
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