Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Reindl Harald wrote: oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates Yeah, this is a really insane feature! Let me assure you that this feature is only

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jan Kratochvil wrote: From what I have reports even Fedora 32-bit does not boot on such machines because nobody tests the bleeding edge Fedora kernels on such obsolete hardware. FYI, kernel-3.7.3-101.fc17.i686 runs fine on a Pentium 4 Northwood (which predates EM64T, i.e. what's now known as

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
James Hogarth wrote: Right now there's no roadmap for 4.0 - no milestone dates, alpha dates or beta dates... The best that exists for this is a nightly snapshot from trunk covered in caveats about how unstable it's likely to be. The openoffice.org wiki doesn't even mention 3.4 much less

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Apache OpenOffice

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jef Spaleta wrote: yum info dpkg That dpkg package is there only for tools like debootstrap or alien to work, not as an alternative to RPM. Kevin Kofler -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: It's an *initial* state, not a never-changing one. When I first decided I was going to try Linux, I wanted to try Linux. I wanted exactly what our download page gives you - a simple link to a thing called Linux I could download and fiddle with. I'm not sure I wanted my

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Debarshi Ray wrote: I know this applies, but installing gnome-shell pulls in gdm. I.e. removing gdm without removing gnone-shell is not possible. Because gnome-shell (running in a special mode) is nowadays the greeter used by GDM. That does not mean GDM won't let you log into KDE if you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Debarshi Ray wrote: Keep in mind that to get to the point of installing an alternative-only DE, in current Fedora, you normally first have a full blown Gnome3 installed, which is close to impossible to get rid of. [citation needed] There's no straightforward way to remove GNOME: yum

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: ...but as Rahul said, they all allow you to log in to any desktop. There seems to be a meme in this thread that GDM does not, but that's not correct, it does. The choice is not visible unless you actually have multiple desktops installed, but when you do, it gives you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
drago01 wrote: There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want to mess up with packages). Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks (install, apply, confirm dependencies if any), enter your root password and the app is there. How do you

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 02:59 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: , but since you started it: OpenSUSE is doing just fine doing exactly what I suggest (making people actually pick their download). Their download button actually points to a selector, not directly to an ISO.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Alec Leamas wrote: On 2013-02-05 21:46, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You ordered Gnome and have been served Pizza for a long time - now you're being served Burgers :-) Well, from a nutrition perspective that's actually a big step forward. Perhaps time to trust the chef? ;) Huh? A plain cheese

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Replace MySQL with MariaDB

2013-02-09 Thread Remi Collet
Le 25/01/2013 19:46, Norvald Ryeng a écrit : We'll try to do better in the future. So I will also try to work better, and so will report the annoying packaging bugs. MySQL Workbench 5.2.46 is released, so Connector/C++ http://bugs.mysql.com/68320 Missing option for library

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rave it wrote: There is a current poll at fedora forum. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463 The winner is... There are several factors which bias this poll: * GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users will be using it, merely due to the fact that

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jochen Schmitt wrote: Odd question, AFAIK I have understood the wiki page for this feature offline updates woriking only, if you are have running a GUI on your system. For a servere without a GuI offline update is not realize. It is actually only implemented in gnome-packagekit. Current Apper

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: More Mobile Broadband

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Toshio Kuratomi wrote: In Scope I see KDE's networking layers likely require an update to use the new API, as will any other direct client of ModemManager. However, the functionality that most networking applets require from ModemManager is fairly simple, Ouch, good that you noticed that. So

Re: Mass Rebuild for Fedora 19

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dennis Gilmore wrote: Additionally we will be mass patching config.guess and config.sub to support aarch64 in preperation for 64 bit arm support Ugh, this really shows how bundled autocrap sucks! How are you going to determine the packages that need patching? Anything running autoreconf,

Re: Request for a firewalld secondary DHCP + PXEBOOT HOWTO

2013-02-09 Thread Aaron Gray
On 7 February 2013 16:41, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.comwrote: On 02/07/2013 04:23 PM, Aaron Gray wrote: Can someone who knows firewalld please do a HOWTO to on setting up a secondary DHCP with DNS and HTTPS access for PXEBOOTing of Fedora18 please to go with the PXEBOOT HOWTO :-

Re: Package shipping their own CA and security

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Scherer wrote: Le vendredi 08 février 2013 à 16:54 +0100, Miloslav Trmač a écrit : That's quite a few :( Don't forget about other formats - .der, .p12 at least; possibly also the native NSS and Java formats. I will add .dev and .p12. For the native formats, I am not a certificate

Re: Mass Rebuild for Fedora 19

2013-02-09 Thread Peter Robinson
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Dennis Gilmore wrote: Additionally we will be mass patching config.guess and config.sub to support aarch64 in preperation for 64 bit arm support Ugh, this really shows how bundled autocrap sucks! How are you going

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi Kevin, On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 11:09:15 +0100 Kevin Kofler wrote: There are several factors which bias this poll: * GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so of course more Fedora users will be using it, merely due to the fact that it is the default. * Some people actually left Fedora over GNOME

Re: Mass Rebuild for Fedora 19

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: Nor should anything that's run their make dist tarball process with the latest tools. Jon Masters was going to confirm if anything was needed for cmake and any other non autotools build tools too. If any CMake support is needed, it will be only in the system cmake package

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada wrote: That's the first time I've seen XFCE win over GNOME, LOL. It shouldn't be, it was the same last year (and I had already posted the link back then). :-)

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Ian Malone
On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's target audience, though it *does* have some intersection. Many of those are

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:09 +0100, Kevin Kofler a écrit : Rave it wrote: There is a current poll at fedora forum. http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=284463 The winner is... There are several factors which bias this poll: * GNOME 3 is the default in Fedora, so

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: * Gnome 3 is going the I-know-better-then-you-what's-good-for-you way. Sure by giving you an extension system that allows you to do whatever you want with the desktop Is anyone doing that?

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Michael Scherer
Le samedi 09 février 2013 à 11:34 +, Ian Malone a écrit : On 9 February 2013 00:37, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com wrote: * Gnome 3's target audience does not enclose majority of Gnome 2's target

Re: how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-02-09 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2013-02-08 at 10:08 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: On 02/05/2013 07:43 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Any advises or opinions ? I think you haven't yet described the original problem you're trying to solve. Hi, When we install VirtualBox from rpmfusion , I'd like create /dev/vboxusb

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original statement, namely that there is a completely

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:21:49PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: I stand by my statement that this was a very awkward moment, with Vincent and the GNOME team radiating unhappiness and pretty much everyone else being perplexed and wondering whether they should take offence at being accused of

Newrepo for F-19 hanging?

2013-02-09 Thread Mamoru TASAKA
Hello: Can someone investigate F-19 newrepo below? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4939667 It seems that this task was created at Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:00:33 UTC (more than 17 hours ago) and has not completed yet. Regards, Mamoru -- devel mailing list

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Scherer wrote: Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone. And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent Untz talk also said the same, see gnome people to see the details ).

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-09 Thread drago01
On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OfflineSystemUpdates Yeah, this

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Scherer wrote: Well, a majority of people think such polls are useless, Do you have a poll to prove that? ;-) Seriously, the only thing more inaccurate than statistic is MADE UP statistics. :-/ 1) 792 people. Just to compare, there is 300 people on #fedora-devel on irc, and 800 on

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 03:46:57PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Michael Scherer wrote: Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone. And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent

Re: Newrepo for F-19 hanging?

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 23:42:10 +0900 Mamoru TASAKA mtas...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hello: Can someone investigate F-19 newrepo below? http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=4939667 It seems that this task was created at Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:00:33 UTC (more than 17 hours ago) and

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Fedora Upgrade - using yum

2013-02-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.02.2013 15:52, schrieb drago01: On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: oh even if people like i did some hundret dist-upgrades over the years it was us told that linux has to go the windows way:

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sat, 2013-02-09 at 15:01 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit : On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote: I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts

Re: fedpkg: Change in git push method?

2013-02-09 Thread Michael J Gruber
Josh Boyer venit, vidit, dixit 08.02.2013 18:56: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Thomas Moschny thomas.mosc...@gmail.com wrote: 2013/2/8 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com: Yes, but fedpkg is currently relying on the existing git default, which is matching. That is changing upstream in git, so

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: The only thing I can think of is that people turning their back on you, not looking at you when you are asked to raise your hand on something they worked on, this might be intimidating to some people. I was not one of these,

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-09 Thread Olav Vitters
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:22:41AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: drago01 wrote: There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want to mess up with packages). Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks (install, apply, confirm dependencies

[Heads Up][Boost] Build of dependent packages before the massive rebuild

2013-02-09 Thread Denis Arnaud
Hi! AFAIK, the next massive rebuild is scheduled for the 12th February, 2013. Moreover, as you may know, Boost-1.53.0 has been successfully built already (thanks to Petr!) on Koji: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=382788 So, as a few of you have already suggested, it may be a

Gnome-shell workspaces (Was Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop)

2013-02-09 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 02/09/2013 03:34 AM, Ian Malone wrote: 1. I no longer use workspaces to manage different tasks unless there are lots of windows and then I sometimes overflow onto 2. This is because they're less useful as you now can't switch without going to the activities view and they aren't segregated

Re: Package shipping their own CA and security

2013-02-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2013-02-08, 17:42 GMT, Michael Scherer wrote: Of course, when i mean ban all, I mean unless exceptions. And finding those potential exceptions is also one reason to have this thread :) I will try to take a look at gajim ... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/909625 Matěj -- devel mailing list

Re: [Heads Up][Boost] Build of dependent packages before the massive rebuild

2013-02-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 20:26:04 +0100 Denis Arnaud denis.arnaud_fed...@m4x.org wrote: Hi! AFAIK, the next massive rebuild is scheduled for the 12th February, 2013. Moreover, as you may know, Boost-1.53.0 has been successfully built already (thanks to Petr!) on Koji:

[perl-Mail-Procmail] fixed up the patch

2013-02-09 Thread Steven Roberts
commit 427e0fd7a129f75924c5064b30d01428f3cf781e Author: Steven Roberts strob...@strobe.net Date: Sat Feb 9 00:01:42 2013 -0800 fixed up the patch perl-Mail-Procmail.spec |2 +- pm_report.patch | 10 +++--- 2 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-) --- diff --git

[perl-Mail-Procmail/f18] (5 commits) ...fixed up the patch

2013-02-09 Thread Steven Roberts
Summary of changes: ca80ece... initial post review (*) 0fcc673... . (*) b782532... some spec cleanup (*) 7c01e73... Added pm_report patch from rt.cpan.org #83152 (*) 427e0fd... fixed up the patch (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora

[perl-Mail-Procmail/f17] (5 commits) ...fixed up the patch

2013-02-09 Thread Steven Roberts
Summary of changes: ca80ece... initial post review (*) 0fcc673... . (*) b782532... some spec cleanup (*) 7c01e73... Added pm_report patch from rt.cpan.org #83152 (*) 427e0fd... fixed up the patch (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora

[perl-Mail-Procmail/el5] (5 commits) ...fixed up the patch

2013-02-09 Thread Steven Roberts
Summary of changes: ca80ece... initial post review (*) 0fcc673... . (*) b782532... some spec cleanup (*) 7c01e73... Added pm_report patch from rt.cpan.org #83152 (*) 427e0fd... fixed up the patch (*) (*) This commit already existed in another branch; no separate mail sent -- Fedora

[Bug 909136] abi-compliance-checker-1.98.8 is available

2013-02-09 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=909136 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- Package abi-compliance-checker-1.98.8-1.fc17: * should fix your issue, * was pushed to the Fedora 17 testing repository, * should be available at your local

Broken dependencies: perl-Authen-Simple

2013-02-09 Thread buildsys
perl-Authen-Simple has broken dependencies in the epel-6 tree: On ppc64: perl-Authen-Simple-0.4-5.el6.noarch requires perl(Crypt::PasswdMD5) Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list

Broken dependencies: perl-WWW-GoodData

2013-02-09 Thread buildsys
perl-WWW-GoodData has broken dependencies in the epel-5 tree: On ppc: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 On i386: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora

Broken dependencies: perl-WWW-GoodData

2013-02-09 Thread buildsys
perl-WWW-GoodData has broken dependencies in the epel-5 tree: On ppc: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 On i386: perl-WWW-GoodData-1.6-1.el5.noarch requires perl(Getopt::Long) = 0:2.36 Please resolve this as soon as possible. -- Fedora