Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Jan Zelený
On 27. 1. 2015 at 11:29:43, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Stephen John Smoogen > > wrote: > > On 27 January 2015 at 10:15, Richard Shaw wrote: > >> Ok, I might be asking a completely stupid question here... > >> > >> Why move production stuff over to dnf at all? Isn't

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Scott Schmit wrote: > On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:18:31PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: >> NetworkManager is not intended only for mobile devices or notebooks, >> because that's a small part of the networking story. Plus, more than >> just notebooks have needs for th

Re: [Guielines Change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-01-27 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
> "RS" == Richard Shaw writes: RS> Is this retroactive on all supported versions of Fedora? Packaging guideline changes are pretty much never retroactive; we don't really have an enforcement body. RS> 20+? Well, <20 isn't exactly important. RS> What about EPEL 5, 6, 7? Pretty sure 7 is O

Re: [Guielines Change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-01-27 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > %license must be used in place of %doc to designate any file containing > the license information for a package. See > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Documentation and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packagin

Schedule for Wednesday's FESCo meeting (2015-01-28 at 18UTC)

2015-01-27 Thread Kevin Fenzi
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting tomorrow at 18:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9 = Followups = #topic ticket #1326 change to fesco replacement process? htt

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Scott Schmit
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:18:31PM -0600, Dan Williams wrote: > NetworkManager is not intended only for mobile devices or notebooks, > because that's a small part of the networking story. Plus, more than > just notebooks have needs for the things that NetworkManager brings to > the table. > > If

Re: [Guielines Change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-01-27 Thread पराग़
Hi, On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > %license must be used in place of %doc to designate any file containing > the license information for a package. See > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Documentation and > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Pack

[Guielines Change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

2015-01-27 Thread Jason L Tibbitts III
%license must be used in place of %doc to designate any file containing the license information for a package. See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Documentation and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:LicensingGuidelines Guidelines for DevAssistant packages (DAP) were

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.01.2015 um 01:23 schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson: On 01/27/2015 08:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: We hope that NM can be installed on most systems, and will be there when required and useful, but will get out of the way when not required. Well I can confirm that NM pretty much does exactly th

Re: Is it a SELinux policy problem ?

2015-01-27 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 01/27/2015 05:11 PM, Casper wrote: > Or is it a luajit problem ? > > Dear devs hello. > I would like to determine if these AVC are caused by prosody, lua, or > a wrong SELinux policy. > This avc (execmem) looks like it is allowed in Fedora selinux-policy-3.13.1-105.fc21.src.rpm Does prosody ha

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Jóhann B. Guðmundsson
On 01/27/2015 08:18 PM, Dan Williams wrote: We hope that NM can be installed on most systems, and will be there when required and useful, but will get out of the way when not required. Well I can confirm that NM pretty much does exactly that seeing as I have been running networkd for couple o

Is it a SELinux policy problem ?

2015-01-27 Thread Casper
Or is it a luajit problem ? Dear devs hello. I would like to determine if these AVC are caused by prosody, lua, or a wrong SELinux policy. lancaster ~ # systemctl status prosody ● prosody.service - Prosody XMPP (Jabber) server Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/prosody.service; disabled

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.01.2015 um 21:18 schrieb Dan Williams: On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 20:56 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: there is a usecase for NM, surely, but not for me and not for a lot of other people working professional in serious setups and tend to configure personal workstations left and right as much as

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > I have to admit that I remain pretty unhappy with NetworkManager. > It's a complex GUI on top of the underlying actual iinit scrupts, it Um. No it isn't. I think you have fundamentally misunderstood what NetworkManager is. You see

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 20:56 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.01.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > > wrote: > >> On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> > >>> * KVM bridge configuration > >> > >> Works fin

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 14:50 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.01.2015 um 20:50 schrieb Nico Kadel-Garcia: On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: * KVM bridge configuration Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and my server VM host. Test

Re: initscripts

2015-01-27 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sun, 2015-01-25 at 08:49 -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > >> * KVM bridge configuration > > Works fine in F21+, I'm using NM on both my main desktop/test box and > my server VM host. Testing now on a VM, with the Fedora 21 Workstation

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-27 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 01/27/2015 07:03 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: All those are warnings, not "garbage" or debug output. File bugs about those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. Shouldn't they trigger abrt then? more importantly, is it possible to capture that in the QA process during distribution com

Re: Flash plugin 0-day vulnerability in the wild

2015-01-27 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 26 January 2015 at 15:17, Martin Stransky wrote: > On 01/26/2015 02:03 PM, drago01 wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Ahmad Samir >> wrote: >>> >>> On 26 January 2015 at 14:55, Martin Stransky wrote: Where have you got that? Official Adobe site [1] says the late

Re: Review swaps

2015-01-27 Thread Jerry James
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Jerry James wrote: > 1. gap-pkg-atlasrep: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1185014 > 2. gap-pkg-browse: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1185015 > 3. gap-pkg-io: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1185016 > 4. gap-pkg-polymaking: htt

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Richard Shaw
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > On 27 January 2015 at 10:15, Richard Shaw wrote: > >> Ok, I might be asking a completely stupid question here... >> >> Why move production stuff over to dnf at all? Isn't dnf's goal in life to >> eventually become yum? If dnf is

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 27 January 2015 at 10:15, Richard Shaw wrote: > Ok, I might be asking a completely stupid question here... > > Why move production stuff over to dnf at all? Isn't dnf's goal in life to > eventually become yum? If dnf is "good enough" to start using it in > production, should the discussion be

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Richard Shaw
Ok, I might be asking a completely stupid question here... Why move production stuff over to dnf at all? Isn't dnf's goal in life to eventually become yum? If dnf is "good enough" to start using it in production, should the discussion be around dnf -> yum transition? Thanks Richard -- devel mail

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Jan Zelený
On 27. 1. 2015 at 10:03:54, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 27 January 2015 at 01:37, Jan Zelený wrote: > > On 27. 1. 2015 at 03:54:38, Peter Robinson wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:43:55 + > > > > > > > > Peter Robinson wrot

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 27 January 2015 at 01:37, Jan Zelený wrote: > On 27. 1. 2015 at 03:54:38, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:43:55 + > > > > > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > >> >> The kernel, grub and a few other packages are built on

ninja/ninja-build

2015-01-27 Thread Adrian Reber
I am planning to orphan the IRC client ninja. One of the reasons to orphan it is that there is a build system[1] which has the same name. In Fedora the ninja build system is called ninja-build which makes it incompatible with most other Linux distributions[2]. In addition the current release is fro

Re: Why is fedoraproject.org only indexed by Google?

2015-01-27 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 01/26/2015 09:46 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: I think we added the Crawl-delay several years ago when we were having storage issues. We could definitely try removing it and see if things improve. 10 seconds may be on the high side, but you may still want to keep it and lower it to 1 to 5 seconds.

Re: Cannot start 2 VMs on F21

2015-01-27 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Cole Robinson wrote: > Please file a bug against libvirt, and include: > > 1) sudo virsh dumpxml $vmname > 2) /var/log/libvirt/qemu/$vmname.log > > for the failing VM Filed as https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1186425. Thank you, Cole! -- Jerry James h

Re: Cannot start 2 VMs on F21

2015-01-27 Thread Cole Robinson
On 01/27/2015 11:03 AM, Jerry James wrote: > I asked the question below on the virt mailing list about 2 weeks ago. > There have been a grand total of zero responses so far. I'll ask the > same question here, in hopes that somebody knows something that could > help. > > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11

Re: Cannot start 2 VMs on F21

2015-01-27 Thread Jerry James
I asked the question below on the virt mailing list about 2 weeks ago. There have been a grand total of zero responses so far. I'll ask the same question here, in hopes that somebody knows something that could help. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Jerry James wrote: > Greetings, > > I recently

Re: refactoring alternatives

2015-01-27 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 01/27/2015 09:25 AM, Frantisek Kluknavsky wrote: What is the correct way to do this? My best idea so far is to increase priority of new alternative. Old alternative will remain rotting but a regular unknowing user will not notice broken symlinks after update. IMHO, you need an Obsoletes in y

refactoring alternatives

2015-01-27 Thread Frantisek Kluknavsky
Hi, I have a packaging question. Package gnuplot contained binary /usr/bin/gnuplot-wx. Subpackage gnuplot-qt contained binary /usr/bin/gnuplot-qt with roughly the same functionality using different GUI. Now it is time to declare qt default and wxGTK obsolete. /usr/bin/gnuplot-qt should be in

Re: F22 Self Contained Change: Tunir

2015-01-27 Thread Kushal Das
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, >> Tunir is a self contained CI Continuous Integration [1] which will be used to >> test Fedora Cloud images nightly. > What relationship, if any, does this have with Taskotron? Right now none. Though I am talking with the upstream o

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Atomic Host

2015-01-27 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, > == Scope == > * Other developers: Unknown. > * Policies and guidelines: May need updates for RpmOstree. This is too vague. What basis do have the other developers for commenting about how they would be affected, knowing only the above? > == Detailed Description == > The original Changes

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Igor Gnatenko
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF >>> > > > >>> > > > says nothing about fedup. However, fedup uses yum: >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > Seems like fedup is only used on Fedora 21 and older to upgrade to >>> > > Fedo

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Peter Robinson
>> > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF >> > > > >> > > > says nothing about fedup. However, fedup uses yum: >> > > > >> > > >> > > Seems like fedup is only used on Fedora 21 and older to upgrade to >> > > Fedora 22. So dnf support would be needed to get Fedora 22 to >> >

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2015-01-27 at 01:26 +, Naheem Zaffar wrote: > > > On 26 January 2015 at 22:52, Will Woods wrote: > > (As an aside, PackageKit should also support these operations, > so we can > use PackageKit to make a Upgrade GUI Thing.) > > > Gnome Software has h

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Django 1.8

2015-01-27 Thread Matthias Runge
On 27/01/15 11:51, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > Hello, >> ** A build containing latest Django will be pushed to f22 branch late in dev >> cycle. If we decide not to push Django-1.8, nothing will be broken. >> ** Django 1.8 final release is expected around April 1st, 2015: [2] > > Note that the “Change

ABRT Crash statistics January 2015

2015-01-27 Thread Marek Brysa
Hi everyone, first, on behalf of our team, let me invite you all to a talk I'm going to give at the Developer Conference 2015 in Brno about the ABRT server. Details are available here: http://sched.co/2B1j It's one again time to share with you some of the crash statistics ABRT server has collecte

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-27 Thread Bastien Nocera
All those are warnings, not "garbage" or debug output. File bugs about those, there should be zero warnings in normal usage. - Original Message - > > The warnings only happen when using development versions of GTK+. So it > > shouldn't happen in F21, or in the future in F22, just in rawhi

Re: F22 System Wide Change: Django 1.8

2015-01-27 Thread Miloslav Trmač
Hello, > ** A build containing latest Django will be pushed to f22 branch late in dev > cycle. If we decide not to push Django-1.8, nothing will be broken. > ** Django 1.8 final release is expected around April 1st, 2015: [2] Note that the “Change checkpoint: completion deadline (testable)” is on

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Miroslav Suchý
On 01/27/2015 08:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Sure...and that means the upgrade tools included in F22 should be DNF- > based. Because they'll be the ones used to upgrade to F23. > > We already shipped the upgrade tools in F21 But you can deliver that code via updates. Planning upgrades from F2

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Mon, 2015-01-26 at 14:37 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Chris Murphy < > > li...@colorremedies.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Adam Williamson < > > > adamw...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > > I note the ReplaceY

Re: Why is fedoraproject.org only indexed by Google?

2015-01-27 Thread Petr Spacek
On 26.1.2015 16:46, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:53:27 -0700 Brandon Vincent > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Florian Weimer >> wrote: >>> Any idea why? >> >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/robots.txt >> >> User-agent: * Crawl-delay: 10 >> >> From Bing, "This me

Re: DNF replacing yum: fedup?

2015-01-27 Thread Jan Zelený
On 26. 1. 2015 at 17:52:36, Will Woods wrote: > On Mon, 2015-01-26 at 13:26 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > > I note the ReplaceYumWithDnf Change page: > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ReplaceYumWithDNF > > > > says nothing about fedup. However, fedup uses yum: > > > > [adamw@adam

rawhide report: 20150127 changes

2015-01-27 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Tue Jan 27 05:15:06 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [Sprog] Sprog-0.14-27.fc20.noarch requires perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.18.0) [aeskulap] aeskulap-0.2.2-0.19beta1.fc22.i686 requires libofstd.so.3.6 aesku

Re: GUI applications writing garbage to stdout/stderr

2015-01-27 Thread Kamil Paral
> The warnings only happen when using development versions of GTK+. So it > shouldn't happen in F21, or in the future in F22, just in rawhide. So when I talked about GTK, I meant the whole GNOME stack, like GLib, gvfs, st, clutter, mutter, gnome-shell, gstreamer, etc. I guess not all of these par

Re: DNF and mock

2015-01-27 Thread Jan Zelený
On 27. 1. 2015 at 03:54:38, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:43:55 + > > > > Peter Robinson wrote: > >> >> The kernel, grub and a few other packages are built on the RHEL6 > >> >> boxes, not everything was migrated off of