Re: No preupgrade for F17-F18?, [Bug 872876] WONTFIX

2012-11-09 Thread drago01
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 10:01 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: List, cc Chris, I reported a bug after trying to use F17 to preupgrade to F18. It didn't work using Anaconda (I am aware Anaconda is a WIP) but I was

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 11/08/2012 03:10 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hmm, I now see there is a set -e at the beginning. Still a little scary.:-) Scary is only the idea. And only because we are not used to do rolling upgrades. Ask somebody from Debian experiance if this is scary ;) And honestly, if the upgrade

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread drago01
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 03:10 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hmm, I now see there is a set -e at the beginning. Still a little scary.:-) Scary is only the idea. And only because we are not used to do rolling upgrades. Ask somebody

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 02:15 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: I'd put things more strongly than Bill: what's been happening in anaconda lately is the precise opposite of what Johann suggests, and that's exactly the right direction. I question if that's the right direction since I cant for the love of me

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2012-11-09, 07:43 GMT, Adam Williamson wrote: It hasn't really 'skyrocketed'. We cited 512MB for several releases, bumped it to 768MB for F15/F16 (IIRC), got it back down to 512MB for F17, and it's back up to 768MB or 1GB for F18 atm because everyone has more important stuff to do than

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: As someone pointed out in yesterday meeting - Fedora is becoming more a combo of time/feature based distribution. I don't think that's really the case. The important thing about a time-based schedule is that at some

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:07 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 05:44:41AM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: We have bigger issue with features that are OUT OF the process, not communicated at all. If you take a look on New Installer UI, it fits current design,

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM, David Cantrell dcantr...@redhat.com wrote: 2) Just stop everything, move newui to F-19, and ship the F-17 installer. This just delays what we are going through right now until the F-19 cycle. We need to identify the failings at some point and work to

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 03:58 PM, David Cantrell wrote: Not true. As with our other major changes, we new it would be absolutely impossible to deliver all functionality in a single release. What exactly prevented the

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Miloslav Trmač
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 17:20 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/08/2012 05:14 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 8 November 2012 10:06, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson johan...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 04:37 PM,

Orphaning LibRaw and gource

2012-11-09 Thread Siddhesh Poyarekar
Hi, I don't have enough bandwidth to do anything useful with them any more, so I'm orphaning them. LibRaw is a dependency for shotwell and gource is, well, pretty neat. Siddhesh -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Vratislav Podzimek
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 12:27 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM, David Lehman dleh...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 17:20 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/08/2012 05:14 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On 8 November 2012 10:06, Jóhann B.

Re: Orphaning LibRaw and gource

2012-11-09 Thread Jon Ciesla
On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 5:41 AM, Siddhesh Poyarekar spoya...@redhat.comwrote: Hi, I don't have enough bandwidth to do anything useful with them any more, so I'm orphaning them. LibRaw is a dependency for shotwell and gource is, well, pretty neat. Taken, thanks for your work! -J

Re: Attention, dependency fighters

2012-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 14:18 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: FYI, re: firewalld minimal install. firewalld isn't in the minimal comps groups. However, it's pulled in by anaconda, see pyanaconda/install.py: # anaconda requires storage packages in order to make sure the target #

F-18 Branched report: 20121109 changes

2012-11-09 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Fri Nov 9 09:15:42 UTC 2012 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [dhcp-forwarder] dhcp-forwarder-upstart-0.10-1801.fc18.noarch requires /sbin/initctl [dvipdfm] dvipdfm-0.13.2d-44.fc18.x86_64 requires

PHP embedded library soname change

2012-11-09 Thread Remi Collet
Hi, In previous version libphp5.so used php version as soname (so, libphp5-5.4.8.so) For new version it will only use php major version (so, libphp5-5.4.so) Already available for Fedora 18 (php-5.4.8-6 in testing). Dependent package owner (maniadrive and uwsgi) are aware of this change. Of

[perl-Template-Toolkit/f17] Remove executable bit from documentation

2012-11-09 Thread Petr Pisar
commit f245e6728b67533451d5f078f7b3c4674af42b50 Author: Petr Písař ppi...@redhat.com Date: Fri Nov 9 14:25:38 2012 +0100 Remove executable bit from documentation perl-Template-Toolkit.spec |8 ++-- 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) --- diff --git

Re: Attention, dependency fighters

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: firewalld isn't in the minimal comps groups. However, it's pulled in by anaconda, see pyanaconda/install.py: # anaconda requires storage packages in order to make sure the target # system is bootable and configurable,

Re: Attention, dependency fighters

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 01:34 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 07:12:50AM -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: firewalld isn't in the minimal comps groups. However, it's pulled in by anaconda, see pyanaconda/install.py: # anaconda requires storage packages in order to make sure the target

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 18:15 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Again, this isn't an accident, it's a very deliberate plan. One of the whole points of the Fedora philosophy is that we're supposed to share and reuse work and code as much as possible. We're not supposed to write five independent

plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: You might want to remove plymouth from the minimal install since it does not make sense having it there anyway Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? I'm starting to think that a dedicated list for the minimal core sig

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 06:15:55PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: On Thu, 2012-11-08 at 15:19 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: Patches that cleanly decouple Anaconda from the entire software stack that it runs on top of would probably be received

raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/firewalld-default We have an accepted feature for Firewalld to be the default in Fedora 18. The old scripts are primitive and can't handle dynamic environments very well, so having something new and modern is admirable. The lokkit family of GUI config

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-09 Thread Kamil Paral
So, here's a proposal for a semi-informal group linking different stakeholders interested in curating the @core package selection: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Minimal_Core I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 06:02:10PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Aside from that - I can understand your frustration that you think people are chinwagging and not helping, but my point is kind of that you (anaconda team) have brought that on yourselves. I'm not on the Anaconda team. That's my

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 9 novembre 2012 14:48, Matthias Clasen a écrit : I still think there would be room for shrinking both code base and the system dependencies if the installer focused on its core responsibility - getting the bits on disk. That is an important and very high-risk operation - why do we

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On Fri, 09 Nov 2012, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Ven 9 novembre 2012 14:48, Matthias Clasen a écrit : I still think there would be room for shrinking both code base and the system dependencies if the installer focused on its core responsibility - getting the bits on disk. That is an important

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:45:56AM -0500, Kamil Paral wrote: I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 11:21:07AM +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 07:43 GMT, Adam Williamson wrote: It hasn't really 'skyrocketed'. We cited 512MB for several releases, bumped it to 768MB for F15/F16 (IIRC), got it back down to 512MB for F17, and it's back up to 768MB or 1GB for

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:30:14AM -0500, David Cantrell wrote: Wasn’t one of the advantages of VMs the fact that you can slice more small machines on one computer? Yes, that is an advantage, but that shouldn't be slicing up one computer in to multiple very underpowered smaller computers.

Re: No preupgrade for F17-F18?, [Bug 872876] WONTFIX

2012-11-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 23:38:21 -0800 Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 08:07 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jaroslav Reznik wrote: Prepupgrade should be probably taken out from F17 (as there's no newer Fedora that supports preupgrade). We can't really take

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 06:45 AM, Kamil Paral wrote: I wonder whether Core is a good word for Fedora Minimal installation SIG. Because currently the minimal installation uses @base yum group. @core group is included always, whether you want it or not. If you really want to have a_core_ system, you must

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 08:53:19 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: You might want to remove plymouth from the minimal install since it does not make sense having it there anyway Yes probably. Anyone know

Re: Fedora Minimal Core SIG -- please join if you're interested

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 08:11:17AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Also, the minimal install (GUI or TUI) does %packages \n %end as well, only @core gets installed. So the result is the same as doing the kickstart. Okay, cool -- I didn't know that was changed too. Good! -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing the text mode output. Perhaps some plymouth folks would chime in here... I removed it from my test vm with no apparent

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:33:08AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/firewalld-default We have an accepted feature for Firewalld to be the default in Fedora 18. This replaces iptables and ip6tables? Perhaps I

remove polkit from core?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we remove it from core? -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing list

Re: MariaDB: Packagers needed

2012-11-09 Thread Renich Bon Ciric
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=875150 Spec URL: http://renich.fedorapeople.org/SPECS/mariadb.spec SRPM URL: http://renich.fedorapeople.org/SRPMS/ -- It's hard to be free... but I love to struggle. Love isn't asked for; it's just given. Respect isn't asked for; it's earned! Renich

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/09/2012 03:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/firewalld-default We have an accepted feature for Firewalld to be the default in Fedora 18. The old scripts are primitive and can't handle dynamic environments very well, so having something new and modern is

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/08/2012 08:48 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: No I assume everyone expected the Anaconda developers to handle that if not they would have asked for assistance in that regard and outlined the steps necessary to do so which I assume would have been minimal if necessary et all since I

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing handing the text mode output. Perhaps some

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le Ven 9 novembre 2012 17:35, Kevin Fenzi a écrit : On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 09.11.12 11:27, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: Apparently the new version of polkit brings in javascript. The js package is 6.5MB. I think anything that uses polkit will depend on it -- can we remove it from core? We can work towards that but it requires a bit of

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/08/2012 11:40 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Pointing out how the installer currently works does not change my opinion on the fact that if an installer ( any installer ) cannot run on his own bits isolated from the package set he is about install is a design flaw and is something that

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Thomas Woerner
On 11/09/2012 05:24 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:33:08AM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/firewalld-default We have an accepted feature for Firewalld to be the default in Fedora 18.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/08/2012 12:19 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote: Matthew Garrett (mj...@srcf.ucam.org) said: Patches that cleanly decouple Anaconda from the entire software stack that it runs on top of would probably be received with open arms, but nobody who works on it has any idea how to implement them. In

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Eric H. Christensen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:45:23PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: I'd happily help document it in the Fedora Security Guide if I could get the proper content or access to the developers. Heck, I'll even help write stand-alone documentation for

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 07:15 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:30:14AM -0500, David Cantrell wrote: Wasn’t one of the advantages of VMs the fact that you can slice more small machines on one computer? Yes, that is an advantage, but that shouldn't be slicing up one computer in to

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:32:14PM +0100, Thomas Woerner wrote: - this turns out to be a big change! - there's little to no documentation Have you had a look at the man pages? I missed the top-level man page and was looking at firewall-cmd, which is not very helpful on its own. Starting

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 04:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: While that has some obvious issues, like new hardware doesn't work with old kernel/syslinux/grub/udev/etc..., It's not like it always works in that area anyway there are further issues as some configuration has to happen within the installed

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 05:48 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: I still think there would be room for shrinking both code base and the system dependencies if the installer focused on its core responsibility - getting the bits on disk. That is an important and very high-risk operation - why do we need to

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2012-11-09, 14:30 GMT, David Cantrell wrote: Just to cite similar complaints I see from time to time... It irritates me that people think it's a problem that in 2012 they can't install in a VM that is allocated with 256M of RAM. Allocate a reasonable amount, start over. Your host

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 08:33 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: a) Why installer requires 2-4 times more memory than any other program running on my computer (and the software you use on it could be a good example of SOHO server)? Because anaconda links into a large amount of runtime stuff, that normally runs

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 06:56 AM, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: The simple fact that you are feeding kickstart file to a single entity does not mean this entity cannot outsource actual tasks to others and run them later, be it post-install phase in the actual installer's session or after (a simulated) reboot.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: As someone pointed out in yesterday meeting - Fedora is becoming more a combo of time/feature based distribution. I don't think that's really the case.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 08:57 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/09/2012 04:43 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: While that has some obvious issues, like new hardware doesn't work with old kernel/syslinux/grub/udev/etc..., It's not like it always works in that area anyway Right, computers don't always

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 05:01 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/09/2012 05:48 AM, Matthias Clasen wrote: I still think there would be room for shrinking both code base and the system dependencies if the installer focused on its core responsibility - getting the bits on disk. That is an important and very

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:43:17PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: Of course, it should be clear that making PK optional if a desktop is installed is not desirable, but other than that I think for head-less systems such as servers or embedded making PK optional would be desirable goal and

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Peter Jones
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:33:05PM +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 14:30 GMT, David Cantrell wrote: Just to cite similar complaints I see from time to time... It irritates me that people think it's a problem that in 2012 they can't install in a VM that is allocated with 256M of

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 05:13 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: As far as Anaconda reverted in the future, I'm confused as to when/where this became a requirement. It never was up to this point you know the usual attitude of let's cross that bridge when we get there and this release cycle has proven that it's

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/08/2012 12:47 PM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 11/08/2012 08:40 PM, David Lehman wrote: No. It is an inevitable consequence of the feature set demanded of the Fedora OS installer. If thing A must be able to set up and configure thing B and thing B changes in ways directly related to

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:43:17PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: deserved. Just today I made a minor fix to systemd git to deal nicely with PK-less systems. Right now, I get: $ reboot Failed to issue method call: The name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files

Re: Attention, dependency fighters

2012-11-09 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson (johan...@gmail.com) said: The storage packages are going to be needed for the system to boot. Anaconda could probably add some smarts to remove authconfig if it wasn't pulled in by anything in the selected comps, but I'm not sure it'd be worth the special logic -- we

Re: remove polkit from core?

2012-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
1;3401;0cOn Fri, 09.11.12 12:22, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:43:17PM +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: deserved. Just today I made a minor fix to systemd git to deal nicely with PK-less systems. Right now, I get: $ reboot Failed to issue

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 03:27 AM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: Well, perhaps thing B shouldn't have been changed incompatibly in the first place. I realize that's an ideal that is impossible to achieve, but we are rather cavalier about changing interfaces without adequate notification. I've been told that the

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 11/09/2012 05:17 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: I can keep going, but is it really necessary? I argue yes maybe not here but having a wikipage under the anaconda name space which mention all the package and configuration files change that can directly affect the installer and how would be

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 11:21 +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 07:43 GMT, Adam Williamson wrote: It hasn't really 'skyrocketed'. We cited 512MB for several releases, bumped it to 768MB for F15/F16 (IIRC), got it back down to 512MB for F17, and it's back up to 768MB or 1GB for F18 atm

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread Alek Paunov
On 08.11.2012 15:10, Miroslav Suchý wrote: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Upgrading_Fedora_using_yum Nice start, Thank you! I like the scripting (ifs) or even better a rule based (make-like) approach. I will test your script on few instances. -- devel mailing list

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:13:32AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: As far as Anaconda reverted in the future, I'm confused as to when/where this became a requirement. I think he's saying this because: 1) Features have a section for contingency plans. 2) In this particular case, we're slipping

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Fri, 09.11.12 08:53, Matthew Miller (mat...@fedoraproject.org) wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:41:08PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: You might want to remove plymouth from the minimal install since it does not make sense having it there anyway Yes probably. Anyone know why it's

Network interface renaming, where does INTERFACE_NAME get applied?

2012-11-09 Thread Daniel Drake
Hi Bill I see that initscripts in F18 ships this udev rule: ACTION==add, SUBSYSTEM==net, PROGRAM=/lib/udev/rename_device, RESULT==?*, ENV{INTERFACE_NAME}=$result I'm trying to tackle some problems related to interface renaming, and understanding how this works would be useful. But I can't find

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 12:55:30PM +0100, Vratislav Podzimek wrote: On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 12:27 +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote: I've been told that the F18 Anaconda work was for some time done on a single rawhide snapshot; after ~2 months the snapshot was updated - and it took weeks to get

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 09:11 AM, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Well the argue can be made that If you are doing a minimal install it kinda indicates you actually know what you are doing ( which means you will probably change whatever was set afterwards ) so the system should just default to use sane

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 09:35 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:13:32AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: As far as Anaconda reverted in the future, I'm confused as to when/where this became a requirement. I think he's saying this because: 1) Features have a section for contingency

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:49:00AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/09/2012 09:35 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:13:32AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: As far as Anaconda reverted in the future, I'm confused as to when/where this became a requirement. I think he's

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Panu Matilainen
On 11/09/2012 07:15 PM, Peter Jones wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 05:33:05PM +0100, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 14:30 GMT, David Cantrell wrote: Just to cite similar complaints I see from time to time... It irritates me that people think it's a problem that in 2012 they can't install in

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 08:57:05AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: Just to cite similar complaints I see from time to time... It irritates me that people think it's a problem that in 2012 they can't install in a VM that is allocated with 256M of RAM. Allocate a reasonable amount, start over. Your

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 09:57 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Except that rpm (and yum) use a lot LESS memory these days than they did in the RHEL-5 era, which I think was used as a comparison here. That's not where all the memory has gone, quite the contrary. While that may be true, the amount of ram (free

itext 5.x

2012-11-09 Thread Jerry James
Does anybody know if there are licensing issues with itext 5.x? I'd like to package some software that needs a fairly recent version of itext, but I know we've had license issues with that package in the past. Also, FWIW, bouncycastle hasn't been updated because of itext (

appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
This perplexing to me. In my %post section, I tried both writing GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 to /etc/default/grub and using sed to replace set timeout=5 in grub2.cfg. I even put a call to grub2-mkconfig to re-write the config file after doing those things. But on boot, grub.cfg file always contains timeout=5.

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: This perplexing to me. In my %post section, I tried both writing GRUB_TIMEOUT=0 to /etc/default/grub and using sed to replace set timeout=5 in grub2.cfg. I even put a call to grub2-mkconfig to re-write the config file after doing those things. But

Re: plymouth in @core? [was Re: Attention, dependency fighters]

2012-11-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.11.2012 17:35, schrieb Kevin Fenzi: On Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:20:08 -0500 Matthew Miller mat...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:16:24AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: Yes probably. Anyone know why it's there? IIRC, even if you 'disable' it, plymouth is still the thing

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:33:32PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: in your kickstart can you do: bootloader --timeout=1 Forgot to mention: this is already there and does not have any effect _either_. -- Matthew Miller ☁☁☁ Fedora Cloud Architect ☁☁☁ mat...@fedoraproject.org -- devel mailing

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:33:32PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: in your kickstart can you do: bootloader --timeout=1 Forgot to mention: this is already there and does not have any effect _either_. hmmm - seems to work for me using ami-creator. -sv

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:42:58PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: in your kickstart can you do: bootloader --timeout=1 Forgot to mention: this is already there and does not have any effect _either_. hmmm - seems to work for me using ami-creator. I'm using appliance-creator because it's what we're

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:42:58PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: in your kickstart can you do: bootloader --timeout=1 Forgot to mention: this is already there and does not have any effect _either_. hmmm - seems to work for me using ami-creator. I'm

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Matthew Miller
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:49:34PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Not sure these two QUITE do the same thing - but they use the installer similarly, I think. here's what I've been using: https://github.com/eucalyptus/ami-creator I've got https://github.com/katzj/ami-creator :) -- Matthew

Re: raising warning flag on firewalld-default feature

2012-11-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.11.2012 17:45, schrieb Thomas Woerner: On 11/09/2012 05:24 PM, Eric H. Christensen wrote: Please have a look at the feature list for F-18. firewalld replaces system-config-firewall/lokkit, and the iptables and ip6tables services, not the iptables package and command. The

Re: appliance-creator: how can I shorten the grub timeout in kickstart?

2012-11-09 Thread Seth Vidal
On Fri, 9 Nov 2012, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 01:49:34PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: Not sure these two QUITE do the same thing - but they use the installer similarly, I think. here's what I've been using: https://github.com/eucalyptus/ami-creator I've got

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 11/09/2012 10:19 AM, drago01 wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Miroslav Suchý msu...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/08/2012 03:10 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: Hmm, I now see there is a set -e at the beginning. Still a little scary.:-) Scary is only the idea. And only because we are not used

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 09.11.2012 19:08, schrieb Jesse Keating: On 11/09/2012 09:57 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: Except that rpm (and yum) use a lot LESS memory these days than they did in the RHEL-5 era, which I think was used as a comparison here. That's not where all the memory has gone, quite the contrary.

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2012-11-09, 17:06 GMT, Jesse Keating wrote: Because anaconda links into a large amount of runtime stuff, that normally runs isloated and so it /looks/ like our memory usage is balooned, when in reality the entire system has balooned, we're just getting the blame. Right, that looks

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Matej Cepl
On 2012-11-09, 17:15 GMT, Peter Jones wrote: The installer's memory footprint is largely bound by the size of the package set. So, for example, a yum upgrade will take more ram - because there are effectively twice as many packages involved. I see that. Couldn’t be there a way how to somehow

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 11:32 AM, Matej Cepl wrote: On 2012-11-09, 17:06 GMT, Jesse Keating wrote: Because anaconda links into a large amount of runtime stuff, that normally runs isloated and so it /looks/ like our memory usage is balooned, when in reality the entire system has balooned, we're just

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:35:42AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/08/2012 11:31 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Yes. This is_absolutely_ a feature. A complete rewrite of a core and non-optional component cannot be done ad hoc without planning. One blindingly obvious reason for this in the

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 14:47 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2012 at 06:02:10PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: Aside from that - I can understand your frustration that you think people are chinwagging and not helping, but my point is kind of that you (anaconda team) have

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 09:35 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/08/2012 11:31 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Yes. This is_absolutely_ a feature. A complete rewrite of a core and non-optional component cannot be done ad hoc without planning. One blindingly obvious reason for this in the current

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2012-11-09 at 09:47 -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: But if we continue to look at minimal install which post-install configuration files is Anaconda explicitly touching? root auth and firewall config are the main ones. Note that we don't have any UI for firewall config either, so

Re: Fedora 18 Beta to slip by two weeks, Beta release date is now Nov 27

2012-11-09 Thread Jesse Keating
On 11/09/2012 12:05 PM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote: On Fri, Nov 09, 2012 at 09:35:42AM -0800, Jesse Keating wrote: On 11/08/2012 11:31 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: Yes. This is_absolutely_ a feature. A complete rewrite of a core and non-optional component cannot be done ad hoc without planning. One

Re: yum upgrade from F17 to F18

2012-11-09 Thread Juan Rodriguez
I can't comment on UsrMove because I'm quite unfamiliar with it, but I did manage to upgrade from f17 to f18 using the totally unsupported yum update --releasever --enablerepo=*testing --nogpgcheck method. Computer booted and everything's exactly as it used to (Though I did have to remove some

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