Re: swap on ZRAM, zswap, and Rust was: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 6:57 PM Tom Seewald wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Does zswap actually keep the data compressed when the DRAM-based swap is > full, and it writes to the spill-over non-volatile swap device? > > I'm not an expert on this at all, however my understanding was that zswap > must dec

Re: swap on ZRAM, zswap, and Rust was: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-18 Thread Tom Seewald
Hi Chris, Does zswap actually keep the data compressed when the DRAM-based swap is full, and it writes to the spill-over non-volatile swap device? I'm not an expert on this at all, however my understanding was that zswap must decompress the data before it writes to the backing swap. But perhap

Re: swap on ZRAM, zswap, and Rust was: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-18 Thread Chris Murphy
Zbyszek, Do you have any advice on how to assess 'swap on ZRAM' versus 'zswap' by default for Fedora Workstation? They're really too similar from a user point of view, I think it really comes down to the technical arguments. 1a. 'swap on ZRAM' compresses only that which goes to the ZRAM device 1b

Please test varnish-6.0.4-2.fc29

2019-09-18 Thread Ingvar Hagelund
I just submitted a Bodhi update for varnish-6.0.4-2.fc29, [ https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-8a85a90af6 | https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-8a85a90af6 ] It fixes a medium risk security update, VSV3 aka CVE-2019-15892. Please test and add karma. br, I

Fedora-Rawhide-20190918.n.2 compose check report

2019-09-18 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Compose FAILS proposed Rawhide gating check! 4 of 45 required tests failed, 2 results missing openQA tests matching unsatisfied gating requirements shown with **GATING** below Unsatisfied gating requirements that could not be mapped to openQA tests: MISSING: fedora.Wor

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > So... building multilib packages is still very much supported. You cannot > *run* a pure-i686 environment, but you can 32 bit development. You have to configure a slow, non-mirrored repository for that instead of just using the same mirrored URL pattern (with

Re: [EXT] Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
I want to keep "old" stuff in, because there's no reason to drop the support for systems that we already support, if we can do so without breaking anything. On September 18, 2019 7:07:30 PM UTC, "Anderson, Charles R" wrote: >So, not only do you want to keep "old" stuff in Fedora (i686), but now

Renewing the Modularity objective

2019-09-18 Thread Ben Cotton
Now that Modularity is available for all Fedora variants, it's time to address issues discovered and improve the experience for packagers and users. The Modularity team identified a number of projects that will improve the usefulness of Modularity and the experience of creating modules for packager

Re: [EXT] Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Anderson, Charles R
So, not only do you want to keep "old" stuff in Fedora (i686), but now you want to revert/remove "new" stuff (modules) too? I'm beginning to think that Fedora just isn't a good fit for you. On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 06:22:52PM +, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: > Removing modules is a potential so

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 9/18/19 1:38 PM, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: Thank you for this link, looks like there's not a lot of issues, and most are closed. Don't assume closed = fixed. You'll see some of them are closed due to lack of input from the reporter and some are closed due to being reported against EOL ver

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 at 14:32, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: > > These "obsolete" stacks you refer to can easily coexist with newer software, > or newer hardware. They currently do, for example. I really don't understand > why there is so much hostility against anything perceived as being old here.

Retiring u2f-hidraw-policy soon!

2019-09-18 Thread Andrew Lutomirski
u2f-hidraw-policy is obsoleted by an upstream systemd change. Thanks to the systemd people for doing this! I have asked systemd to obsolete u2f-hidraw-policy in all branches when they apply the update: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1753381 and I'll be retiring u2f-hidraw-policy in

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
Thank you for this link, looks like there's not a lot of issues, and most are closed. On September 18, 2019 4:59:33 PM UTC, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >On 9/17/19 7:01 PM, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: >> The thing is, i686 still works. The kernel still builds as well, >without issue. I >> have n

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
These "obsolete" stacks you refer to can easily coexist with newer software, or newer hardware. They currently do, for example. I really don't understand why there is so much hostility against anything perceived as being old here. On September 18, 2019 10:24:31 AM UTC, "Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szm

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
Agreed, especially when there is little to no call for such a thing. For example, Python 2 and Python 3 can and do coexist. i686 builds can coexist with x86_64 builds. On September 18, 2019 9:56:49 AM UTC, Kevin Kofler wrote: >John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: >> These are generic servers. I can prov

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread John M. Harris, Jr.
Removing modules is a potential solution to this, as it would simplify package management. On September 18, 2019 8:29:49 AM UTC, Petr Pisar wrote: >On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Error: >> Problem 1: package crypto-utils-2.5-4.fc29.x86_64 requires >> libperl.so.5.28()(64bit), but no

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Debarshi Ray
Hey, Speaking as someone who understands a little bit of all the pieces involved here, but without claiming to be an expert in anything ... I would expect Flatpak containers to consume Kerberos in roughly the same way as Toolbox [1] containers do. First, the host must be configured to use KCM cr

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Robbie Harwood
mcatanz...@gnome.org writes: > Robbie Harwood wrote: > >> Can you link the bug you've filed about this? > > I don't even know where to file a bug. Which component? kerberos? > xdg-desktop-portal? When filing bugs that you don't know the cause of, it's best to start with the highest level compone

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 9/17/19 7:01 PM, John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: The thing is, i686 still works. The kernel still builds as well, without issue. I have no idea what the issues that have been mentioned are, and I've kept asking. Nobody has given me an answer. Nobody has pointed me to an issue, or I'd be working o

Re: swap on ZRAM, zswap, and Rust was: Better interactivity in low-memory situations

2019-09-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
Hi, thank you for all the testing and comparisons between different approaches. It looks really interesting. > The ideal scenario is to get everyone on the same page, and so far it > looks like systemd's zram-generator, built in Rust, meets all the > requirements. That needs to be confirmed, but

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, 18 Sep 2019, 11:21 Felipe Borges, wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM wrote: > > > > Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question. > > Btw, on Fedora 31, in the Online Accounts list there is a "Fedora" > > voice alongside "Google", "Nextcloud" and so

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:06:21AM -0400, Randy Barlow wrote: > On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 19:15 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > fork it and make Memdora for low memory systems. > > If you make Memdora, then you will also need to think of four values > that start with M: > > Mriends > Mreedom >

Minimization Objective report

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Samalik
This is the Minimization Objective [0] update. Status: Discovery phase == systemd-sysusers == Many packages pull in Systemd because of systemd-sysusers to create new users. This is fine in traditional setups where there already is Systemd, but for containers, that means pulling additional 60MB j

Re: Licensing of the bundled libraries

2019-09-18 Thread Rex Dieter
Michal Schorm wrote: > Hello, > > Q: > Is it needed to explicitly list (or pack) license (files) of a library > that a package bundles? [1] > And if yes, what's the right way to do so? > > The built package only contain 1 binary (and it's manpage and license > file). In this case - when no sourc

Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Licensing of the bundled libraries

2019-09-18 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-18, Michal Schorm wrote: > Is it needed to explicitly list (or pack) license (files) of a library > that a package bundles? [1] If the bundled library code is part of the binary package, then yes, you need to list and to package the license. > And if yes, what's the right way to do so

Minimization Team Meeting notes 2019-09-18

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Samalik
Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.html Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2019-09-18-15.01.txt Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2019-09-18/minimization.2

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-18, Kalev Lember wrote: > Hm, did perl get moved to the modular repo? That sounds like it is going > to cause more issues than solve as it's not a leaf package. Why can't it > stay as a regular package? > Perl is still a regular package and until Fedora allows modules in a build root

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread mcatanzaro
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:43 am, Robbie Harwood wrote: Can you link the bug you've filed about this? I don't even know where to file a bug. Which component? kerberos? xdg-desktop-portal? It's seems less like a bug in any Fedora component, rather something that's never been designed to wor

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-09-18 at 09:15 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 9/17/19 4:04 PM, Mohan Boddu wrote: > > > Since this is a Beta release, we expect that you may encounter bugs or > > missing features. To report issues encountered during testing, contact the > > Fedora QA team via the mailing list or i

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-09-18 at 12:11 +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > On 9/18/19 10:29, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > > - package perl-libs-4:5.28.2-439.module_f31+6019+b24e098f.x86_64 is > > > excluded > > > > Funnily DNF finds out that you could actually get that package

Release rpkg-1.59

2019-09-18 Thread Ondrej Nosek
Hi all, a new version rpkg-1.59 is released. Currently, just Fedora 31 packages are eligible to be moved into the stable repository, feel free to try other waiting distributions in Bodhi. The release contains new features and bug fixes as well. Among considerable new features are new commands to

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Robbie Harwood
mcatanz...@gnome.org writes: > Felipe Borges wrote: > >> The "Fedora" account is just a branded Kerberos account. By adding a >> Fedora account in GNOME Online Accounts you would get automatically >> signed on whenever you'd need to enter your FAS credentials. This >> means while accessing Pagure

Re: systemd-sysusers versus containers

2019-09-18 Thread Troy Dawson
On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 10:34 AM Daniel Walsh wrote: > > On 9/17/19 8:04 AM, Colin Walters wrote: > > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 12:45 PM, Troy Dawson wrote: > >> systemd-sysusers seeks to unify user creation[1]. It also has the > >> benefit of being able to create users on bootup. But, it pulls

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Randy Barlow
On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 19:15 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > fork it and make Memdora for low memory systems. If you make Memdora, then you will also need to think of four values that start with M: Mriends Mreedom Mirst Meatures signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread mcatanzaro
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:18 am, Felipe Borges wrote: The "Fedora" account is just a branded Kerberos account. By adding a Fedora account in GNOME Online Accounts you would get automatically signed on whenever you'd need to enter your FAS credentials. This means while accessing Pagure, particip

Fedora-31-20190918.n.0 compose check report

2019-09-18 Thread Fedora compose checker
No missing expected images. Failed openQA tests: 7/152 (x86_64), 1/2 (arm) New failures (same test not failed in Fedora-31-20190917.n.2): ID: 45 Test: x86_64 Server-dvd-iso server_remote_logging_server URL: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/45 ID: 453334 Test: x86_64 Serve

Fedora 31 compose report: 20190918.n.0 changes

2019-09-18 Thread Fedora Branched Report
OLD: Fedora-31-20190917.n.2 NEW: Fedora-31-20190918.n.0 = SUMMARY = Added images:10 Dropped images: 0 Added packages: 7 Dropped packages:0 Upgraded packages: 131 Downgraded packages: 0 Size of added packages: 147.20 MiB Size of dropped packages:0 B Size

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Michal Schorm
> Featuritis? Actually, do not see any usefulness in any module. *any* module ? Maybe you just haven't met the right use case yet. I maintain packages of MariaDB and MySQL projects. There's no better way I can imagine, to develop two version of the packages of the DB, than modules. Fedora have Mar

orphaning git-remote-bzr

2019-09-18 Thread Petr Stodulka
Hi guys, I am orphaning the git-remote-bzr package. Regarding the repoquery, there are not any other rpms depending on that package. Cheers, -- Petr Stodulka OS & Application Modernization IRC nicks: pstodulk, skytak Senior Software Engineer Red Hat Czech s.r.o. _

Re: Proposal to use repo files in Anaconda environment

2019-09-18 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 8:03 AM Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > > You also have to pre-build your filesystems to have a place to copy > the files into at installation time. If you're going to go to that > much work, why are you bothering with yum? Why not just pre-build and > install a base operating s

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Ernestas Kulik
On Wed, 2019-09-18 at 13:52 +0200, Sheogorath via devel wrote: > On 9/18/19 11:18 AM, Felipe Borges wrote: > > Hi! > > > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM wrote: > > > Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this > > > question. > > > Btw, on Fedora 31, in the Online Accounts list

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 9/18/19 12:11 PM, Kalev Lember wrote: On 9/18/19 10:29, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote:     - package perl-libs-4:5.28.2-439.module_f31+6019+b24e098f.x86_64 is excluded Funnily DNF finds out that you could actually get that package satisfied if you enabled a modula

Re: Proposal to use repo files in Anaconda environment

2019-09-18 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 4:49 AM wrote: > > Hi James, > > On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 09:57 -0400, James Cassell wrote: > > In general, I'd prefer to extend the ks repo command. > > > > My main concern is that the original-ks.cfg or anaconda-ks.cfg might > > no longer provide a complete description of ho

Re: Intent to unretire ladspa-swh-plugins

2019-09-18 Thread Vascom
Can you also unretire and build lv2-mdala-plugins? It is needed for pulseeffects but lv2-mdala-plugins use python2 in build script and I do not have knowledge how to rewrite it to python3. I can only add python2 to BR and correct shebang but it seems wrong because python2 will be erased soon. --

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Sheogorath via devel
On 9/18/19 11:18 AM, Felipe Borges wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM wrote: >> >> Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question. >> Btw, on Fedora 31, in the Online Accounts list there is a "Fedora" >> voice alongside "Google", "Nextcloud" and so on. What is

Licensing of the bundled libraries

2019-09-18 Thread Michal Schorm
Hello, Q: Is it needed to explicitly list (or pack) license (files) of a library that a package bundles? [1] And if yes, what's the right way to do so? The built package only contain 1 binary (and it's manpage and license file). In this case - when no sources are packed - I'd understand that it i

Open NeuroFedora team meeting: 1500 UTC on Thursday, 19th September

2019-09-18 Thread Ankur Sinha
Hello everyone, You are invited to attend the Open NeuroFedora team meeting this week on Thursday at 1500UTC in #fedora-neuro on IRC (Freenode): https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#fedora-neuro You can convert the meeting time to your local time using: $ date --date='TZ="UTC" 1500 next Thu'

[Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Branched 20190918.n.0 nightly compose nominated for testing

2019-09-18 Thread rawhide
Announcing the creation of a new nightly release validation test event for Fedora 31 Branched 20190918.n.0. Please help run some tests for this nightly compose if you have time. For more information on nightly release validation testing, see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:56:49AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: > John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: > > These are generic servers. I can provide a link to the vendor's website > > when I get home. It is not Dell, Lenovo or similar, those are currently > > selling mostly x86_64. Additionally, many users don'

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Kalev Lember
On 9/18/19 10:29, Petr Pisar wrote: On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote: - package perl-libs-4:5.28.2-439.module_f31+6019+b24e098f.x86_64 is excluded Funnily DNF finds out that you could actually get that package satisfied if you enabled a modular Perl. Unfortunatelly DNF does not report

Re: Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Kevin Kofler
John M. Harris, Jr. wrote: > These are generic servers. I can provide a link to the vendor's website > when I get home. It is not Dell, Lenovo or similar, those are currently > selling mostly x86_64. Additionally, many users don't want to buy a new > computer just because a software project made th

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Ismael Olea
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:21 AM Felipe Borges wrote: The "Fedora" account is just a branded Kerberos account. By adding a Fedora account in GNOME Online Accounts you would get automatically signed on whenever you'd need to enter your FAS credentials. Love it. -- Ismael Olea http://olea.or

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread alciregi
On Wed, 2019-09-18 at 11:18 +0200, Felipe Borges wrote: > The "Fedora" account is just a branded Kerberos account. By adding a > Fedora account in GNOME Online Accounts you would get automatically > signed on whenever you'd need to enter your FAS credentials. This > means while accessing Pagure, pa

Re: Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread Felipe Borges
Hi! On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 11:07 AM wrote: > > Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question. > Btw, on Fedora 31, in the Online Accounts list there is a "Fedora" > voice alongside "Google", "Nextcloud" and so on. What is its purpose? The "Fedora" account is just a brande

Fedora in GNOME Online Accountes

2019-09-18 Thread alciregi
Hello, I don't know if this is the right place to ask this question. Btw, on Fedora 31, in the Online Accounts list there is a "Fedora" voice alongside "Google", "Nextcloud" and so on. What is its purpose? Thanks, A. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@list

glassfish-el-3.0.1~b11 license change

2019-09-18 Thread Marián Konček
Since the pre release version ~b11 (last was ~b08) some files in the directory "/api/src/main/java/javax/el" no longer contain two licenses (CDDL and ASL 2.0) but only ASL 2.0. Therefore I am adding ASL 2.0 as an additional license. -- Marián Konček ___

python-asgiref license change

2019-09-18 Thread Miro Hrončok
The license of python-asgiref has been changed from "BSD" to "BSD and ASL 2.0" (due to bundling). https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-asgiref/c/cb241f277fdc2f3042dfade0b942df8c6a7acd0f?branch=master -- Miro Hrončok -- Phone: +420777974800 IRC: mhroncok

Re: Proposal to use repo files in Anaconda environment

2019-09-18 Thread jkonecny
Hi James, On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 09:57 -0400, James Cassell wrote: > In general, I'd prefer to extend the ks repo command. > > My main concern is that the original-ks.cfg or anaconda-ks.cfg might > no longer provide a complete description of how a particular system > was installed, so it'd like th

Re: About OCaml 4.08.1 final for F31 and rebuild tracking

2019-09-18 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 09:47:49AM +0800, Robin Lee wrote: > Hi, Richard! > > Any plan to push 4.08.1 final to F31? Unfortunately the scripts I use to do the whole rebuild cannot cope with updates and overrides, so I can only run them against Rawhide, so no. I need to rewrite them anyway because

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-09-18 Thread jkonecny
Hi Kevin, Thanks for the explanation. See my comments below. On Tue, 2019-09-17 at 09:28 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On 9/17/19 8:04 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 17. 09. 19 17:00, jkone...@redhat.com wrote: > > > If that is not doable what about taking last Rawhide compose and > > > mark > > > t

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Petr Pisar
On 2019-09-18, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Error: > Problem 1: package crypto-utils-2.5-4.fc29.x86_64 requires > libperl.so.5.28()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed >- package crypto-utils-2.5-4.fc29.x86_64 requires > perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_5.28.0), but none of the providers can

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 31 Beta Release Announcement

2019-09-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 9/17/19 4:04 PM, Mohan Boddu wrote: Since this is a Beta release, we expect that you may encounter bugs or missing features. To report issues encountered during testing, contact the Fedora QA team via the mailing list or in #fedora-qa on Freenode. Some not so pleasant results: # dnf system

Re: Add a rule to have a compose when Fedora branched

2019-09-18 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 17. 09. 19 v 18:28 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): Branching is not just "oh, make a new compose". There's a ton of steps/work that happens then, including: * Making a new branch on all active rpms * Switching to a new signing key in rawhide. * New pungi-fedora config, new comps, new kickstarts. * Se