Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread gil
Il 15/04/2013 08:19, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" ha scritto: On 04/14/2013 07:10 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 04/14/2013 06:54 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Convincing this is about doing the right thing! I your intention was to ban mysql in the distribution then it should have been banned an

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/14/2013 07:10 PM, Matthias Runge wrote: On 04/14/2013 06:54 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: Convincing this is about doing the right thing! I your intention was to ban mysql in the distribution then it should have been banned and dropped instead of this mess that you guys have created.

[Test-Announce] 2013-04-15 @ 16:00 UTC - F19 Alpha Blocker Bug Review #7

2013-04-14 Thread Adam Williamson
# F19 Alpha Blocker Review meeting #7 # Date: 2013-04-15 # Time: 16:00 UTC (12:00 EDT, 09:00 PDT) # Location: #fedora-blocker-review on irc.freenode.net Again, we'll be having a blocker review meeting to follow up the QA meeting on Monday. Only a few bugs to look at, should be a quick one. We'

[Test-Announce] 2013-04-15 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2013-04-14 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2013-04-15 # Time: 15:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's meeting time again today/tomorrow! Once again, F19 Alpha is the main topic: unfortunately we m

Re: Why does _hardened_build use "-z, relro" and not "-z, relro, -z, now" ?

2013-04-14 Thread Paul Wouters
On Fri, 12 Apr 2013, Tomas Mraz wrote: Huh? As far as I can see _hardened_build adds -z now, not relro. -Wl,-z,relro is supposed to be included in LDFLAGS. Or has this changed recently? Let me rephrase... Why is _hardened_build not using "-z,relro,-z,now" ? Because -Wl,-z,relro is supposed t

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > I think you misunderstand. > > 2 things: > > 1) I want to be able to login and click "My packages" and see all my > packages. > > 2) I want to be able to change acls without having to go back to > pkgdb. In fact, this might take exporting

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthias Runge wrote: > > IMHO you cannot ban/deprecate a package from the distro, if there's > > still a packager/contributor to the package. Also you can not force > > somebody to drop a package. > > FESCo has done that even to a whole

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Matthias Runge wrote: > IMHO you cannot ban/deprecate a package from the distro, if there's > still a packager/contributor to the package. Also you can not force > somebody to drop a package. FESCo has done that even to a whole group of packages: (separately-packaged) kernel modules! It would mak

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Dan Mashal
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: >> >> >> It returns you to pkgdb to set acls and the relationships tab gives an >> error. I was mainly looking at it to manage permissions (right now). >> >> And when I meant funct

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Dan Mashal wrote: > > It returns you to pkgdb to set acls and the relationships tab gives an > error. I was mainly looking at it to manage permissions (right now). > > And when I meant functional I meant FULLY functional, meaning I > wouldn't have to touch pk

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Dan Mashal
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 5:16 AM, Rex Dieter wrote: > Dan Mashal wrote: > >> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon >> wrote: > >>> Blahblahblahb >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2013-January/001036.html > >> Let me know when it's functional. > > Like now. >

Review request for golang

2013-04-14 Thread Adam Goode
Hi, I have a review request for the "golang" package, which obsoletes the old stale "go" package request. This package compliments the existing gccgo implementation already in Fedora. Someone interested in having the go-based go toolchain in Fedora should review it! https://bugzilla.redhat.com/sh

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Matthias Runge
On 04/14/2013 06:54 PM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > Convincing this is about doing the right thing! > > I your intention was to ban mysql in the distribution then it should > have been banned and dropped instead of this mess that you guys have > created. IMHO you cannot ban/deprecate a p

Re: Recommended memory size for F19?

2013-04-14 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Apr 13, 2013, at 18:37, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> For seriously lightweight window managers, I've been using "vtwm" for >> years, still published by the Penguin Liberation Front and listed at >> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/13029794/dir/mandriva_2010/com

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 6 (TC6) Available Now!

2013-04-14 Thread Andreas Tunek
Maybe your hitting this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950653 /Andreas 2013/4/14 Rahul Sundaram > Hi > > > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: > >> >> >> [snip for brevity] >> >> Live DVD boots as far as black screen after progress bars & no further >> with no ou

Re: New package group request

2013-04-14 Thread Eugene Pivnev
14.04.2013 19:09, Kevin Kofler: Bill Nottingham wrote: Note that most of the desktop environments already have specific groups for apps native to or curated for those environments. This would be the group for the Razor-Qt desktop environment, but first we should get that packaged in Fedora. 1.

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/14/2013 03:11 PM, Tom Lane wrote: Kevin Kofler writes: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: If I installed mysql and have been running mysql then upgrade I expect the upgrade process to pick up the latest mysql we ship upgraded to that and I will be continuing to run mysql not be magically mov

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 19 Alpha Test Compose 6 (TC6) Available Now!

2013-04-14 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 8:44 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote: > > > [snip for brevity] > > Live DVD boots as far as black screen after progress bars & no further > with no output whatsoever running on KVM on Fedora 17 on a Lenovo > ThinkCentre MT-8808. > Do check bugzilla and file a bug report. Mark

Re: [F18][ATI Rage XL] Problems with install on ATI Rage XP video driver

2013-04-14 Thread Aaron Gray
I have put in two bugzilla entries :- https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=951643 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=951648 On for F18 and another for F19-Live as they seem to be different results. Aaron On 5 April 2013 12:58, Aaron Gray wrote: > Yeah I am getting the

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 12:59:06 +0200 Reindl Harald wrote: > if someone aks for a monthly patchday for Fedora > instead push updates after bugs are fixed who is > kidding there? I don't think anyone actually was asking for that. The proposal around monthly update packs includes the idea that people

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.04.2013 12:51, schrieb Dan Mashal: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> but Fedora IS NOT RHEL >> if you want the RHEL way use it >> > > WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? ?? if someone aks for a monthly patchday for Fedora instead push updates after bugs are fixed who is kiddin

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Tom Lane
Kevin Kofler writes: > Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: >> If I installed mysql and have been running mysql then upgrade I expect >> the upgrade process to pick up the latest mysql we ship upgraded to that >> and I will be continuing to run mysql not be magically moved to fork of >> it mariadb. > S

Re: New package group request

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bill Nottingham wrote: > Note that most of the desktop environments already have specific groups > for apps native to or curated for those environments. This would be the group for the Razor-Qt desktop environment, but first we should get that packaged in Fedora. I agree that having a group of Q

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Richard Hughes wrote: > Not true for the majority of GNOME and KDE packages. You can't test > gnome-control-center 3.9.1 without installing gnome-settings-daemon > 3.9.1 as well. Not because of any library interface issue, but because > g-s-d provides the D-Bus API used by g-c-c. The desktop, like

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > It goes without saying that users should never be automatically moved > from component A to component B if component A is still being provided, > maintained and shipped in the distribution. Which is why IMHO MySQL should not be provided anymore at all. > If I instal

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-14 Thread Kevin Kofler
Steve Grubb wrote: > On Saturday, April 13, 2013 08:36:53 PM Kevin Kofler wrote: >> But it prevents (with probability (256^n-1)/256^n, where n is the size of >> the canary in bytes, which for n=4 is approximately .976717) >> exploiting the overflows to change the return address of any C fu

Re: %doc path

2013-04-14 Thread drago01
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Eugene Pivnev wrote: > Sorry for stupid question - help me to find something like "doc must be in > %{_docdir}/%{name}-%{version}/ but not in %{_docdir}/%{name}/" in > guidelines. > Or there is no such limit? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Docu

%doc path

2013-04-14 Thread Eugene Pivnev
Sorry for stupid question - help me to find something like "doc must be in %{_docdir}/%{name}-%{version}/ but not in %{_docdir}/%{name}/" in guidelines. Or there is no such limit? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Rex Dieter
Dan Mashal wrote: > On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon > wrote: >> Blahblahblahb >> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2013-January/001036.html > Let me know when it's functional. Like now. (at least https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/ was when I tri

F-19 Branched report: 20130414 changes

2013-04-14 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Apr 14 09:16:31 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.10.6-2.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [alexandria] alexandria-0.6.9-4.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) >=

Re: MySQL and MariaDB in Fedora

2013-04-14 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 04/13/2013 09:42 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: Users should not be switched automatically to Mariadb on upgrades Of course they should! That's the point of switching! It goes without saying that users should never be automatically moved from component A to component

rawhide report: 20130414 changes

2013-04-14 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Apr 14 08:15:19 UTC 2013 Broken deps for x86_64 -- [aeolus-conductor] aeolus-conductor-0.10.6-2.fc19.noarch requires ruby(abi) = 0:1.9.1 [amide] amide-1.0.0-4.fc19.x86_64 requires libvolpack.so.1()(64bit

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-14 Thread Dan Mashal
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > but Fedora IS NOT RHEL > if you want the RHEL way use it > WHO ARE YOU KIDDING? -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Dan Mashal
On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote: > On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 02:39 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >> > John5342 wrote: >> >> I think searching applications by default is a stupid idea when that >> >> web app is mostly used by

Re: Keeping old versions of packages

2013-04-14 Thread Richard Hughes
On 13 April 2013 23:09, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Sure you can! It's a basic rule of QA that small isolated changes can be > debugged much better than a huge hodgepodge of many totally unrelated > changes. Not true for the majority of GNOME and KDE packages. You can't test gnome-control-center 3.9.1

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Pierre-Yves Chibon
On Sun, 2013-04-14 at 02:39 -0700, Dan Mashal wrote: > On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > John5342 wrote: > >> I think searching applications by default is a stupid idea when that > >> web app is mostly used by packagers > > > > I think it's a stupid idea, period. The default

Re: Expanding the list of "Hardened Packages"

2013-04-14 Thread Michael Scherer
Le dimanche 14 avril 2013 à 01:43 +0200, Kevin Kofler a écrit : > Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > This would be excellent, and projects in this area could make a > > significant contribution. I suspect that any general code-to-policy > > translator will hit the Halting Problem, since it seems trivia

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Dan Mashal
On Sat, Apr 13, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > John5342 wrote: >> I think searching applications by default is a stupid idea when that >> web app is mostly used by packagers > > I think it's a stupid idea, period. The default should be to search all > packages. > > Kevin Kofler > >

Re: LightDM is absent?

2013-04-14 Thread Frank Murphy
On Sat, 06 Apr 2013 20:30:25 +0400 Eugene Pivnev wrote: > I can't find lightd, package in Fedora - If it was lightdm package you were looking for, repeat the test, but click "packages" -- Regards, Frank http//www.frankly3d.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admi