Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 05:10:17PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:47:35AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > > Bad idea (says someone who owns 150 packages). I don't feel like > > getting 150 bugzilla mails and having to (mass) close them each > > release. > > OK; add a fedora-p

libsemanage : does not adhere to Static Library Packaging Guidelines

2010-01-16 Thread Carl Gaudreault
Hey, can someone take a look at this bug report on Bugzilla ? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556073 Carl Quoted from Michael Schwendt : The package is in need of an update because it does not adhere to the guidelines for packaging static libraries: http://fedoraproject.org/wik

libxklavier bump

2010-01-16 Thread Matthias Clasen
I am going to build libxklavier 5.0 in rawhide, which bumps the soname, and also contains a small api change. The following packages will have to be rebuilt: gnome-settings-daemon gdm control-center kdebase-workspace libgnomekbd gnome-applets xfce4-xkb-plugin gnome-screensaver python-xklavier xfce

Re: Any takers for gpsdrive ?

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:46:27 -0700, Kevin wrote: > Greetings. > > I'd like to find some folks interested in co-maintaining or just fully > maintaining gpsdrive. It's a nifty gps app that lets you download maps > and follow progress and publish your location. > > This package requires a good bi

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:47:35AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Bad idea (says someone who owns 150 packages). I don't feel like > getting 150 bugzilla mails and having to (mass) close them each > release. OK; add a fedora-packager script that mass-closes bugs; or use the bugzilla web interface t

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/16/2010 03:50 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> It's a more fundamental problem, though. The AWOL-process is for people, >> not for packages. The people may still be active (and even known to be >> active somewhere) and not AWOL

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 22:25 +0100 schrieb Ola Thoresen: > Have a look at this bug for instance: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=531343 > It was closed two months ago as "WORKSFORME", still ABRT adds more and > more users to the Cc-list. > > Obviously something is not wo

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Ola Thoresen
Have a look at this bug for instance: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_activity.cgi?id=531343 It was closed two months ago as "WORKSFORME", still ABRT adds more and more users to the Cc-list. Obviously something is not working for someone, but ABRT seems to ignore the fact that the bug is closed

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:09:46 -0500, Tom wrote: > Note: I haven't seen the submitter's end of ABRT yet, just the bug > reports. Maybe it does ask for more info ... Sort of. The final dialogue contains two text edit areas below the summary of what will be sent: http://mschwendt.fedorapeople.org/

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 10:59 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > You know we have a procedure for this it is called the awol maintainer > procedure and it would be nice if FESco would follow its on procedures > here. > > Ah well I guess the rules don't apply to those who make them :( > > The non-respo

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 11:08 +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > Simply blocking the ones which FTBFS bugs were not > fixed from F-13 inclusion would have been the appropriate response > (as documented in our procedures), not > some adhoc almost random response. We are blocking them. Every release we r

Re: Globally-visible executables with parallel python 2 and python 3 stacks

2010-01-16 Thread Jesse Keating
On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 13:09 -0500, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:45:24PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > > > But what's the benefit of alternatives for this? Is the intent to provide > > sysadmins a way to change which python version of an app would be the > > system > > d

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Tom Lane
Christoph Wickert writes: > I know that APRT is still very young technology, but after 2 months it's > time for a interim conclusion [ to wit, it sucks ] Yes. The primary problem I'm seeing is that even when it gives you a useful backtrace, the bug report consists *only* of the backtrace, which

Any takers for gpsdrive ?

2010-01-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Greetings. I'd like to find some folks interested in co-maintaining or just fully maintaining gpsdrive. It's a nifty gps app that lets you download maps and follow progress and publish your location. This package requires a good bit of work, and I just haven't had the time to sit down and poke

Re: orphaning some packages

2010-01-16 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! 2010/1/13 Jesus Bustos : > Hi There > > > I am also happy to help with any of the three packages or co-maintain the > three. You're welcome too. Actually, nagios is a very valuable for community tool, so i think it's a generally good idea to have many trustees here. -- With best re

Re: orphaning some packages

2010-01-16 Thread Peter Lemenkov
Hello All! 2010/1/13 Peter Robinson : >> I can take nagios and nagios-plugins. Anyone else volunteering? Ok, I just added myself as a maintainer. > I'm quite happy to be a co-maintainer of all of the above. Peter, you're welcome :) -- With best regards, Peter Lemenkov. -- devel mailing lis

Re: Globally-visible executables with parallel python 2 and python 3 stacks

2010-01-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 12:45:24PM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > But what's the benefit of alternatives for this? Is the intent to provide > sysadmins a way to change which python version of an app would be the system > default? > > If not, why not just pick what we want to be the default for

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:13:32 +0100 Michael Schwendt wrote: > It's a more fundamental problem, though. The AWOL-process is for > people, not for packages. The people may still be active (and even > known to be active somewhere) and not AWOL, but the packages which > are assigned to them would stil

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:08:30 +0100 Hans de Goede wrote: > I don't see who the orphaning without following proper procedure is > appropriate at all. Simply blocking the ones which FTBFS bugs were not > fixed from F-13 inclusion would have been the appropriate response > (as documented in our proce

Re: ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Christoph Höger
Am Samstag, den 16.01.2010, 16:01 +0100 schrieb Christoph Wickert: > I know that APRT is still very young technology, but after 2 months it's > time for a interim conclusion. For me the conclusions are: > > Pro: > > * abrt is a help for developers: I received one positive feedback >

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:39:54 +0100 Till Maas wrote: > > Indeed. I don't see much activity from them. > > Have you tried sending them an email? > > If not, I can. > > No, please go ahead. I took the liberty right after I posted. (Hopefully Ian doesn't mind me passing this along:) Ian Burre

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:12:03AM +0100, Hans de Goede wrote: > > >> widelands-0-0.13.Build13.fc11.src.rpm > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511430 > >> xpilot-ng-4.7.2-16.fc11.src.rpm > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511717 > > Ah, how nice, these 2 are orphaned

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:39:17PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 05:13:29AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > On 01/15/2010 08:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > Unfortunately, this has proven to be hard/impossible so far. > > > > >> perl-Class-InsideOut-1.09-2.fc11.src.rpm > > >>

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 08:50:14AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > With nobody handling the incoming bugzilla tickets. With some bug > > reports having been killed in an automated way at dist EOL. And > > worse if it turns out that

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 05:13:29AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> perl-Class-InsideOut-1.09-2.fc11.src.rpm > >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=539136 > > I intended to take this one, but the packagedb doesn't offer me an > option to take it: > > C.f.: > https://admin.fedoraproje

Re: Proposed change to openmpi packaging

2010-01-16 Thread Doug Ledford
On 01/15/2010 01:37 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > On 01/15/2010 09:52 AM, Doug Ledford wrote: >> We are discussing the complete removal of pkgconfig support from openmpi >> (and never including it in mvapich and mvapich2 which are ready for >> Fedora package review submission). The proper way to in

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Kyle McMartin
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:17:28PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: > > unifdef-1.171-8.fc11.src.rpm > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=511553 i fixed this, but i think we should still remove it because it has been superceded by the superior sunifdef. regards, kyle -- devel mailing list d

Re: enlightenment 17 maintainer awol?

2010-01-16 Thread Pavel Shevchuk
Unfortunately, i haven't had spare time to spend on maintaining EFL/E17 for a while already, so i handed over maintainership to (back then) interested guthrie. It's pretty sad if he's also out of time =( On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Rudolf Kastl wrote: > E17 components are outdated since a wh

Re: OT: writing gobject-based plugins

2010-01-16 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 03:22:32PM +0100, Christoph H?ger wrote: > Hi, > > I am currently playing with gobject to learn some of this boilerplate > stuff. For my small application I'd like to be able to write plugins > that are derived from an abstract class. Not answering you main question, but d

ABRT frustrating for users and developers

2010-01-16 Thread Christoph Wickert
I know that APRT is still very young technology, but after 2 months it's time for a interim conclusion. For me the conclusions are: Pro: * abrt is a help for developers: I received one positive feedback from a developer: The backtrace looks "interesting" but cannot be fixed

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > It's a more fundamental problem, though. The AWOL-process is for people, > not for packages. The people may still be active (and even known to be > active somewhere) and not AWOL, but the packages which are assigned to > them would

OT: writing gobject-based plugins

2010-01-16 Thread Christoph Höger
Hi, I am currently playing with gobject to learn some of this boilerplate stuff. For my small application I'd like to be able to write plugins that are derived from an abstract class. I can enumerate those plugins with g_type_children(), but only after they have been instantiated. Is there a way

Re: Desktop categories

2010-01-16 Thread Alain Portal
Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 06:41:36, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 04:03 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: > > > Because we don't set up Fedora's menu structure to have submenus, at > > > present. > > > > These submenus existed on FC6!!! > > I can provide photographies (not screenshots)

Re: Desktop categories

2010-01-16 Thread Alain Portal
Hi, Le samedi 16 janvier 2010 11:17:42, Hans de Goede a écrit : > >> Why I get no submenu in the Utility menu? > >> > >> Pourtant... > >> > >> cat /usr/share/applications/kde4/kcalc.desktop | grep Categories > >> Categories=Qt;KDE;Utility;X-KDE-Utilities-Desktop; > >> > >> cat /usr/share/applicat

Re: RawTherapee now GPLv3 -- anyone else interested?

2010-01-16 Thread Thomas Spura
Am Freitag, den 15.01.2010, 23:22 -0500 schrieb Matthew Miller: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 03:36:42PM +0100, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: > > I had attempted to package it, since it would be probably of interest > > for the Design Suite, but building currently fails due to [1]. I'm not > > sure wheth

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:59:56 +0100, Hans wrote: > On 01/15/2010 09:01 PM, Till Maas wrote: > > > > What about the other packages of these maintainers? E.g. in the > > recordmydesktop case, there were four bugs open with working patches > > attached for that package. I did not yet check the other p

Re: Globally-visible executables with parallel python 2 and python 3 stacks

2010-01-16 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Saturday 16 January 2010, Till Maas wrote: > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:14:53AM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > > On Friday 15 January 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > Alternatives is system wide, but it can be per application. > > > > Per application alternatives, as in alternatives(8)? How? > >

Re: Desktop categories

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/16/2010 02:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2010-01-16 at 02:25 +0100, Alain Portal wrote: > Putain ! Mais c'est pas possible ! C'est à se cogner la tête contre les murs !!! Un vrai dialogue de sourds... Please, is there a french speaking fedor

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/15/2010 08:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00:50AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >> The following 30 packages, with respective FTBFS bugs, have been open >> since the Fedora 11 time frame, and continue to fail to build. These >> are the oldest non-building packages in

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/16/2010 12:14 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 22:58 +0100, Till Maas wrote: >> But what about the other packages by these maintainers that do not fail >> to build but are probably as unmaintained as the packages that fail to >> build? >> > > Because this isn't a fully pr

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/15/2010 09:06 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 09:01:20PM +0100, Till Maas wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:17:28PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00:50AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: The following 30 packages, with respective FTBFS bugs, h

Re: Globally-visible executables with parallel python 2 and python 3 stacks

2010-01-16 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:14:53AM +0200, Ville Skyttä wrote: > On Friday 15 January 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > > > Alternatives is system wide, but it can be per application. > > Per application alternatives, as in alternatives(8)? How? If two versions of each application with different sheb

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi, On 01/15/2010 09:01 PM, Till Maas wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:17:28PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:00:50AM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote: >>> The following 30 packages, with respective FTBFS bugs, have been open >>> since the Fedora 11 time frame, and continue to

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Till Maas
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:13:32AM +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:13:29 +0100, Ralf wrote: > > > On 01/15/2010 08:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > > > At today's FESCo meeting, it was agreed that all the below packages > > > would be marked orphan. > > > > Well, if FESCO

Re: Desktop categories

2010-01-16 Thread Andrea Musuruane
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 4:03 AM, Alain Portal wrote: > As I show you in my previous message with the "cat" command, these > (sub)categories exits in each desktop file in F-12, but there isn't subsequent > submenu, as there are in FC-6 Alain, please, as I already told you, try adding games-menus a

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Till Maas
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 04:05:04PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:58:54 +0100 > Till Maas wrote: > > > perl-SVN-Mirror iburrell (fixed by Till Maas; spot says kill it) > > > perl-SVN-Simple iburrell > > > > There is a minor error: I fixed the -Simple package with a patch > >

Re: Globally-visible executables with parallel python 2 and python 3 stacks

2010-01-16 Thread Ville Skyttä
On Friday 15 January 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: > Alternatives is system wide, but it can be per application. Per application alternatives, as in alternatives(8)? How? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Orphaning Candidate packages for removal due to FTBFS, implications

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:13:29 +0100, Ralf wrote: > On 01/15/2010 08:17 PM, Matt Domsch wrote: > > > > At today's FESCo meeting, it was agreed that all the below packages > > would be marked orphan. > > Well, if FESCO thinks this was a good idea ... I think you guys stopped > half-ways: You better