Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-08 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:11 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58:15)

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-08 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 12:10:36AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 20:11 +0100, Till Maas wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK:

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.12.2012 18:23, Josh Boyer napsal(a): On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Also, there was dissent already in the auto-approving of leaf-features during the meeting discussion so I am not sure that auto-accepting of Features in general given a lack of

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/07/2012 09:28 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Feature is something somebody considers important enough to create feature page for it. Period. That describes the current state and is your point of view. To me an Feature is a completely different thing. I am not sure why do you want to

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 10:28 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 6.12.2012 21:40, Josh Boyer napsal(a): On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 11:20:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: As I said in the meeting yesterday, I think the

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - On Fri, 2012-12-07 at 10:28 +0100, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 6.12.2012 21:40, Josh Boyer napsal(a): On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 11:20:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: As I said in the

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 7.12.2012 11:13, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson napsal(a): On 12/07/2012 09:28 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Feature is something somebody considers important enough to create feature page for it. Period. That describes the current state and is your point of view. To me an Feature is a completely

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/07/2012 11:13 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 7.12.2012 11:13, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson napsal(a): On 12/07/2012 09:28 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Feature is something somebody considers important enough to create feature page for it. Period. That describes the current state and is your point of

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Alternately, Feature could be the term for the any small or big thing which is useful to track and tout for marketing purposes, and big technical changes could be, I dunno... Major Changes. The meeting minutes showed that

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - It doesn't matter from a get this thing into Fedora standpoint. It very much matters from a marketing/communication standpoint. If it didn't matter, Fedora Marketing wouldn't be picking specific items out of the overall Feature list. The example I used in the

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 7.12.2012 15:06, Jaroslav Reznik napsal(a): - Original Message - It doesn't matter from a get this thing into Fedora standpoint. It very much matters from a marketing/communication standpoint. If it didn't matter, Fedora Marketing wouldn't be picking specific items out of the

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure why do you want to categorize it by size and impact, when it will be autocategorized by feedback on ML. It's common knowledge that you cant autocategorized by feedback on Mailing list regardless

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/07/2012 04:46 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure why do you want to categorize it by size and impact, when it will be autocategorized by feedback on ML. It's common knowledge that you cant

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Emmanuel Seyman emman...@seyman.fr wrote: * Miloslav Trmač [07/12/2012 18:07] : Advertising the feature on the _devel_ list is intended precisely to get feedback from developers of other possibly affected components. IIRC, being subscribed to devel@ is not

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 06:06:24AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Do not call it Feature Process but Planning process - as it fits the decision to create F19 schedule after we know the scope +1 to that! -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/07/2012 05:22 PM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 04:51:43PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/07/2012 04:46 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure why do you want to categorize

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Michael Scherer
Le vendredi 07 décembre 2012 à 18:22 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon a écrit : On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 04:51:43PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 12/07/2012 04:46 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: I am not sure why

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/07/2012 06:37 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: While I cannot answer for Jóhann, I think a proposal could be to contact for example QA, as some features will have a huge impact for them. Contact irc support, as they may have some insight on the common issue reported by people, etc. We have a

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 03:20:14PM -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58:15) * AGREED: Do not block on fedup signature checking (not

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 08:11:08PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik, 18:58:15) * AGREED: Do not block on fedup signature checking (not a

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-07 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 02:28:16PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Dec 07, 2012 at 08:11:08PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: * 960 - F18 schedule + the holidays (notting, 18:50:29) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaroslavReznik/FedupF18Final - not updated yet (jreznik,

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 5.12.2012 21:20, Bill Nottingham napsal(a): === #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-12-05) === Meeting started by notting at 18:07:27 UTC. The full logs are available at

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: * 896 - Refine Feature Process (notting, 18:07:50) * AGREED: Feature process modification: features are announced on devel-announce by feature wrangler once wrangler verifies feature page content (+:9, -:0)

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 09:07 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: * 896 - Refine Feature Process (notting, 18:07:50) * AGREED: Feature process modification: features are announced on devel-announce by feature wrangler once

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Tomas Mraz tm...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 09:07 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: * 896 - Refine Feature Process (notting, 18:07:50) * AGREED: Feature process modification:

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 6.12.2012 17:02, Tomas Mraz napsal(a): On Thu, 2012-12-06 at 09:07 -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: * 896 - Refine Feature Process (notting, 18:07:50) * AGREED: Feature process modification: features are announced on

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Josh Boyer
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Vít Ondruch vondr...@redhat.com wrote: Also, there was dissent already in the auto-approving of leaf-features during the meeting discussion so I am not sure that auto-accepting of Features in general given a lack of response is ever going to actually happen. I

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 12/06/2012 04:20 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: As I said in the meeting yesterday, I think the definition of a Feature needs to be cleared up before we can really tackle this one. Feature to me is something important enough that it shouldn't be auto-accepted. If there is some other class of thing

Re: Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Dec 06, 2012 at 11:20:22AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: As I said in the meeting yesterday, I think the definition of a Feature needs to be cleared up before we can really tackle this one. Feature to me is something important enough that it shouldn't be auto-accepted. If there is some

Summary/Minutes for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2012-12-05)

2012-12-05 Thread Bill Nottingham
=== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2012-12-05) === Meeting started by notting at 18:07:27 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-12-05/fesco.2012-12-05-18.07.log.html . Meeting summary