Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 12 September 2015 at 04:10, Adam Williamson wrote: > I agree that the discussion here needs to be more broad-based; see the > other thread fork. I was just providing support for Stephen's > contention that this is not some airy-fairy theoretical problem, there > are multiple examples of real th

Re: Orphaned packages available for new point of contact

2015-09-13 Thread Thomas Spura
Kalev Lember schrieb am So., 13. Sep. 2015 um 13:37 Uhr: > On 09/09/2015 10:10 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: > > I retired ScientificPython as it does require an older numpy and doesn't > > build anytime soon with the current numpy and will be FTBFS for a longer > > time [1]. > > How did you retire it?

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Gerald Henriksen
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 23:30:13 +0200, you wrote: >On 2015-09-13, 20:23 GMT, Haïkel wrote: >> The Java world is definitively not moving in the right direction. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Module_System is IMHO The >Right Thing™ and it is still on the list of deliverables for >Java 9 (stil

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-09-13, 20:23 GMT, Haïkel wrote: > The Java world is definitively not moving in the right direction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_Module_System is IMHO The Right Thing™ and it is still on the list of deliverables for Java 9 (still to be feature complete on 2015-12-10). > Recently,

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 20:40 GMT+02:00 Matěj Cepl : > On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote: >> But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the >> cloud/container era where people bundle everything ... > > And they won't retake it by giving up. Then they will just give > ammunition t

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Lars Seipel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 09:53:27AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > == Advantages to using shared libraries == > * Security/Bugs - When a bug or security vulnerability is located in > a library, it needs to be patched in only a single package in order to > fix all applications using that library.

Fedora Rawhide 20150913 compose check report

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Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Matěj Cepl
On 2015-09-13, 13:13 GMT, Haïkel wrote: > But, distros have lost the influence they used to have then, we're in the > cloud/container era where people bundle everything ... And they won't retake it by giving up. Then they will just give ammunition to the idiots persuading them they are right. >

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Sun, 2015-09-13 at 19:28 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: > Normally you're right, but if the package has only just been created > then it doesn't work. I assume bodhi catches up eventually but there > is > definitely a delay when a new package is created during which bodhi > won't find it and you ha

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Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Tom Hughes
On 13/09/15 19:02, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:15:24 -0700 Dave Johansen wrote: I just finished the review for cppformat ( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1216279 ) and went to submit the updates. I noticed that bodhi 2.0 won't autocomplete the names of updates. I bel

Re: No autocomplete for new package in bodhi 2.0?

2015-09-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Sep 2015 16:15:24 -0700 Dave Johansen wrote: > I just finished the review for cppformat ( > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1216279 ) and went to > submit the updates. I noticed that bodhi 2.0 won't autocomplete the > names of updates. I believe that would happen before the

[Test-Announce] 2015-09-14 @ 15:00 UTC - Fedora QA Meeting

2015-09-13 Thread Adam Williamson
# Fedora Quality Assurance Meeting # Date: 2015-09-14 # Time: 15:00 UTC (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto) # Location: #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net Greetings testers! It's QA meeting time again! I don't really have a lot for the agenda, but we haven't met for a couple

Re: F21: fedora-easy-karma / bodhi / updates testing / kf5-baloo

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.08.2015 um 13:16 schrieb Till Hofmann: On 08/29/2015 06:32 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: On Fri, 2015-08-28 at 16:27 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: bodhi2 at https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/ is unusable for testers because the search field seeks for users, no idea how to get to the current f

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Sex, 2015-09-11 at 22:41 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > > > On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > What does Fedora users gain with "dnf > > > install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and >

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sep 13, 2015 4:07 PM, "Reindl Harald" wrote: > > > > Am 13.09.2015 um 16:01 schrieb arnaud gaboury: >> >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: export CFFLAGS= '-xHost -mavx -fp-model precise' %configure CFFLAGS="${CFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CFLAGS ;

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 16:01 schrieb arnaud gaboury: On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: export CFFLAGS= '-xHost -mavx -fp-model precise' %configure CFFLAGS="${CFLAGS:-%optflags}" ; export CFLAGS ; \ Is above the the best way? no * there is no reason to men

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Sex, 2015-09-11 at 22:41 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: > > On 09/11/2015 09:09 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > > What does Fedora users gain with "dnf > > install rails" or "dnf install ipython" versus "gem install rails" and "pip > > install ipython"? > > This indeed is very good question.

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 13.09.2015 um 15:39 schrieb arnaud gaboury: >> >> On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: >>> >>> arnaud gaboury wrote: >>> When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between th

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 15:39 schrieb arnaud gaboury: On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: arnaud gaboury wrote: When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between these methods: export VAR=MyValue %{define} VAR MyValue %{global} VAR MyValue bes

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > arnaud gaboury wrote: > >> When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best >> practice between these methods: >> >> export VAR=MyValue >> %{define} VAR MyValue >> %{global} VAR MyValue > > best practice is to use global, it

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
2015-09-13 10:16 GMT+02:00 Andrew Haley : > > The development model followed by much of the upstream world is > immature: it may not even be repeatable, let alone well-defined. > Shoehorning upstream's mess of bundled requirements is a very useful > service that we can provide to our users. By beh

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Haïkel
I might add that fedora-review could be run on local spec + srpm and will warn you about these kinds of things. H. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct

Re: Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread Rex Dieter
arnaud gaboury wrote: > When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best > practice between these methods: > > export VAR=MyValue > %{define} VAR MyValue > %{global} VAR MyValue best practice is to use global, it is explicitly mentioned here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/P

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.09.2015 um 10:16 schrieb Andrew Haley: I remember the time before free software distros like Fedora: it was chaotic, with messes of bundles and contradictory dependencies from all over the place, with no reliable tools for finding things. Relying on the upstream ecosystem's way of sorting

rawhide report: 20150913 changes

2015-09-13 Thread Fedora Rawhide Report
Compose started at Sun Sep 13 05:15:03 UTC 2015 Broken deps for i386 -- [IQmol] IQmol-2.3.0-9.fc24.i686 requires libboost_serialization.so.1.58.0 IQmol-2.3.0-9.fc24.i686 requires libboost_iostreams.so.1.58.0 [ScientificPython]

F-23 Branched report: 20150913 changes

2015-09-13 Thread Fedora Branched Report
Compose started at Sun Sep 13 07:15:04 UTC 2015 Broken deps for armhfp -- [ScientificPython] ScientificPython-2.8-20.fc22.armv7hl requires libmpi.so.1 [apache-scout] apache-scout-1.2.6-11.fc21.noarch requires mvn(org.apache.jud

Re: Orphaned packages available for new point of contact

2015-09-13 Thread Kalev Lember
On 09/09/2015 10:10 PM, Thomas Spura wrote: > I retired ScientificPython as it does require an older numpy and doesn't > build anytime soon with the current numpy and will be FTBFS for a longer > time [1]. How did you retire it? It doesn't appear to be blocked in koji for some reason and Scientifi

Rpmbuild SPEC file - variable declaration

2015-09-13 Thread arnaud gaboury
When declaring a variable value, I wonder if the any difference/best practice between these methods: export VAR=MyValue %{define} VAR MyValue %{global} VAR MyValue Thank you for hints. -- google.com/+arnaudgabourygabx -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedorap

Re: Proposal to reduce anti-bundling requirements

2015-09-13 Thread Andrew Haley
On 09/12/2015 03:21 PM, Orion Poplawski wrote: > But if we're in a situation where we are just killing ourselves > shoehorning upstream's mess of bundled requirements into rpms and > their response is just 'well just run "pip install foo" and be done > with it', I think it's time to just let every