Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/08/2013 01:39 PM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Gnome3 and Gnome2's GUI working principles are entirely different and therefore are catering the demands of different target audiences. Citation needed for implication is

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/09/2013 12:39 PM, Michael Scherer wrote: 2) if the fedora forums poll is biased due to default to gnome 3, then why isn't unity being more represented in the linuxquestion poll ? When talking to Ubuntu users, they are telling Unity is as biasing as Gnome3. Is it because : - Unity, by

Add a spec template in rpmdevtools

2013-02-12 Thread Casper
Hi folks, 8 months ago I opened a ticket on rpmdevtools track to request the integration of a spec template. 5 months later without any response, someone made a ping on the ticket, but there was no response for now. https://fedorahosted.org/rpmdevtools/ticket/20 So my question is: Is there any

[perl-YAML-LibYAML] Update to 0.39

2013-02-12 Thread Paul Howarth
commit 0b7d2f5f1520782c5ba5839a5a6d3b55349a5468 Author: Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org Date: Tue Feb 12 09:48:52 2013 + Update to 0.39 - New upstream release 0.39: - Using the latest libyaml codebase (https://github.com/yaml/libyaml/tree/perl-yaml-xs) -

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 15:03 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: This has been addressed various times. In brief: Advanced buttons do not work. They'll be clicked every time. Tweak tool provides a different guarantee of stability. For instance: if you change an option in System

Re: Add a spec template in rpmdevtools

2013-02-12 Thread Simone Caronni
Hello, On 12 February 2013 07:18, Casper fan...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi folks, 8 months ago I opened a ticket on rpmdevtools track to request the integration of a spec template. 5 months later without any response, someone made a ping on the ticket, but there was no response for now.

Re: Mass Rebuild for Fedora 19

2013-02-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:33:51PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: ... and also anything that doesn't have config.guess/config.sub, which appears to be a lot of my packages for some reason. IIRC these files are only used/needed for cross-compiles aren't they? I realize I was doing it wrong:

[perl-YAML-LibYAML] Created tag perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.39-1.fc19

2013-02-12 Thread Paul Howarth
The lightweight tag 'perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.39-1.fc19' was created pointing to: 0b7d2f5... Update to 0.39 -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 February 2013 22:24, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Ian Malone wrote: On record? Is there going to be a trial? What frustrates me is it's such an uphill battle. Step 1: Everything changes. Step 2: Users protest, some leave. Step 3: Supporters respond there's nothing wrong

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Usermode Migration

2013-02-12 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: Is it possible to configure utilities with the equivalent of UGROUPS=wheel without per-application javascript policy? Currently, we do this with /etc/security/console.apps/config-util. As I

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Usermode Migration

2013-02-12 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: These days, most privileged system operations are already controlled by polkit, a well-established (I'll just briefly note how much polkit has changed since then...) For directly

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-12 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 02/06/2013 12:02 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: There is even a documented way for a package to stop its services, before it gets updated, and restart it, after the update, see /var/lib/rpm-state Can you point me to such documentation, please? I found only

Temperature.app orphan -new ownership reg

2013-02-12 Thread Richard Vijay
Hi Devel team I would like to talk up ownership for Temperature.app (devel/f18) I am trying to reach out to previous maintainers/owners/change commits contacts. Thanks and regards Richard Vijay Ambassador Beats Editor IRC: fedora_richie pub 2048R/6528562A 2011-11-27

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 08:07:23AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 02/08/2013 01:39 PM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: Gnome3 and Gnome2's GUI working principles are entirely different and therefore are catering the demands of

Re: Add a spec template in rpmdevtools

2013-02-12 Thread Casper
Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 11:08 +0100, Simone Caronni a écrit : Hello, The situation is already much better: rpmdev-newinit rpmdev-newspec cpanspec Examples: $ rpmdev-newspec -m -r 4.5 -o package.spec Generates a spec file with all the tags required for RHEL 5 systems; while

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:18:09PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: I don't get why you reply to me. It seems anything people do is just bad. No tweak tool: bad A tweak tool: bad Strawman… What I actually mean is: Completely hidden or absent settings (no tweak

Re: Gnome-shell workspaces

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:20:04PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Olav Vitters wrote: PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweak_UI It was written by one individual employee and released as an unsupported tool. It'd have been a third-party tool if the author didn't happen to be an M$ employee.

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote: In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-02-12 Thread Matt Domsch
On Thu, Feb 07, 2013 at 09:22:40PM -0600, Kay Sievers wrote: On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 7:12 AM, Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com wrote: We will need a method to enable/disable on a per-vendor basis as we added to RHEL in the udev rules that invoke (or don't) biosdevname. The

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-12 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 05.02.2013 13:21, Reindl Harald wrote: the whole discussion abiut offline updates and why yum is not so good for dist-upgrades is from the wrong point of view, most of the problems are only existing because with each release working things are mangeled actual example:

Re: [soundtracker/f18] (2 commits) ...Correct desktop file install error

2013-02-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:25:47AM +0100, Brendan Jones wrote: On 02/11/2013 10:16 AM, Mamoru TASAKA wrote: Brendan Jones wrote, at 02/11/2013 05:22 PM +9:00: Summary of changes: faf3146... Remove vendor from desktop file (*) 330426b... Correct desktop file install error (*) (*)

Proposed F19 Feature: Scala 2.10

2013-02-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This Feature has been submitted *before* Feature Submission Deadline and it required input/changes from the owner or was queued. = Features/Scala210 = https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Scala210 Feature owner(s): Jochen Schmitt joc...@herr-schmitt.de Providing the most current relase of

Re: the need of Offline Updates

2013-02-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.02.2013 13:52, schrieb Miroslav Suchý: On 02/06/2013 12:02 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: There is even a documented way for a package to stop its services, before it gets updated, and restart it, after the update, see /var/lib/rpm-state the point is that i NEVER EVER want to stop any

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.02.2013 15:47, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote: In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give up on a

Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-02-12 Thread Honza Horak
Hi folks, I'd like to share an idea related to MySQL-MariaDB move, that may be a bit controversial. Speaking about default case in Fedora, MySQL has used only one file at /etc/my.cnf to configure server, libraries, command-line utilities, etc. MariaDB uses by default /etc/my.cnf and

Re: Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-02-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.02.2013 18:46, schrieb Honza Horak: I'd like to share an idea related to MySQL-MariaDB move, that may be a bit controversial. Speaking about default case in Fedora, MySQL has used only one file at /etc/my.cnf to configure server, libraries, command-line utilities, etc. MariaDB

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: Cinnamon as Default Desktop

2013-02-12 Thread Olav Vitters
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 03:50:56PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 12.02.2013 15:47, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters: On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote: In the end,

ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
Heya, since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire it entirely from the distribution now. Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are cdm, lightdm, lxsession, lxdm. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_remove_a_package_at_end_of_life This page doesn't say anything about

Re: Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-02-12 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 06:46:28PM +0100, Honza Horak wrote: Hi folks, I'd like to share an idea related to MySQL-MariaDB move, that may be a bit controversial. Speaking about default case in Fedora, MySQL has used only one file at /etc/my.cnf to configure server, libraries, command-line

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: Heya, since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire it entirely from the distribution now. Most deps on CK are gone. Holdouts are cdm, lightdm, lxsession, lxdm.

File Wx-0.9917.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by spot

2013-02-12 Thread Tom Callaway
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Wx: 0d398d4c78c86267440ac58d52dc64db Wx-0.9917.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Wx] 0.9917

2013-02-12 Thread Tom Callaway
commit 0a6e8b0cfc949dff4d9d8e8fdc8bcb9e56afefe5 Author: Tom Callaway s...@fedoraproject.org Date: Tue Feb 12 13:49:07 2013 -0500 0.9917 .gitignore |1 + perl-Wx.spec |5 - sources |2 +- 3 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git a/.gitignore

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: Heya, since a while now logind has replaced CK in Fedora. I'd like to retire it entirely from the distribution now. Most deps on CK are

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: Heya, since a while now logind has replaced CK in

Re: Add a spec template in rpmdevtools

2013-02-12 Thread Ville Skyttä
On 2013-02-12 08:18, Casper wrote: So my question is: Is there any living developper of rpmdevtools, I'm alive, but haven't been doing much at all wrt rpmdevtools lately. just to add one file in the git repo ?... I'm afraid it's not quite that simple. -- devel mailing list

Re: Should MariaDB touch my.cnf in %post?

2013-02-12 Thread Sergei Golubchik
Hi! On Feb 12, Honza Horak wrote: grep -q '!includedir /etc/my.cnf.d' /etc/my.cnf || \ (echo; echo '!includedir /etc/my.cnf.d') /etc/my.cnf Thanks for that idea. It would work, but honestly I'm not sure if we want touch my.cnf during update. I've shared this idea with other fedora

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo Meeting (2013-02-13)

2013-02-12 Thread Marcela Mašláňová
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Wednesday at 18:00UTC (1:00pm EST, 19:00 CET) in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic #896 Refine feature process

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Peter Robinson
On 12 Feb 2013 19:53, Jon Ciesla limburg...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Tue, 12.02.13 12:38, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote:

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: I'd also like to retire esound finally. Currently, adplay, ayttm, dopewars, e16, gnome-libs, gnubg, lxdream, moon-buggy, spacechart, xarchon, xmms-esd still use it. Most of these projects if not all are dead upstream but for now, I

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
xfce4-session still wants to use ConsoleKit, however, there are upstream patches to fix that. I was waiting for a release to happen with them, but I can pick them in before them if need be. kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Kevin Kofler
Peter Robinson wrote: In the case of esound I think we're better killing them because I suspect in all cases the packages are either: - optional packages better served by either native PA or alsa support in other sub/related packages - disable the esd support and just use the native alsa/oss

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 12.02.13 13:52, Jon Ciesla (limburg...@gmail.com) wrote: So to clarify, you're not actually retiring anything currently, just expressing to the community that you'd like to and that we should work toward making that possible? Well, I am just checking before I do something

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:51 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: OK, if that's what you want. I have now orphaned esound. Please take it over. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910600 spacechart https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910601 xmms It is

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Tue, 12.02.13 18:22, Rahul Sundaram (methe...@gmail.com) wrote: OK, if that's what you want. I have now orphaned esound. Please take it over. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910600 spacechart https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910601 xmms It is not clear why

Re: Add a spec template in rpmdevtools

2013-02-12 Thread Casper
Le mardi 12 février 2013 à 22:06 +0200, Ville Skyttä a écrit : On 2013-02-12 08:18, Casper wrote: So my question is: Is there any living developper of rpmdevtools, I'm alive, but haven't been doing much at all wrt rpmdevtools lately. just to add one file in the git repo ?... I'm

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 00:26:28 +0100, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? Both Debian and Gentoo killed it years ago... And I though those were the conservative distributions... I wanted to keep it in Fedora a little bit longer since I have

Re: Proposed F19 Feature: systemd/udev Predictable Network Interface Names

2013-02-12 Thread Kay Sievers
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Matt Domsch matt_dom...@dell.com wrote: I am concerned about the naming convention at installtime. The current proposal removes biosdevname from comps @core as mandatory, and I presume would also remove it from the anaconda install environment as well. This

Re: how reload udev rules and systemd on F18

2013-02-12 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 09.02.13 13:18, Sérgio Basto (ser...@serjux.com) wrote: On Sex, 2013-02-08 at 10:08 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: On 02/05/2013 07:43 PM, Sérgio Basto wrote: Any advises or opinions ? I think you haven't yet described the original problem you're trying to solve. Hi,

Re: ConsoleKit and esound retirement

2013-02-12 Thread DJ Delorie
Hmm, we still have xmms in the repo? /me is very glad we still have xmms in the repo -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

File YAML-LibYAML-0.39.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by pghmcfc

2013-02-12 Thread Paul Howarth
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-YAML-LibYAML: 03dda291205c13f0cee8baac022056f7 YAML-LibYAML-0.39.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

File Net-SSH2-0.47.tar.gz uploaded to lookaside cache by psabata

2013-02-12 Thread Petr Šabata
A file has been added to the lookaside cache for perl-Net-SSH2: 4a2d2ff7f20a8e940ab238e7bb3879f6 Net-SSH2-0.47.tar.gz -- Fedora Extras Perl SIG http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SIGs/Perl perl-devel mailing list perl-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org

[perl-Net-SSH2] 0.47 bump

2013-02-12 Thread Petr Šabata
commit ffa9dc7fc71812e66e9f53a6d9cbd5daa5b26bb3 Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 12 16:39:06 2013 +0100 0.47 bump .gitignore |1 + Net-SSH2-0.47-op-priority.patch | 22 ++ perl-Net-SSH2.spec | 31

[perl-Net-SSH2/el6] Fix the operator precedence (rt#80065, rhbz#864102)

2013-02-12 Thread Petr Šabata
commit 45e583d077eba884825e3c74858a76e4b0ee450b Author: Petr Šabata con...@redhat.com Date: Tue Feb 12 17:01:15 2013 +0100 Fix the operator precedence (rt#80065, rhbz#864102) Net-SSH2-0.47-op-priority.patch | 22 ++ perl-Net-SSH2.spec |7 ++- 2

[Bug 910272] New: perl-Growl-GNTP-0.17 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910272 Bug ID: 910272 Summary: perl-Growl-GNTP-0.17 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Growl-GNTP Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 910278] New: perl-Wx-0.9917 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910278 Bug ID: 910278 Summary: perl-Wx-0.9917 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-Wx Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged Severity:

[Bug 910279] New: perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.39 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910279 Bug ID: 910279 Summary: perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.39 is available Product: Fedora Version: rawhide Component: perl-YAML-LibYAML Keywords: FutureFeature, Triaged

[Bug 864102] Bad precedence in library version check

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864102 --- Comment #1 from Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com --- I've just pushed this to Rawhide with the 0.47 update. The el6 build will be available shortly. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the

[Bug 864102] Bad precedence in library version check

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864102 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW

[Bug 909913] perl-Net-SSH2-0.47 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=909913 Petr Šabata psab...@redhat.com changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED

[Bug 910279] perl-YAML-LibYAML-0.39 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=910279 Paul Howarth p...@city-fan.org changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |CLOSED

[Bug 864102] Bad precedence in library version check

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora EPEL https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=864102 --- Comment #2 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Net-SSH2-0.45-3.el6 has been submitted as an update for Fedora EPEL 6. https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/perl-Net-SSH2-0.45-3.el6 -- You are

[Bug 907124] perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026 is available

2013-02-12 Thread bugzilla
Product: Fedora https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=907124 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System upda...@fedoraproject.org --- perl-Regexp-Grammars-1.026-1.fc17 has been pushed to the Fedora 17 stable repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report.