es from the side-tag to Rawhide next week.
>
> [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-8a41ea93a2
The update failed a couple of openQA tests. I will take a closer look
into the reason in the morning, I'm busy reneedling things for the GTK
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> On Mon, 2024-04-22 at 11:04 -0400, Kaleb Keithley wrote:
> > Coming soon.
> >
> > Updating to Arrow 16.0.0
>
> Thanks for the minimal notice, but that is not how this is supposed to
> be done.
>
y librgw2
. libarrow.so also had its soname bumped, and that is required by
groonga-libs and root-tree-dataframe . A bunch of other libraries were
also bumped but on a quick look appear not to be required by anything
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you
cannot use 3D passthrough with this adapter, if you select this adapter
but check the 3D passthrough box, vbox will silently switch back to
'VMSVGA', so be careful...), both desktops work fine and install fine.
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my partner needed his computer back, but I'll try it later :P I'm
testing on an HP all-in-one with Intel graphics running Windows 11
23H2.
Sound was fine on VirtualBox. On VMWare it plays
orted issues
- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk4/+bug/2061118 .
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ing weird with it, not just a 'normal' "bring up this
interface for me with DHCP" kinda thing.
The removal of the network service should still be treated as its own
significant operation, not a natural consequence of the removal of
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On Sat, 2024-04-13 at 18:17 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 06:00:41PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > This should have been an announced Change. This is a significant
> > > change with wide impact.
> >
> > I've filed a bug, proposed i
On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 19:03 -0500, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 4:41 PM Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> >
> > Michel Lind just prompted me to notice that the 'network' service
> > appears to have been removed from initscripts in Fedora 40+. This
> &g
On Fri, 2024-04-12 at 14:40 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> unnoticed. There *are* still reasons to use the network service; I
> still use it on the openQA worker hosts, for instance, because there is
> integration between openvswitch and the legacy network service, but no
> integra
-engineer this rather
complicated network setup without network.service, but a bit more of a
heads up would have been nice.
Should this have been a Change? How worried are we about it going out
in Fedora 40 without having been through the Change process?
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th Yubikeys and my own backup-in-the-cloud mechanism. I was
> just sharing an option just in case it could serve someone that is
> hesitating by giving some ideas :).
For sure, whatever works for you is always the best way :)
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ary phone, use it to recover.
Also, these days, most authenticator apps support some kind of backup
mechanism. FreeOTP lets you back up to a file (which you should, of
course, keep somewhere safe and ideally encrypted). Google
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An update on this: we have RC-1.13 coming in a few hours, but it just
fixes some filenames and updates uboot-tools from the RC to the final
release. Most 1.12 testing will be valid, so please continue to test
1.12 while 1.13 is cooking. At Go/No-Go tomorrow we'll decide whether
to
info (releng), adjusting tests (qe)?
potentially we can be involved in this, yes. I did not have time to
look at it yet because of F40 release.
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section? That would also mean it should be on the
> front page too, like the other Editions.
Being an Edition is a very significant thing, though, as we conceive of
Fedora more widely than just the download page. We put a bunch of hoops
in the way of IoT and CoreOS becoming editions, and the
bug this (because the system is suspended, heh).
>
We do use dnf-automatic quite extensively within infra, I think. Has
this been discussed with infra?
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nload option for
openSUSE is their "Offline image" (equivalent of our old Everything
DVD), and the top item in the list of possible "roles" for the system
(effectively the choice we are discussing here) is "Desktop with KDE
Plasma" (at least in the screenshot in the install guid
ad page much more
opinionated. AFAIR, the numbers Matthew tracks strongly indicate this
was associated with a very significant immediate bump in Fedora usage.
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On Wed, 2024-04-03 at 00:15 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > It occurs to me - maybe you don't agree, but this is how it looks to me
> > - that, ironically, you and I usually argue the exact *opposite* side
> > of this case, no? I argue i
y ultimate
outcome. Change proposals can be, and frequently are, rejected.
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both lists are Rex Dieter and Than Ngo, neither of whom is an owner of
this Change proposal.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SIGs/KDE=239023
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On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 23:37 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > * Deleting ALL files automatically generated or imported by autotools in
> > > %prep, THEN running "autoreconf -i -f". (DO NOT trust autoreconf, it
> > > would NO
On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 08:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Hi folks! I just discovered this so I'm still investigating it, but
> wanted to give a quick heads-up.
>
> It looks like the message consumers on openqa01 all broke on Saturday
> when a fedora-messaging update landed. Thi
On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 12:16 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 1 2024 at 10:12:55 AM -07:00:00, Adam Williamson
> wrote:
> > This is not really correct, or at least at all relevant. The bug
> > wasn't
> > in F40 Beta simply because the update never m
you very likely got the vulnerable
package and should take appropriate action. We should not confuse this
with unnecessary verbiage about stable and testing and pre-Beta and
post-Beta.
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y of the
sophistication" - the technical elements were also pretty
sophisticated). But I don't see why that leads to bikeshedding about
whether this is a "supply chain" attack or not. Why is a "social
engineering attack" not a supply chain attack, but a "technical attack&
all*, and is only made available to the test phase.
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On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 10:56 +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 07:54:08PM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > Maybe this needs to go on the growing pile of reasons why the
> > > traditional Linux model *d
On Mon, 2024-04-01 at 08:53 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> as a stopgap I
> will manually trigger submission of all reports from the last couple of
> days shortly.
correction: I won't do this right away, as there would be a flood of
duplicate reports if I did then fix the consumers. I
.
Also affected: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/nightlies.html and
.json are not getting updated, validation test events are not being
created, check-compose emails not being generated, possibly something
else I've forgotten.
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On Sun, 2024-03-31 at 20:27 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > What WOULD have greatly reduced the impact of this attack:
> > * NOT enabling updates-testing by default for Branched releases.
>
> This would only have helped by coincidence - the coincidence that the
> comp
hardening, of course. I am just not convinced it is the most useful
thing Fedora could be doing right now in the general area of "supply
chain hardening".
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On Sun, 2024-03-31 at 20:12 +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I would argue there's a danger of getting too tied up in very specific
> > technical details of this attack.
>
> But the fact is:
>
> What WOULD have stopped this attack: (on
vide
people with a much stronger motivation to contribute and make the
experience of it better. So long as we let people not use it, that
motivation does not exist. I suspect if we just did it, we'd get a more
sophisticated experience with Kerber
that are not primarily the
responsibility of the distributor, in the supply chain.
Maybe this needs to go on the growing pile of reasons why the
traditional Linux model *does* need to go away. Maybe Fedora, with its
foundation of First, should be kind of at the forefront of making that
essarily primarily our responsibility, and I would
argue is definitely not the *lowest* hanging fruit if we take a broader
view of "what should we as a project be doing to raise the difficulty
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but it is not hard to imagine that a malicious packager may be
interested in using the same effect intentionally for evil, and they
would obviously be careful to try and set things up such that this
would *not* cause anything easily noticeable as a quality defect.
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y maintaining it[0].
These are just the ones that leap to my tired mind at this moment. I'm
sure we can think of many more things we should probably look at before
we start pontificating (or, worse, lecturing) about how things should
be done upstream of us.
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e dist-git repo at
that commit:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-repos/tree/b0be9579a9b45a44bc2e30fbd7d5ef4a268f05a2
. Note this line:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-repos/blob/b0be9579a9b45a44bc2e30fbd7d5ef4a268f05a2/f/fedora-repos.spec#_2
. QED. updates-testing is enabled by default in Fedora 40 B
rk. The
'releng.py' script that "generates the critical path" is really just a
comps-informed depsolver that spits out JSON. It could generate all
kinds of groups besides "critical path" groups. We'd just have to wire
them up to *mean*...whatever we want them to mean.
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be readable, but I'll try...
Oh, and we can't easily fix the URL of the blog post, apparently,
because CMSes suck. It seems we're more less stuck with the "41" in
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> release before freeze happens.
>
> Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for
> (instant) karma ...
You still have a week until next Tuesday, so...yes.
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useful and can mostly be transferred to 1.9, but you might want to wait
6-7 hours for 1.9 to show up before starting testing.
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k explicitly.
> If it was intentional, I'll adjust my workflow
> accordingly.
This probably wasn't intentional, and we can probably get it put
back...
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rning (again US time) to decide if there's any realistic
prospect of a go decision on Thursday, and run a new candidate if so.
Otherwise we may hold fire for a bit to let things settle and land some
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On Fri, 2024-03-01 at 13:27 -0600, Jason Tibbitts wrote:
> > > > > > Adam Williamson writes:
>
> > Honestly, we could really use more automation here, but it's a fairly
> > hard thing to do *reliably* and there just isn't anybody specifically
> > tasked wit
t
critical path packages *and* happen to involve a package that actually
gets installed during an openQA test. The CI rpmdeplint test is
supposed to cover this, I think, but historically hasn't proven
reliable enough to be made universally gating (and I think maybe only
w
m the side
tag.
I think it'd make sense these days for `fedpkg chain-build` to
*default* to creating a new side tag and doing the builds there
automatically (and then maybe creating an update when they're all
done), so I filed https://pagure.io/fedpkg/issue/540 for that.
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> Hey folks! Just an update on an issue I know some packagers are running
> into.
>
> In the last few days, some Fedora CI jobs have been getting stuck and
> timing out. Packagers will usually experience this as a test r
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bump
re2 and do a new build on the side tag, then ask maintainers of
dependencies and/or provenpackagers to rebuild the dependencies on the
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gt; POSTIN scriptlet in rpm package dbus-common
>
>
> But /bin/sh is present and runnable when I try in /mnt/sysroot (the log shows
> that bash was just installed as well).
>
> Anyone else hitting this?
Yes, someone else is, when installing in VirtualBox:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show
On Mon, 2024-02-19 at 23:28 +, Leslie Satenstein via devel wrote:
> 4) After logging in, the keyboard layouts(user and root) are correct.
> It is only the login screen.
This is https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2264930 .
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permanently. I've rebooted that host and it's
picking up the backlog now, it should work through it over the next few
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le we can figure out how to take another cut
at this (I'm not sure exactly what the procedure is to get a side tag
update like this edited and retagged, we may *possibly* have to create
a new side tag, tag all the existing builds onto that, add a webkitgtk
build, and create a new update?)
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> # F39 Blocker Review meeting
> # Date: 2024-02-12
> # Time: 17:00 UTC
> # Location:
> https://matrix.to/#/#blocker-review:fedoraproject.org?web-instance[element.io]=chat.fedoraproject.org
Of course, this should say 'F40'
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t; - approved of the KDE
SIG's decision to stop maintaining Plasma X11. I can't speak for FESCo,
but if I had been on FESCo, I don't think I would've had in my mind
"approving this Change creates a ban on anybody at all maintaining
Plasma X11 packages in Fedora" when voting on it.
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regenerate the base disk images so they're up
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build from *a different branch*
*temporarily*. It says nothing about allowing a new Rawhide build to be
lower versioned than the previous one.
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ion". So
it'll use a release like 0.(date)git(tag).(rel). If your snapshot is a
post-release snapshot, you need to provide %autorelease with more cues
about how to version it to get the desired effect. This is the problem
for vim-devicons and patool.
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in
before pushing out version bumps.
If the "upgraded" build never made it into a compose (as is likely the
case for python-pywlroots) you're *probably* okay, but it's still
something to be careful about - for instance you might fall into the
trap golang-google-grpc fell into with t
- theoretically, a bad
change to the package could cause all sorts of consequences, since it
fiddles with the default prompt.
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https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/shell-color-prompt/c/1dd8c6c16d760cacfb9fd70a249b28a1fd853dd1?branch=rawhide
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not.
As this is not a critical part of the test, I have just disabled it
until the FAS outage is resolved, and re-run the failed tests. Affected
updates should be unblocked soon. Sorry for the trouble.
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we'll
be on Matrix.
If anyone has any other items for the agenda, please reply to this
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== Proposed Agenda Topics ==
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in their row. Non-gating tests do not.
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On Mon, 2024-01-08 at 13:57 -0500, Ben Cotton wrote:
> On 08-01-2024 17:16, Adam Williamson wrote:
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> > Doing it this way was Ben's preference (he wanted to be able to see
> > that every bug was updated and get a notice from the script for any
> > singl
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>
> There also used to be Rawhide bugs reassigned to latest stable Fedora, I
> might have missed something, but I don't think that has happened.
I don't think that's quite right. What happens is that Rawhide bugs get
moved to the *new branched* (not stable) release, and naturally
t have to check with the BZ admin whether
there's any upper limit on how many bugs you can request a mass change
to at once.
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iptlet did not want to do anything after that.
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for any future major Erlang
bump? Thanks. It looks like we will need to update rabbitmq to 3.12 for
it to stand any chance of working in 39 or Rawhide. I will see if
that's a straightforward change next, and try to send a PR if so.
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and suggest them! Thanks.
== Proposed Agenda Topics ==
1. Previous meeting follow-up
2. Fedora 40 check-in
3. Communications overhaul: Discourse and Matrix?
4. Test Day / community event status
5. Open floor
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he Change process.
If you file a Change, I think all that will happen is that a lot more
bureaucracy will happen before somebody says "hey, we'd better ask
nforro about this" anyway. :D
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