On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote:
Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com writes:
On 09/14/2011 09:55 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
Honestly, if systemd updates has 5% of users failing on an update to
the software - we should dump the thing immediately and go back to
Hello,
I'm particularly interested in package halevt,
I have released the ownership of this one in pkgdb, in case that
helps you in short-time perspective.
Note I have not done anything but the clicks in pkgdb (sending mail
to fedora-devel?).
Have a nice day,
Stepan Kasal
--
devel
2011/9/14 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Piotrowski?= mkkp...@gmail.com writes:
2011/9/14 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
Certainly postgresql.init was never exactly lean-and-mean, so it
seems like it ought to have been doing more work than the unit file
requires. Are you sure
2011/9/14 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com:
On Tue, 2011-09-13 at 20:37 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Piotrowski?= mkkp...@gmail.com writes:
2011/9/14 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
Certainly postgresql.init was never exactly lean-and-mean, so it
seems like it ought to have
On 09/13/2011 11:03 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lanet...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to native systemd
files.)
I used this service file on F15 and it starts slower
4214ms
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:33:54AM +0300, Myroslav Opyr wrote:
Hi,
Hello,
Virtualization Test day is expected to be on September 15th this year
([1]https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/232).
So that's tomorrow!
Luckily Xen Hackathon (@Munich) event is just happening,
so
perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables has broken dependencies in the F-16
tree:
On x86_64:
perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables-0.01-2.fc15.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.4)
On i386:
perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables-0.01-2.fc15.noarch requires
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree:
On x86_64:
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
On i386:
perl-NOCpulse-Gritch-1.27.9-1.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
Please resolve this as soon as
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the F-16 tree:
On x86_64:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
On i386:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
Please resolve this as soon as
On 09/14/2011 10:56 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
Thats right! Just wave your hands and say it is all ok that systemd
is slower now but it is doing
so much more and we will make it better in the future...!
I never said that what I said was it's irrelivent the startup time of a
service on a
On 09/14/2011 01:42 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
Honestly, if systemd updates has 5% of users failing on an update to
the software - we should dump the thing immediately and go back to
upstart. That is insanely high bug rate for core code which is (or
should be) pretty simple.
Rahul was
On 09/14/2011 04:35 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
On 09/13/2011 11:03 PM, Micha? Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lanet...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to native systemd
files.)
I used this
On 09/14/2011 05:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote
I realize, but that was indeed part of the point of my reply - lets
avoid making up things (with or without hyperbole) - and best we can,
stick to facts and real issues.
You are ignoring the real issue. Since you don't seem to understand my
point
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:35:47 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/9/13 Tom Lanet...@redhat.com:
...
I used this service file on F15 and it starts slower
4214ms postgresql.service
if we compare with an old SysVinit script
2469ms postgresql.service
First
On 09/14/2011 11:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 09/14/2011 05:13 PM, Genes MailLists wrote
I realize, but that was indeed part of the point of my reply - lets
avoid making up things (with or without hyperbole) - and best we can,
stick to facts and real issues.
You are ignoring the real
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to native systemd
files.)
I used this service file on F15 and it
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched
2011/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
On 09/14/2011 10:56 AM, Steve Clark wrote:
This was a simple test to start postgresql - what else needs to be done!
An simple test to measure this reliably is to strip down the legacy sysv
init script to the start up command only and have a
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:25:23AM -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 02:25:52PM +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 01:33:54AM +0300, Myroslav Opyr wrote:
Hi,
Hello,
Virtualization Test day is expected to be on September 15th this
On 09/14/2011 02:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Is systemd boot actually any faster? There seems to be no
noticable difference in boot times for me over whatever we
were using in F14. ie. both methods still takes ages, far
longer than should be necessary.
We arent optimising the default
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Miloslav_Trma=E8?= m...@volny.cz writes:
2011/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
An simple test to measure this reliably is to strip down the legacy sysv
init script to the start up command only and have a strip down unit file to
the startup command only.
Then
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote:
Michal's numbers look pretty damning, and I find it remarkable that the
systemd advocates seem to have managed not to read them, let alone admit
that they suggest something's seriously wrong.
Michal's numbers look intriguing.
On 09/14/2011 04:31 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lanet...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for
Am 13.09.2011 23:58, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
On 09/14/2011 02:59 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote:
So Fedora guys what you are waiting for ? update systemd please , should
I open a report in bugzilla ?
I can explain each of your examples but since systemd upstream developer
is also the Fedora
Am 14.09.2011 06:52, schrieb Rahul Sundaram:
It is a small number of people repeating bringing up high risk and
frankly silly ideas like updating to a major new version of a core
component in a update without sufficient justification for taking that
risk
if fedora has a problem with updates
Am 14.09.2011 14:16, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
And FYI to all those that gloriously want to upgrade and claim that it's
bug free or they ( all of what two people ) not encountered any issues
inetd-style socket activation is borked in .35 ( users need to downgrade
to .34 or add
On 09/14/2011 03:37 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
better position to judge is relative
Not really. Noone is in a better position to judge the impact of
updates more than the upstream developers who also maintain the
component in Fedora.
yes, updates may introduce new bugs / problems
but nobody
2011/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
On 09/14/2011 02:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Is systemd boot actually any faster? There seems to be no
noticable difference in boot times for me over whatever we
were using in F14. ie. both methods still takes ages, far
longer than
Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Ok, I made four series of tests:
- start/stop an old init script
- start/stop an old init script with dropping caches - should simulate
system booting
- start/stop service file
- start/stop service file with dropping caches
Just to be clear.
This is done on an F15
On 09/14/2011 11:28 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Miloslav_Trma=E8?=m...@volny.cz writes:
2011/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundssonjohan...@gmail.com:
An simple test to measure this reliably is to strip down the legacy sysv
init script to the start up command only and have a strip down unit file
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:58:11 +0200
Stepan Kasal ka...@ucw.cz wrote:
Hello all,
Therefore I'd like to ask FESCo to mass-orphan all packages owned
by him. Should I open a ticket?
yes, it is true that I'm not able to find any time to do my duties as
a package maintainer. I agree that
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
On 09/14/2011 04:31 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jonesrjo...@redhat.com
wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom
2011/9/14 Jef Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com:
Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Ok, I made four series of tests:
- start/stop an old init script
- start/stop an old init script with dropping caches - should simulate
system booting
- start/stop service file
- start/stop service file with dropping caches
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 07:43 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
Also, I'd be curious if LP felt the risk was high or negligible - since
his thoughts should carry more weight on this topic.
I assume he would not think 5% of users would have un-bootable systems.
No developer ever thinks their change
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 15:22 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:03:04AM +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 11:28 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
Michal's numbers look pretty damning, and I find it remarkable that the
systemd advocates seem to have managed not to read them, let alone admit
that they suggest something's seriously wrong.
Tests of a single service on a single system in an
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:23 +0200, drago01 wrote:
What kind of disk is that? For a mechanical drive any gain from
parallel startup would get killed by disk seeks.
There is no real 'gain' from parallel startup when switching from
upstart to systemd, especially in the F15 case where almost all
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 17:47 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote:
2011/9/14 Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com:
On 09/14/2011 02:22 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
Is systemd boot actually any faster? There seems to be no
noticable difference in boot times for me over whatever we
were
2011/9/14 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com
Exactly. F15, PostgreSQL 9.0 and just service file from PostgreSQL
9.1. Root filesystem and database are on SSD and Ext4.
Okay... brace yourself.
I just ran this test on my non-SSD ext4 based F15 system and I get the
opposite result on
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=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Micha=B3_Piotrowski?= mkkp...@gmail.com writes:
Ok, I made four series of tests:
- start/stop an old init script
- start/stop an old init script with dropping caches - should simulate
system booting
- start/stop service file
- start/stop service file with dropping caches
In
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:23 +0200, drago01 wrote:
What kind of disk is that? For a mechanical drive any gain from
parallel startup would get killed by disk seeks.
There is no real 'gain' from parallel startup when
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 19:43 +0200, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 18:23 +0200, drago01 wrote:
What kind of disk is that? For a mechanical drive any gain from
parallel startup would get killed by disk seeks.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote:
Here's what I did:
...
4. Note the time from the first date output to the database system is
ready to accept connections message getting logged
Tom,
your methodology is sound. You're too kind to say but given the
completion
On 09/14/2011 12:41 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 07:43 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote:
Also, I'd be curious if LP felt the risk was high or negligible - since
his thoughts should carry more weight on this topic.
I assume he would not think 5% of users would have
Alle mercoledì 14 settembre 2011, Kevin Fenzi ha scritto:
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:58:11 +0200
Stepan Kasal ka...@ucw.cz wrote:
Hello all,
Therefore I'd like to ask FESCo to mass-orphan all packages owned
by him. Should I open a ticket?
yes, it is true that I'm not able to find
Hi Fedora people.
I have just installed F16 on my Asus 522 (a netbook) and everything
works regarding hw. Good work everybody!
However, compared to F15 everything feels really slow. Typing this has a
delay of about .5 seconds for every character in Evolution, and logging
into Gnome Shell takes a
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Andreas Tunek andreas.tu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Fedora people.
I have just installed F16 on my Asus 522 (a netbook) and everything
works regarding hw. Good work everybody!
However, compared to F15 everything feels really slow. Typing this has a
delay of
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:03:38 -0400,
Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Try the 3.1-rc6 kernel sitting in bodhi waiting to be pushed to f16 stable.
While I don't have hard numbers running that kernel seems to help. My rawhide
system was so slow that I rebuilt that kernel (though probably I
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 15:01 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 16:03:38 -0400,
Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
Try the 3.1-rc6 kernel sitting in bodhi waiting to be pushed to f16 stable.
While I don't have hard numbers running that kernel seems to help. My rawhide
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:46:40 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
They weren't; see my numbers in the related bug
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735268 ). The debug
overhead appears to have gotten much heavier in 3.1.
I added myself to that bug, though I
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:28, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:46:40 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
They weren't; see my numbers in the related bug
(https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=735268 ). The debug
overhead appears to
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 14:00 -0700, darrell pfeifer wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:28, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 13:46:40 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
They weren't; see my numbers in the related
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 14:16:16 -0700,
Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote:
The 'fix' for the F16 kernel is simply that, with the rc6 build,
debugging has been disabled. debugging is never disabled in Rawhide
kernels, so if debugging overhead is your problem, no Rawhide kernel is
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I think the degree of slow down now, compared with the past, makes this
issue a bug. If things are like they are now, I won't be running debug
kernels on my rawhide systems. It costs me too much time. It would be
nice to
On 09/14/2011 12:35 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 14.09.2011 14:16, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
And FYI to all those that gloriously want to upgrade and claim that it's
bug free or they ( all of what two people ) not encountered any issues
inetd-style socket activation is borked in .35 (
Hello, all.
I have been trying to contact Andreas Osowski (CC-ed) about updating
Almanah to upstream 0.8.0 (bug 720544 [1]).
I have pinged him twice on this bug report (once on August 19 and again
on September 3). I also emailed him directly just over two days ago; but
have unfortunately
Hello all,
sorry for this small hassle,
I was planning to answer Peter's last e-mail tomorrow as I was unable to do
so today.
@Peter: The update is the first thing on my todo list for tomorrow together
with a rebuild of mumble for F16 rawhide.
- Andreas
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:50 PM, Peter
Adam Williamson (awill...@redhat.com) said:
Well we never had upstart (it was just a renamed sysvinit i.e we
didn't use any of its parallel startup stuff).
hum, I thought we were using its ability to parallel start things based
on LSB deps. oh well. it's certainly *capable* of that,
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 21:48:48 +
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote:
...snip...
When I had time to look at irc from $dayjob I noticed that I had been
ping and what awaits me was this...
abadger1999: He's on what could only be usefully termed a crusade.
It's actually
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 17:28:10 -0400,
Dave Jones da...@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 03:59:02PM -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I think the degree of slow down now, compared with the past, makes this
issue a bug. If things are like they are now, I won't be running debug
On 09/14/2011 02:57 PM, Andreas Osowski wrote:
Hello all,
sorry for this small hassle,
I was planning to answer Peter's last e-mail tomorrow as I was unable to do
so today.
@Peter: The update is the first thing on my todo list for tomorrow together
with a rebuild of mumble for F16
On 09/14/2011 10:32 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
I'd like to note that Toshio (abadger1999 on IRC) did in fact not say
this. It was someone else answering them.
Oh no he would never in fact Toshio has been one of the more helpful
person to me always and he is one of the person I look for inspiration
Greetings.
In some of the recent discussions of issues with the current updates
policy, one idea that was suggested was to try and get proventesters to
meet up say once a week. This would allow us to discuss and look at
pending critical path updates that need testing or security updates or
other
On Wed, 2011-09-14 at 09:05 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
and force
a switch to systemd at the same time and then force the users to
upgrade again to F16 as soon as possible to get systemd updated
is simply the wrong way
I agree!
other piece of email :
And FYI to all those that gloriously
On 09/15/2011 12:19 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Greetings.
In some of the recent discussions of issues with the current
updates policy, one idea that was suggested was to try and get
proventesters to meet up say once a week. This would allow us to
discuss and look at pending critical path
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
The context for this question can be found here:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt-maint/2011-March/002289.html
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=679179
What I'm not fine with is that
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
The context for this question can be found here:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/virt-maint/2011-March/002289.html
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
The context for this question can be found here:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:12 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
nathan...@natemccallum.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nathaniel McCallum
On Wed, 14.09.11 01:03, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hi
2011/9/13 Tom Lane t...@redhat.com:
(This isn't new with 9.1, btw --- the last version or so of 9.0
for F16 was the same, since we switched over to native systemd
files.)
I used this service file on F15 and it
So, I gather no one can shed some light on this? anyone? bueller?
The bug (point #2) doesn't really stop the plugin from working, but it is
annoying.
Any help would be much appreciated
On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 01:03:24PM -0700, Jorge Gallegos wrote:
(to both cloud@ and devel@)
I was
On 09/14/2011 06:23 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ralf Corsepiusrc040...@freenet.de wrote:
My netbook boots up F14 in ca. 60 secs, while F15 boots up in 62 secs.
I'd call this below measurement accuracy.
What kind of disk is that?
It's ca. 3 years old WD Scorpio Blue
commit 4ba6f339a41970b71c2554b01951466147e7ba32
Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com
Date: Tue Sep 13 18:15:04 2011 +0200
Rebuild against Perl 5.14
perl-HTML-FormatText-WithLinks-AndTables.spec |5 -
1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)
---
diff --git
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
On i386:
perl-Pugs-Compiler-Rule-0.37-9.fc16.noarch requires
perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.12.3)
Please resolve this as soon
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