Re: Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: A blocker ought to be a blocker, no matter when it is discovered and how long it takes to fix. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1405539 It violates a release criterion (IMO), but it's been broken forever

Re: git - wrong paths in documentation files

2017-07-17 Thread Petr Stodulka
Hi Todd, thanks for feedback. On 17.7.2017 20:57, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Hi Petr, > > Petr Stodulka wrote: >> >> Hi folks, I am looking at the #1357438 BZ about broken links to "How to*" >> doc files and I am thinking, about the best solution of this. Problem is >> with using of %doc macro,

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Japheth Cleaver
On 7/17/2017 10:22 AM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:13:28PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Matthew Miller wrote: I strongly dispute the idea that Fedora must be tied to a particular packaging technology. The particular packaging technology is what ensures that we have a

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 7 updates-testing report

2017-07-17 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 7 Security updates need testing: Age URL 862 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-1087 dokuwiki-0-0.24.20140929c.el7 624 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-dac7ed832f mcollective-2.8.4-1.el7 206

[EPEL-devel] Fedora EPEL 6 updates-testing report

2017-07-17 Thread updates
The following Fedora EPEL 6 Security updates need testing: Age URL 740 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-7031 python-virtualenv-12.0.7-1.el6 734 https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-EPEL-2015-7168 rubygem-crack-0.3.2-2.el6 624

Re: Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 02:01 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > Firstly, it may occur if it is agreed to be very unlikely that the bug > > can possibly be fixed within a reasonable time frame for the release to > > be made. For instance, fixing the bug may be a task of such technical

Re: Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
On Tue, 2017-07-18 at 03:37 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > IMHO, this is a slippery slope eroding the quality of Fedora just because > some people are not willing to wait a week longer for their "fix". The > argument that this steals time from the next cycle is also invalid, because > the

Re: Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 05:48:09PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > === Exceptional cases === > > Generally speaking, any bug that is agreed to be a violation of the > [[Fedora Release Criteria|release criteria]] should be accepted as a > blocker bug for the next relevant milestone release. > >

Re: Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Adam Williamson wrote: > So, during the blocker review process in the last few cycles, we have > several times come up against the unfortunate situation that a bug that > in the usual course of events would block a release is discovered > extremely late - say the day before the go/no-go meeting -

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > Use of RPM is merely a particular historical choice of delivery mechanism, > and certainly not the defining characteristic of what it means to be the > Fedora distribution. For users consuming the Fedora desktop, the fact that > they're using RPM is hidden away as an

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 02:58:52AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > Yeah, that last point is the real difficult issue, it forces you to keep > > the RPM in parallel with the flatpak, unless we were to either change > > RPM (yuk), or find a way to auto-generate a RPM

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: > However we end up doing it, I think it'd be better if we could do it > without you, whatever it is you do for Fedora. We, and certainly I, don't > want this level of toxicity and utter malfeasance on a mailing-list that > I'm supposed to be subscribed to. > > Please, do

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Jiří Eischmann wrote: > I agree with Matt here, Fedora Project's mission (neither the old one, > nor the new draft) doesn't say anything about RPM. RPM is just means to > an end, not the goal. And I don't know why Fedora should be tied to RPM > forever. Really successful brands don't die when

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > Yeah, that last point is the real difficult issue, it forces you to keep > the RPM in parallel with the flatpak, unless we were to either change > RPM (yuk), or find a way to auto-generate a RPM wrapper around the flatpak > to pull in it contents. You need to keep the

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > I had to write a script to read the dnf planned transaction log and finish > installing and erasing remaining packages, and manually run any %posttrans > scripts. Such a dnf-complete-transaction script would be a nice addition to DNF. Kevin Kofler

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Michael Stahl wrote: > no, the worst case is this: > > https://www.happyassassin.net/2016/10/04/x-crash-during-fedora-update-when-system-has-hybrid-graphics-and-systemd-udev-is-in-update/ That was a one-time bug that is already fixed. It also affected only systems with hybrid graphics, lots of

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Bastien Nocera wrote: > It's like you didn't listen to the arguments when this feature was > implemented in Fedora years ago, and continue not to. You're wrong, and > the fact that you keep insisting you're not is frankly intellectual > dishonesty. I am using online updates of RPMs all the time.

Blocker bug process proposal: waiving late-discovered blockers to next release

2017-07-17 Thread Adam Williamson
Hi, folks! So, during the blocker review process in the last few cycles, we have several times come up against the unfortunate situation that a bug that in the usual course of events would block a release is discovered extremely late - say the day before the go/no-go meeting - and at least some

[389-devel] Please review: pass 1 gcc 7 shadow warns

2017-07-17 Thread William Brown
https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/issue/49275 https://pagure.io/389-ds-base/issue/raw/ca882e9e8cb106549f4eaad1cc62e4bf96647ba53888ef1879b81a40f3a17146-0001-Ticket-49275-shadow-warnings-for-gcc7-pass-1.patch -- Sincerely, William Brown Software Engineer Red Hat, Australia/Brisbane

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Dusty Mabe wrote: > I'm sure some people are aware but for those who aren't it is worth noting > that we have an entire edition (atomic host) that is built around atomic > updates for rpm content. Atomic updates for "rpm content", but not for actual RPMs, unfortunately, only for blobs composed

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Kevin Kofler
Daniel Walsh wrote: > I read this like containers are something new and interesting. Nope, we are saying they are something new and uninteresting. ;-) > Upstream docker project started this effort a few years ago and the world > has latched onto it. Fedora needs to adjust and become great at >

[Bug 1470205] CVE-2017-10672 perl-XML-LibXML: Use-after-free by controlling the arguments to a replaceChild call [ fedora-all]

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470205 --- Comment #7 from Fedora Update System --- perl-XML-LibXML-2.0129-2.fc26 has been pushed to the Fedora 26 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

[Bug 1471443] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1471440] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-3.28 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 05:02:42PM -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > I think that's probably worthwhile. The way I see it, we have a > large number of users who prefer an entirely RPM-based system, > although most users would be better off with an Atomic system and > just layering a few RPMs on

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Taylor
On Fri, 2017-07-14 at 21:29 +0200, Lars Seipel wrote: > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:26:04PM -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > But we have not been. Very few applications actually have SELinux > > profiles, > > and they are all maintained downstream rather than upstream. The > > volume of > >

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: The problem is that the RPMs that go into the Flatpaks are not FHS- compliant, so the RPMs will have to carry some conditionals and be built twice. Yes, that is true. Some apps will have to be patched for Flatpak,

[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Modularity Office Hours

2017-07-17 Thread nils
Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Modularity Office Hours on 2017-07-18 from 10:00:00 to 11:00:00 US/Eastern At https://meet.jit.si/fedora-modularity The meeting will be about: This is where you ask the Fedora Modularity Team questions (and we try to answer them)! Join us

[Bug 1470205] CVE-2017-10672 perl-XML-LibXML: Use-after-free by controlling the arguments to a replaceChild call [ fedora-all]

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1470205 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System --- perl-XML-LibXML-2.0129-2.fc25 has been pushed to the Fedora 25 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471500 --- Comment #8 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-Runtime-0.015-1.fc25 has been pushed to the Fedora 25 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

[Bug 1471440] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-3.28 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1471443] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471443 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715-1.fc25 has been pushed to the Fedora 25 testing repository. If problems still persist, please make note of it in this bug report. See

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Taylor
On Mon, 2017-07-17 at 17:51 +0200, nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: > > There's a > > burning the ships sort of appeal in that approach, > > Actually, the correct analogy would be "burning platform" (and we all > know how well that ended). I almost certainly should avoid responding to such

[Bug 1471443] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1470205] CVE-2017-10672 perl-XML-LibXML: Use-after-free by controlling the arguments to a replaceChild call [ fedora-all]

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1471440] perl-CPAN-Perl-Releases-3.28 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Owen Taylor
On Sat, 2017-07-15 at 13:43 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:56:34PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > This is only a problem because Flatpak is currently following the > > IMO > > rather busted old Android model. With very few, if any, exceptions, > > I > > think a much

[Bug 1467123] perl-PDF-API2-2.032 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1468565] perl-PDF-API2-2.033 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Daniel Walsh
On 07/17/2017 03:14 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Michael Stahl wrote: On 17.07.2017 19:26, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: On 16.07.2017 12:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Jul 14,

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 17.07.2017 19:26, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: >>> On 16.07.2017 12:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 04:59:37PM +, Debarshi

Re: git - wrong paths in documentation files

2017-07-17 Thread Todd Zullinger
Hi Petr, Petr Stodulka wrote: Hi folks, I am looking at the #1357438 BZ about broken links to "How to*" doc files and I am thinking, about the best solution of this. Problem is with using of %doc macro, which moves/copies doc files to specific directories of each subpackage. However the

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Michael Stahl
On 17.07.2017 19:26, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: >> On 16.07.2017 12:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 04:59:37PM +, Debarshi Ray wrote: On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 09:44:18AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones

git - wrong paths in documentation files

2017-07-17 Thread Petr Stodulka
Hi folks, I am looking at the #1357438 BZ about broken links to "How to*" doc files and I am thinking, about the best solution of this. Problem is with using of %doc macro, which moves/copies doc files to specific directories of each subpackage. However the Makefile expects that will be used

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 07/14/2017 05:04 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 14 July 2017 at 20:28, Andreas Tunek wrote: >> Is this really more reliable than using dnf (for graphical packages >> like Recepies and Builder)? > > It's hugely more reliable. You can't actually trust rpm to do

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 09:48:46AM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 05:17:44PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 03:42:15PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 03:31:30PM -0400, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > > On

Re: Spam

2017-07-17 Thread Naheem Zaffar
I have received a few on the development mailing list. On 17 Jul 2017 6:48 pm, wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> I haven't seen any spam on the devel list. I even checked my spam >> folder. Maybe the messages are being

Re: Spam

2017-07-17 Thread mcatanzaro
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: I haven't seen any spam on the devel list. I even checked my spam folder. Maybe the messages are being sent directly to you, not the list? They're being sent to 389-de...@lists.fedoraproject.org (whatever that is). I

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
"We" in this case is me, my Red Hat colleagues working on GNOME, Fedora Workstation, upstream developers involved in Fedora Workstation and upstream developers who are not involved in Fedora, usually because of answers like this. I'm also fine with you leaving. In fact, that's probably a

Re: Spam

2017-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 17 July 2017 at 13:34, wrote: > Hi, > > Do the list admins have any plans to combat the spammers that are spoofing > Kevin Fenzi to bypass the moderation queue? > We are aware of this and have been dealing with whack-a-mole in trying to fix it. > Could we please at

Re: Spam

2017-07-17 Thread Athos Ribeiro
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:41:13AM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > I haven't seen any spam on the devel list. I even checked my spam folder. > Maybe the messages are being sent directly to you, not the list? I am getting those messages as well :) -- Athos Ribeiro http://www.ime.usp.br/~athoscr

Re: Spam

2017-07-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 07/17/2017 10:34 AM, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: Do the list admins have any plans to combat the spammers that are spoofing Kevin Fenzi to bypass the moderation queue? Could we please at least hold his messages for moderation? Maybe he could manually approve his own messages, as annoying

Spam

2017-07-17 Thread mcatanzaro
Hi, Do the list admins have any plans to combat the spammers that are spoofing Kevin Fenzi to bypass the moderation queue? Could we please at least hold his messages for moderation? Maybe he could manually approve his own messages, as annoying as that would be. Though I don't know what we

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:13:28PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > I strongly dispute the idea that Fedora must be tied to a particular > > > packaging technology. > > > > The particular packaging technology is what ensures that we have

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:03:13PM +0200, Michael Stahl wrote: > On 16.07.2017 12:54, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 04:59:37PM +, Debarshi Ray wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 09:44:18AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > >>> > >>> If RPMs of the graphical

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:13:28PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > I strongly dispute the idea that Fedora must be tied to a particular > > packaging technology. > > The particular packaging technology is what ensures that we have a coherent, > integrated system. Flatpaks

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Bastien Nocera
- Original Message - > > There's a > > burning the ships sort of appeal in that approach, > > Actually, the correct analogy would be "burning platform" (and we all know > how well that ended). > > Flatpacks are an unproven tech that can still crash and burn in the market. > > Even if

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread stan
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:31:54 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > No one is talking about "ripping RPM out of Fedora". I'm glad to hear it. I have a tendency to hyperbole in this noisy world. On 07/10/2017 09:31 PM, Owen Taylor wrote: > > F29: packagers (of graphical

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Richard Hughes
On 17 July 2017 at 15:11, Matthew Miller wrote: >> the whole operating system and no longer can compare the installed >> packages of two machines with a single command > Yeah, I agree that it's important to have a unified management > interface like this. I also agree,

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread nicolas . mailhot
> There's a > burning the ships sort of appeal in that approach, Actually, the correct analogy would be "burning platform" (and we all know how well that ended). Flatpacks are an unproven tech that can still crash and burn in the market. Even if it eventually succeeds crash-landing it in

[Bug 1468565] perl-PDF-API2-2.033 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
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[Bug 1467123] perl-PDF-API2-2.032 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1467123 Fedora Update System changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ON_QA

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 17 July 2017 at 10:10, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 01:17:25PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> These sorts of deep brand issues are why most companies start new >> brands which might look like they are competing with their primary >> one. It

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Jiří Eischmann
stan píše v Po 17. 07. 2017 v 08:02 -0700: > On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:10:16 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > We could look at starting a new brand. But, I don't think your > > Harley-Davidson analogy applies, because we're not using this to > > break > > into a new

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 08:02:10AM -0700, stan wrote: > making an all or nothing bet on a new technology. Once rpm is ripped > out of fedora, it won't be coming back, in practical terms. There's a > burning the ships sort of appeal in that approach, but it isn't the > most prudent path from an

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread stan
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:45:27 +0200 Michael Stahl wrote: > On 16.07.2017 14:10, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > Debarshi Ray wrote: > >> How about reliable online updates of running applications as a > >> benefit? > > > > Upgrading RPM applications online just works. I do it all

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On 07/15/2017 01:43 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 02:56:34PM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: This is only a problem because Flatpak is currently following the IMO rather busted old Android model. With very few, if any, exceptions, I think a much better model would be for an

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread stan
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:10:16 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > We could look at starting a new brand. But, I don't think your > Harley-Davidson analogy applies, because we're not using this to break > into a new market. We're using this to make sure that we remain >

Re: Orphaning: clamav, sphinx, mldonkey

2017-07-17 Thread Christopher Meng
I hope someone can take mldonkey, as I still remember the days patching it to pass the compiler. -- Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng http://cicku.me ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

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Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 04:31:33PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > users which had chosen Fedora because of a single package manager > working without any GUI will dispute with their feet if it goes in a > direction where you no longer can upgrade *everything* with "dnf > distro-sync", no longer can

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 01:17:25PM -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > These sorts of deep brand issues are why most companies start new > brands which might look like they are competing with their primary > one. It can showcase some new identity and get people to see it as > useful or better

[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471500 --- Comment #6 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-Runtime-0.015-1.fc24 has been submitted as an update to Fedora 24. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-8f89173832 -- You are receiving this

[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471500 --- Comment #5 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-Runtime-0.015-1.fc25 has been submitted as an update to Fedora 25. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-f95c5d9fae -- You are receiving this

[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471500 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-Runtime-0.015-1.fc26 has been submitted as an update to Fedora 26. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-6c1aa99ce7 -- You are receiving this

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f24). "perl dependency renamed to perl-interpreter "

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ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f24). "Mandatory Perl build-requires added "

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From 49139228caf2875d7eed3ac6055b94664a3ccb81 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:11:46 +0200 Subject: Mandatory Perl build-requires added ---

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f24). "0.015 bump"

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From ba99222b8b45d0ada156839677cfac8f29543701 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:22:31 +0200 Subject: 0.015 bump --- .gitignore | 1 + perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 28 sources

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f24). "Introduce build-condition for optional tests"

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From 5591d1029cf6320617347d36325dfb6e79fbd454 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:40:05 +0200 Subject: Introduce build-condition for optional tests --- perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 6 ++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f25). "0.015 bump"

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From f0a71a75e2095ea4c68f8f061db1f656b8e9cb50 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:22:31 +0200 Subject: 0.015 bump --- .gitignore | 1 + perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 28 sources

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f25). "perl dependency renamed to perl-interpreter "

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From c772f9993199f2610a9200b92a538d98cb1327ea Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:38:34 +0200 Subject: perl dependency renamed to perl-interpreter

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f25). "Introduce build-condition for optional tests"

2017-07-17 Thread notifications
From 88b121e9eae24e197b740eae22f1739eac8c54ba Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:40:05 +0200 Subject: Introduce build-condition for optional tests --- perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 6 ++ 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f26). "perl dependency renamed to perl-interpreter "

2017-07-17 Thread notifications
From 38c677b23263a4decf36f1a395a44da581fa5db5 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 14:38:34 +0200 Subject: perl dependency renamed to perl-interpreter

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (f26). "0.015 bump"

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From b61338418e9c84469b3d76a17b70f38497d30dd7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:22:31 +0200 Subject: 0.015 bump --- .gitignore | 1 + perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 28 sources

[Bug 1471500] perl-Module-Runtime-0.015 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471500 Petr Pisar changed: What|Removed |Added Status|ASSIGNED|MODIFIED Fixed In

ppisar pushed to perl-Module-Runtime (master). "0.015 bump"

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From 1edf626f3849cf50f700450851d920f18c730b53 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =?UTF-8?q?Petr=20P=C3=ADsa=C5=99?= Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:22:31 +0200 Subject: 0.015 bump --- .gitignore | 1 + perl-Module-Runtime.spec | 28 sources

Re: F27 System Wide Change: Graphical Applications as Flatpaks

2017-07-17 Thread Debarshi Ray
On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:56:26AM +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 10:04:37PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > > On 14 July 2017 at 20:28, Andreas Tunek wrote: > > > Is this really more reliable than using dnf (for graphical packages > > > like

ppisar uploaded Module-Runtime-0.015.tar.gz for perl-Module-Runtime

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jplesnik pushed to perl (f24). "5.22.4 bump"

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From e5b865603532a910b784c8c549965fb391467bef Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:08:09 +0200 Subject: 5.22.4 bump --- .gitignore | 1 + 3-Fix-checks-for-tainted-dir-in-ENV-PATH.patch | 191

jplesnik uploaded perl-5.22.4.tar.bz2 for perl

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d91e86449e86e42657e62f7592675cee73eeef1766fdde6df923702f3b5f30ae82c0e4c847615f3de61acf6ff4e294f763fc0381a9cc044f25debb369415d96b perl-5.22.4.tar.bz2

jplesnik pushed to perl (f26). "Remove unused patch; Fixed version in changelog"

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From a4c750bfc34aefe2be6423af2bc325b5442695e6 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:00:30 +0200 Subject: Remove unused patch; Fixed version in changelog --- 1-Fix-checks-for-tainted-dir-in-ENV-PATH.patch | 185 -

jplesnik pushed to perl (f25). "Remove unused patch; Fixed version in changelog"

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From 5a37dd9fa6bc125ba80d3abf4624e2d04b3ad630 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Jitka Plesnikova Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:56:54 +0200 Subject: Remove unused patch; Fixed version in changelog --- 1-Fix-checks-for-tainted-dir-in-ENV-PATH.patch | 185 -

ppisar set the monitor flag of rpms/perl-Module-Runtime to nobuild

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[Bug 1471443] perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715 is available

2017-07-17 Thread bugzilla
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1471443 --- Comment #4 from Fedora Update System --- perl-Module-CoreList-5.20170715-1.fc24 has been submitted as an update to Fedora 24. https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2017-9d333e0dc1 -- You are receiving

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