Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:03:33PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: for decades. Fedora 14's init system isn't that different to the first version of RHL (4.0) I started using back in 96. This is somewhat misleading.  

OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Frank Murphy
What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last year. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-12 Thread Lucas
Ok, it looks like I have managed to fix it. I have blacklisted b43 and removed rpc and some other things. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/12/2011 03:27 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last year. http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/releases/15/Multi/ Rahul -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last year. We were able to work through all the technical issues with the proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD images for Fedora

rawhide report: 20110612 changes

2011-06-12 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Jun 12 08:15:22 UTC 2011 Broken deps for x86_64 -- 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadmsslutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.i686 requires libadminutil.so.1 389-admin-1.1.16-1.fc16.x86_64

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 13:19:23 +0200, Jared K. Smith wrote: We were able to work through all the technical issues with the proposal, and Release Engineering has created Multi-Desktop LiveDVD images for Fedora 15. They even auto-detect whether you're on an i386 or x86_64 platform, but of course

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread John Reiser
On 06/12/2011 04:55 AM, Jan Kratochvil wrote: so when there exists now a releng-approved biarch spin why isn't the default Download button on http://fedoraproject.org finally the biarch-autodetecting spin? A biarch single-desktop download would be enough with under 2GB size. 1GB USB flash

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:16:41 +0200, John Reiser wrote: 1GB USB flash storage often can be scavenged for no monetary cost. 2GB USB flash storage more often costs real money. I got my 2GB flash for free, I do not find this 1GB-2GB difference relevant, the availability also differs according to

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/06/11 12:19, Jared K. Smith wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote: What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last year. We were able to work through all the technical issues with the proposal, and Release Engineering has

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 10:57 +0100 schrieb Frank Murphy: What is the status of the MultiLiveCD, that was being mooted last year. It is available for download at http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/releases/15/Multi/ AFAIK the NA ambassadors have received their media already while EMEA is

Re: Are 3.0 kernels working for anyone?

2011-06-12 Thread Dave Jones
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 01:27:44PM -0700, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: On 2011-06-11 12:11, Lucas wrote: Actually it does relabel by it self after boot with option selinux=0 That sounds rather useful. How does it know whether or not it was previously booted with selinux=0? booting with

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 13:55 +0200 schrieb Jan Kratochvil: I was trying to push it since 2009: [Fedora-livecd-list] auto-biarch (x86_64 + i686) LiveDVD patch + ISO https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2009-June/msg00018.html

Re: retiring hal-info

2011-06-12 Thread Linus Walleij
2011/4/28 Richard Hughes hughsi...@gmail.com: In a move that will surprise few, I'm retiring hal-info in devel and orphaned it in f15. If hal gets blocked for f16, then I'll do the same for hal-info. The only thing that requires hal-info is hal, and libmtp-hal. Fixed this the other day,

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Jan Kratochvil
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:49:18 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: * It is still a new technology and only got a very limited amount of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at all but only last minute. Making it default would IMHO be to risky. It is

Reminder: Fedora 13 end of life on 2011-06-24

2011-06-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 13. Fedora 13 will reach end of life on 2011-06-24, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent release of Fedora 15, no new packages will be added to the Fedora 13

New package maintainer asking for sponsor

2011-06-12 Thread Carlos Olmedo Escobar
Hi. My name is Carlos Olmedo and I'm the upstream developer of libsysactivity [1] and i want to maintain the fedora package because it's old and orphaned. I filed a review request [2] but now i need a sponsor. Anybody interested? ~Carlos [1] http://sourceforge.net/projects/libsysactivity/ [2]

Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
Hello list, Any tips how to debug why laptop CPU temperature is around 30 degrees celsius higher on Fedora 14 or Fedora 15 compared to Windows 7 ? Both Linux and Windows were idle when measuring.. I tried both Fedora 14 (Linux 2.6.35) and Fedora 15 (Linux 2.6.38). Laptop specs: - HP

Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds this is nothing i would expect with http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52213 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- devel

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:19:03AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:03:33PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: for decades. Fedora 14's init system isn't that different to the first version of RHL

intel 82579LM/82574L network not working on the same machine?

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
if have the following two network cards the 02:00.0 is an additional pci-express-card and recognized as eth0 the 00:19.0 is on-board and ignored from the system 00:19.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection (rev 04) 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 08:19:03AM +0200, drago01 wrote: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:03:33PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: for decades. Fedora

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds 1) Wrong list 2) Update to F15 -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 18:37, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds 1) Wrong list because

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:37, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install and use it. and why in the world is systemd forced after a upgrade via yum where upstart was in use

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install and use it. and why in

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 18:56, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:56, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Harald

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 19:03, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you said upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install and use it - so how and why damned must be a init-replace in a early state forced on a existing

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Lucas
On 06/12/2011 09:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:03, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: you said upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install and use it - so how and why damned must be a

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 19:14, schrieb Lucas: On 06/12/2011 09:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Look, to be able to use Sandy Bridge you need - i915 driver, kernel, and Xorg. You can add Fedora 15 repository and update only kernel, Xorg and intel driver. All of this you can download from koji and

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/12/2011 12:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 18:53, schrieb drago01: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: upstart is still maintained and shipped, you should be able to install and use it. and why in the world is systemd forced after a

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 12 June 2011 16:56:33 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hello list, Any tips how to debug why laptop CPU temperature is around 30 degrees celsius higher on Fedora 14 or Fedora 15 compared to Windows 7 ? Both Linux and Windows were idle when measuring.. I tried both Fedora 14 (Linux 2.6.35)

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 06:20:55PM +0100, José Matos wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2011 16:56:33 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Hello list, Any tips how to debug why laptop CPU temperature is around 30 degrees celsius higher on Fedora 14 or Fedora 15 compared to Windows 7 ? Both Linux and Windows

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Lucas
On 06/12/2011 09:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:14, schrieb Lucas: On 06/12/2011 09:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Look, to be able to use Sandy Bridge you need - i915 driver, kernel, and Xorg. You can add Fedora 15 repository and update only kernel, Xorg and intel driver.

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Lucas
On 06/12/2011 09:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:14, schrieb Lucas: On 06/12/2011 09:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Look, to be able to use Sandy Bridge you need - i915 driver, kernel, and Xorg. You can add Fedora 15 repository and update only kernel, Xorg and intel driver.

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Ilyes Gouta
Hi Reindl, You could also build it from sources. You should already have the latest kernel and the X server updates, compiling the intel driver will then produce a couple of user-space shared libraries that you can place in /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers. That's it. -Ilyes 2011/6/12 Reindl

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread Peter Lemenkov
2011/6/12 Pasi Kärkkäinen pa...@iki.fi: Hello list, Any tips how to debug why laptop CPU temperature is around 30 degrees celsius higher on Fedora 14 or Fedora 15 compared to Windows 7 ? Both Linux and Windows were idle when measuring.. I tried both Fedora 14 (Linux 2.6.35) and Fedora 15

Re: What is the status of Features/YumLangpackPlugin?

2011-06-12 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 02 June 2011 16:28:56 Bill Nottingham wrote: 1) This feature will also allow firefox and thunderbird to earn langpacks as they deserve. It certainly allows for it - it requires that the packagers take advantage of it. ISTR discussions in the past that the mechanics of creating

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 19:28, schrieb Lucas: Strange, I did exactly the same thing with Fedora 14, I add new kernel, changed xorg and intel driver. But I have i686. mhh - strange - an trying to update glibc results in chaos Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden means file not found in english yes

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Lucas
On 06/12/2011 10:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:28, schrieb Lucas: Strange, I did exactly the same thing with Fedora 14, I add new kernel, changed xorg and intel driver. But I have i686. mhh - strange - an trying to update glibc results in chaos Datei oder Verzeichnis

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 20:07, schrieb Lucas: On 06/12/2011 10:02 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 19:28, schrieb Lucas: Strange, I did exactly the same thing with Fedora 14, I add new kernel, changed xorg and intel driver. But I have i686. mhh - strange - an trying to update glibc

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 07:09:19PM +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) wrote: while you're thinking about what to do in the area of virt-clone / cloning VMs, I recon it would be nice not only to be able to clone VMs that have image files, but also those that have a Logical Volume as

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread José Matos
On Sunday 12 June 2011 18:26:25 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: What is the graphics card? It's ATI radeon RV635. Do you have the same graphics card? I think so (but I think that are mixing the references :-) ): # lspci | grep ATI 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc

Re: Laptop CPU overheating in Fedora, temperature +30 celsius higher than in Windows

2011-06-12 Thread Andreas Tunek
2011/6/12 José Matos jama...@fc.up.pt: On Sunday 12 June 2011 18:26:25 Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: What is the graphics card? It's ATI radeon RV635. Do you have the same graphics card? I think so (but I think that are mixing the references :-) ): # lspci | grep ATI 01:00.0 VGA compatible

SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem * now see screenshot * WTF is there to relabel if started with selinux=0-kernel-param WHY IN THE WORLD ARE USERS

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem * now see screenshot * WTF is

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread John R. Dennison
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:39:17PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: WTF every three years a new pig is forced to run through the city and if any subsystem is runnign well and debugged some idiot comes out of his hole and try replace and force everybody to use it I don't agree with the design or

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as

Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 23:43, schrieb John R. Dennison: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 11:39:17PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: WTF every three years a new pig is forced to run through the city and if any subsystem is runnign well and debugged some idiot comes out of his hole and try replace and force

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 23:45, schrieb Josh Boyer: why are users of running systems are forced to change their init-system to systemd? upstart is in the repos but ignored I actually don't know the answer to this question other than Fedora switched to systemd cool - on linux the apple-way starts

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Frank Murphy
On 12/06/11 22:54, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 23:45, schrieb Josh Boyer: why are users of running systems are forced to change their init-system to systemd? upstart is in the repos but ignored snip Try yum install upstart, kernel arg init=/sbin/upstart YMMV. -- Regards, Frank

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 23:23 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I DO NOT NEED SYSTEMD ON 20 SERVERS HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE STARTING FAST ENOUGH AND I NEED NO MAGIC WHICH THINKS KNOWS WHAT TO START IN WHICH ORDER SINCE I KNOW WHAT IS RUNNING ON MY SYSTEMS Why run Fedora itself on 20 servers? Those are

RE: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread John Dulaney
PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before No one is stopping you from packaging upstart (assuming someone hasn't done so) for F15. * the system is running since years * every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem * now see

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.06.2011 23:58, schrieb Frank Murphy: On 12/06/11 22:54, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 23:45, schrieb Josh Boyer: why are users of running systems are forced to change their init-system to systemd? upstart is in the repos but ignored snip Try yum install upstart, kernel arg

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/12/2011 05:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.06.2011 23:35, schrieb Josh Boyer: On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before * the system is running since

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 00:00, schrieb Mike Chambers: On Sun, 2011-06-12 at 23:23 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: I DO NOT NEED SYSTEMD ON 20 SERVERS HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE STARTING FAST ENOUGH AND I NEED NO MAGIC WHICH THINKS KNOWS WHAT TO START IN WHICH ORDER SINCE I KNOW WHAT IS RUNNING ON MY SYSTEMS

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 00:13, schrieb Steve Clark: WTF every three years a new pig is forced to run through the city and if any subsystem is runnign well and debugged some idiot comes out of his hole and try replace and force everybody to use it sarcasmdon't you know you will save 15-30 seconds

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 00:04, schrieb John Dulaney: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before No one is stopping you from packaging upstart (assuming someone hasn't done so) for F15. it is in the repos and it is replaced by systemd via yum

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Steve Clark
On 06/12/2011 06:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 00:13, schrieb Steve Clark: WTF every three years a new pig is forced to run through the city and if any subsystem is runnign well and debugged some idiot comes out of his hole and try replace and force everybody to use it

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 00:23, schrieb Steve Clark: On 06/12/2011 06:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: sarcasmdon't you know you will save 15-30 seconds each time you boot up/sarcasm someone come out there and show me how will a 20 second-reboot on the vmware-guest production servers will get 20 seconds

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before systems upgraded with yum still have upstart installed (I did it myself) and you can select the init as a kernel parameter, so

Re: F15 / VirtualBox

2011-06-12 Thread Jeroen van Meeuwen
Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 07:09:19PM +0100, Jeroen van Meeuwen (Kolab Systems) wrote: while you're thinking about what to do in the area of virt-clone / cloning VMs, I recon it would be nice not only to be able to clone VMs that have image files, but also those that

Re: Reminder: Fedora 13 end of life on 2011-06-24

2011-06-12 Thread nomnex
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:01:24 -0600 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: Greetings. This is a reminder email about the end of life process for Fedora 13. Fedora 13 will reach end of life on 2011-06-24, and no further updates will be pushed out after that time. Additionally, with the recent

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread drago01
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 13.06.2011 00:23, schrieb Steve Clark: On 06/12/2011 06:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: sarcasmdon't you know you will save 15-30 seconds each time you boot up/sarcasm someone come out there and show me how will a

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 00:54, schrieb Christoph Wickert: Am Sonntag, den 12.06.2011, 23:23 +0200 schrieb Reindl Harald: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before systems upgraded with yum still have upstart installed (I did it myself) and

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 12:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds this is nothing i would expect with http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=52213 I

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 01:54, schrieb Genes MailLists: On 06/12/2011 12:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: is there any clean way to get newer intel-graphics drivers on fedora 14? performance is horrible and under kde the desktop often hangs for some seconds this is nothing i would expect with

Re: Reminder: Fedora 13 end of life on 2011-06-24

2011-06-12 Thread Josh Stone
On 06/12/2011 04:11 PM, nomnex wrote: I might wait for F16 to do a clean install. It's the first time I reach an EOL. Can you tell me if the packages in the F13 repository remains available (even though the packages are not updated) past June, or not? Thanks The archives are here:

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread John Dulaney
Am 13.06.2011 00:04, schrieb John Dulaney: PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum NOT USING systemd and force upstart as before No one is stopping you from packaging upstart (assuming someone hasn't done so) for F15. it is in the repos and it is replaced by

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 07:59 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: I have done this and its working - I've used rawhide with 2.6.39 kernel and also F15. See my comments below. I'll describe what you need to do using subset of F15. this forces a GLIBC-Upgrade, see my others posts Yes - I said the same

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 02:28, schrieb John Dulaney: not today but in some months How so? How is it that in 'some months' you will be forced to use systemd? Are the Chinese going to torture you until you make the switch? F14 EOL? No Kernel 2.6.38 while Kernel-Update in the support-cycle not so

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:23:30 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: * now see screenshot That's probably https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709681 * WTF is there to relabel if started with selinux=0-kernel-param Although fedora-autorelabel.service is there, it does not imply that anything is

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 02:29, schrieb Genes MailLists: Perhaps this is not the way for you if you find it confusing ... my suggestion then is deal with systemd and its bugs/quirks or perhaps install F15 and replace systemd with upstart - that should work the same as f14 + a few f15 packages. you

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:16:00 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: [Sun Jun 12 23:30:40 2011] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could not create /var/run/httpd/httpd.pid [Sun Jun 12 23:30:40 2011] [error] httpd: could not log pid to file /var/run/httpd/httpd.pid well this is the F14 build of Apache

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 02:38, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:23:30 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: * now see screenshot That's probably https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709681 * WTF is there to relabel if started with selinux=0-kernel-param Although

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 02:42, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:16:00 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: [Sun Jun 12 23:30:40 2011] [error] (2)No such file or directory: could not create /var/run/httpd/httpd.pid [Sun Jun 12 23:30:40 2011] [error] httpd: could not log pid to file

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:42:15 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: and why does it STOP the boot-process at a point no network is available? Mounts from /etc/fstab are considered required unless they are marked with the nofail option. why does it start the relabel service i never see with selinux=0 and

Re: Fedora 14 and Sandy Bridge graphics

2011-06-12 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/12/2011 08:40 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 02:29, schrieb Genes MailLists: Perhaps this is not the way for you if you find it confusing ... my suggestion then is deal with systemd and its bugs/quirks or perhaps install F15 and replace systemd with upstart - that should work

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 02:56, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:42:15 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: and why does it STOP the boot-process at a point no network is available? Mounts from /etc/fstab are considered required unless they are marked with the nofail option. why does it start

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:44:36 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: but it shows that the widely use of systemd is too soon because this crap has to say FAILED and not OK in this case! Apparently the httpd initscript returned with exit code 0. A service can fail after starting successfully. Michal --

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 18:42:11 +0200 Denys Vlasenko wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 15:36 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: Why does systemd link against libpam? systemd does logins now, not /bin/login or gdm or ...? to implement PAMName= (man systemd.exec) I don't see any users of this

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Michal Schmidt
On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 03:01:19 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 02:56, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:42:15 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: and why does it STOP the boot-process at a point no network is available? Mounts from /etc/fstab are considered required unless

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.06.2011 03:26, schrieb Michal Schmidt: On Mon, 13 Jun 2011 03:01:19 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: Am 13.06.2011 02:56, schrieb Michal Schmidt: interesting: mount /mnt/storage manually works after that exclude the mountpint in /etc/fstab results in normal boot and you have everytime

how to push to stable?

2011-06-12 Thread Chuck Anderson
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/ocp-0.1.20-8.fc15 bodhi says of my update: bodhi - 2011-06-10 05:03:46 This update has reached 3 days in testing and can be pushed to stable now if the maintainer wishes But clicking the mark as stable button says: This update has not yet met the

Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

2011-06-12 Thread Orcan Ogetbil
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Michal Schmidt wrote: Have you looked at the bug I linked to? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=709681 Is it relevant for your situation? Having a quick look at the link and at the steps to reproduce the bug gave me shivers. Are we really sure that

Re: OT: Fedora MulitiLiveCD, Current Status?

2011-06-12 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Sunday, June 12, 2011 09:30:30 AM Jan Kratochvil wrote: On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 15:49:18 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: * It is still a new technology and only got a very limited amount of testing [1]. It was not tested during the release cycle at all but only

Re: Reminder: Fedora 13 end of life on 2011-06-24

2011-06-12 Thread Robert Nichols
On 06/12/2011 07:27 PM, Josh Stone wrote: On 06/12/2011 04:11 PM, nomnex wrote: I might wait for F16 to do a clean install. It's the first time I reach an EOL. Can you tell me if the packages in the F13 repository remains available (even though the packages are not updated) past June, or not?

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/09/2011 08:24 PM, Clément David wrote: Hi, My name is Clément DAVID (aka davidcl) and I'm a french software developer. I'm currently working on Scilab [1]. I'm interested to become a packager for Scientific application or just software toys :). My first package has been approved

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/07/2011 07:11 AM, Ryan Lewis wrote: Hola Fedora developers, My name is Ryan! Currently i'm a PhD student in computer science theory at dartmouth college. I'm a campus ambassador at dartmouth college. My research interests are in computational applied topology for a brief introduction

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-12 Thread Ryan Lewis
Hey Rahul, I few things are in the works: I am packing this program sketch, as a first taste of learning RPM's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711547 I'm not sure why I haven't heard back from the reviewers after these few days have gone by, maybe I will hear this week? -rhl On

Re: Self Introduction

2011-06-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 06/13/2011 09:27 AM, Ryan Lewis wrote: Hey Rahul, I few things are in the works: I am packing this program sketch, as a first taste of learning RPM's https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711547 I'm not sure why I haven't heard back from the reviewers after these few days have

[Bug 711261] Missing dependency ocaml-curl-devel - libcurl-devel

2011-06-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=711261 Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[perlbrew] BR perl(Test::Spec)

2011-06-12 Thread Iain Arnell
commit b0870e36991178c5ed1f9b46508a54da49862546 Author: Iain Arnell iarn...@gmail.com Date: Sun Jun 12 08:47:38 2011 +0200 BR perl(Test::Spec) perlbrew.spec |8 +--- 1 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/perlbrew.spec b/perlbrew.spec index

[Bug 712671] New: perl-Shipwright-2.4.26 is available

2011-06-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. Summary: perl-Shipwright-2.4.26 is available https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712671 Summary: perl-Shipwright-2.4.26 is available Product: Fedora

[Bug 712694] perl-Data-FormValidator: Reports invalid field as valid when untaint_all_constraints used

2011-06-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712694 --- Comment #1 from Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com 2011-06-12 10:36:48 EDT --- This issue affect the versions of the

[Bug 712694] perl-Data-FormValidator: Reports invalid field as valid when untaint_all_constraints used

2011-06-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712694 Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added

[Bug 712694] perl-Data-FormValidator: Reports invalid field as valid when untaint_all_constraints used

2011-06-12 Thread bugzilla
Please do not reply directly to this email. All additional comments should be made in the comments box of this bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=712694 --- Comment #2 from Jan Lieskovsky jlies...@redhat.com 2011-06-12 10:51:13 EDT --- CVE Request: [3]

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