On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 05:17:43PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
True. As far as GNOME goes, though, whenever you suggest 'bulletproof
session management', they say 'that's what suspend is for'...
I'd like to see proper session management. However, the existing
X protocol is terrible (a KDE'er
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:25:11AM -0700, les wrote:
Also one of the things we (linux folk) decry about most proprietary
packages is in fact the arbitrary encoding of information in proprietary
formats. Add in the fact that storage is relatively cheap today, and it
would seem that having all
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:54:22AM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Lack of communication lol those RH storage developers could have.
A) subscribed to the Anaconda developers list to monitor changes
relevant to their setup as anyone else affected by any upstream
changes ( this got
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:12:27AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
For example, the same thing happened with Gnome 3 upstream where a lot
of developers left the project due to a lack of a real vision or
direction.
Please don't rely in rant-like blog posts for your source of
information. In my
On Sat, Dec 08, 2012 at 05:31:54PM +0100, Michael Scherer wrote:
I would also add that if the switch to gnome 3 made enough people leave
the project, they would have gone to mate, and afaik, no one coding on
mate has a @gnome.org email. In fact, mate do take a lot of commits from
gnome :
Some
On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 12:43:02PM -0500, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
We would like to replace MySQL with MariaDB in early development cycle for
Fedora 19. MySQL will continue to be available for at least one release, but
MariaDB will become the default. Also, we do not intend to support concurrent
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 02:27:42PM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Mon 28 Jan 2013 02:17:29 PM EST, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Going away isn't the correct phrase. The UI of Fallback Mode is going
to transition to a new feature called Classic Mode. It's an official
feature of Gnome 3.8.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:13:34AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
Let's see how lightweight, bug free and usable it is. Why don't you just
merge the 3 projects instead of wasting your time? We could all work
together.
MATE developers actually have GNOME git accounts now.
There could be different
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 04:36:22AM -0800, Dan Mashal wrote:
On Tuesday, January 29, 2013, Olav Vitters wrote:
MATE developers actually have GNOME git accounts now.
I know that.
GNOME classic is not the same as a fallback mode.
I am skeptical.
That is not what I meant. Fallback
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 03:47:33PM -0500, Simo Sorce wrote:
When I install a freeipa server I do not want firstboot because I am not
going to create local users anyway. I am going to install freeipa and
then create users in LDAP.
So far I just skipped firstboot by using tricks, like telling
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote:
From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that
either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown speaks for
itself.
I saw this negativity was also on Phoronix, where someone else commented
in a similar way:
Are
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 10:06:51AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.01.2013 09:55, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 04:23:43PM -0500, TK009 wrote:
From where I sit, I am not convinced the Gnome team did any of that
either beyond lip service. 6 versions to return shutdown
On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 11:05:21PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
As all such schemes it works as long as you ignore the fact that apps
process data and communicate with other apps.
That's not being overlooked. Probably the presentation already addresses
this concern.
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On Mon, Nov 04, 2013 at 06:19:48PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I disagree with the premise that to get anywhere, we would need to bend over
backwards to the proprietary market and adopt their inferior software
distribution strategies. If that were true, we could give up right here,
we'd have
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 12:56:47PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
bad outcome as low as possible. Let's just try it and see what
happens! is not a mature approach to risk management.
Ehr, instead of promoting something as supported, just start off slow.
Call if alpha, write down all the
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:59:00AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
In short: Make the defaults as sane as possible, but still allow the user to
change them if they disagree with you on what is sane. The more options,
the better.
The definition given by Frank Murphy is totally different and
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:00:16AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on the
various bundling techniques that were explored and the API/ABI guarantees
we want to offer? I'll stop short of paraphrasing you.
On Tue, Nov 05, 2013 at 01:23:01PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
So let me step into my handy Tardis and bring back a vignette from the
Real World after Fedora and other distributions bless upstream app
distribution as a preferred channel:
Could you give some practical programs which are
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:25:29AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
But many of those concerns are inherent to the concept of sandboxed
applications or the methods of delivery they'd enable and cannot possibly
be addressed, ever. The whole concept is fatally flawed.
I'd suggest trying a different
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 12:35:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
I think users will not understand why all the vendor repositories with non-
free crap are there and the stuff they are actually looking for is not.
Whether or not proprietary is crap or not is offtopic.
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On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 07:26:48PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
places - _the_ distribution, _the_ app store, _the_ amazon.com. And
the difficulty of getting a set of bits to amazon.com / an app store /
a RPM is very similar.
If one will immediately solve it for multiple distributions, then
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote:
Has this sanboxed-bundled-from-upstream proposal been discussed with
other distributions? If the final result is that the Universal Linux
Package only works in Fedora we are not gaining anything.
A lot of this is being based on
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the distribution
is based upon systemd.
That means it will exclude the most popular distribution out there.
I fail to see the point of discussing non
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 04:01:09AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Well yes, each time you try to force a change through which actually makes
things worse, there WILL be resistance. In fact, this is already what is
happening in this thread, the app proposal coming from (parts of) the
Workstation
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:50:59AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 01:00:16AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Might not want to put answers in people's mouths. Did you read up on
the various bundling techniques that were explored
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 11:33:57AM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote:
2013/11/7 Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you the
distribution
is based upon systemd
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 02:28:09PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I fail to see the point of discussing non-GNOME-specific problems on a
GNOME development list. A bit more logical to include people who actually
work on non-GNOME software and don't want to discuss non-GNOME app
distribution on a
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 10:45:29AM +, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:17:28 +0100
Olav Vitters o...@vitters.nl wrote:
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:53:48AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
AFAIK (not sure), it should come somewhat easy once you
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 12:58:37PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote:
On 11/06/2013 11:30 PM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Wed, Nov 06, 2013 at 10:55:30PM +0100, Sergio Pascual wrote:
Has this sanboxed-bundled-from-upstream proposal been discussed with
other distributions? If the final result
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 08:57:06AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
Which basically says that the working group is going to work on that.
There's actually 0 technical details on how the implemetation will work
out, or even if it will.
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 04:06:04PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Peter Robinson wrote:
I don't see many people forcing things through, I believe that the vast
majority of contributors either like the change or aren't bothered by it.
Ah, the silent majority hypothesis, always a fun argument to
On Thu, Nov 07, 2013 at 03:45:13PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Maybe that's because Coprs were never announced with huge rants about
market-share and how Fedora packaging sucked and was irrelevant?
I'm pretty sure you're misunderstanding what people are saying if you
think above. What I wrote
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 05:51:22PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
GNOME has a few 'preferred apps' settings left but I don't think they're
exposed in the UI anywhere. There are the following dconf keys:
Settings → Details → Default applications
No terminal option though.
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:50:11PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh, hey, look. That place is rapidly becoming the 'crap, we don't know
where to put this' dumping ground for GNOME 3, isn't it?
It has been there since 3.0 AFAIK, so rapidly becoming is incorrect.
Anyway, calling design decisions
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 10:33:09PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-17 at 05:33 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 12:50:11PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
Oh, hey, look. That place is rapidly becoming the 'crap, we don't know
where to put this' dumping ground
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 01:42:42PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
(anything they could do in shell scripts, but not they can't). This will
feel good, right? You will be such an important guy!
I think most lurkers have understood you seem to have some personal
issues with Lennart. Please still
On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 01:22:25PM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote:
gnome3 was not driven by user feedbak. It was driven by getting vendors
to install it on factory shipped netbooks.
Latter is not true.
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On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 07:50:58PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Mon, 11.07.11 13:20, Steve Dickson (ste...@redhat.com) wrote:
they are handling the systemd conversation... What other
distro are planing to use it?
I lost track of this a bit, but MeeGo already switched, and
On Mon, Jun 04, 2012 at 08:44:38AM -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
Its not his ignorance - he's on vacation for the next two weeks...
Brian replied to Lennart 7 minutes after Lennart's e-mail and mine was
an hour after that as a pretty good indication Lennart was
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 09:20:59PM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:
+ 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch ( to export menus through DBus, this
one is still used, and if I understood correctly, this is currently
the only remnant of non-upstreamed patches and I believe it was
declined by GTK+ upstream,
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:47:11PM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
Also, 30 GiB in .cache/tracker is a bit extreme when rest of my ~ is 4 GiB.
Tracker should only index a few standard directories ($HOME without
subdirectories, ~/Documents, etc). What does it index on your machine?
Is that the
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:09:07PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
I suppose I have to go to the gnome lists and raise Cain about this
kind of fundamental mis-engineering?
If you want bugs to be fixed, then please file bugreports. Tracker
should NOT have a noticeable impact on performance (in the
On Thu, Jan 05, 2012 at 09:17:16AM +0100, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
~ without recurse, and standard XDG directories in ~ with recurse.
In ~/Documents I have 4GiB of mostly .c source files in various revisions,
for a total of 189833 files. In other directories I have 5 photos in .jpg,
and couple of
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:11:06AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Yes, I'm arguing that the feature is undesirable by design and should not
have been approved, not for Fedora 17, not for Fedora 18, not even for
Fedora 31337.
It has been approved, other distributions are following. It is very
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 08:07:11AM -0500, Steve Clark wrote:
On 02/10/2012 05:28 AM, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 01:11:06AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Yes, I'm arguing that the feature is undesirable by design and should not
have been approved, not for Fedora 17, not for Fedora
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 12:49:32PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote:
On 26 March 2012 11:58, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice if the rawhide stream was built at the same time as
well as not doing so has the effect of people trying to work with
rawhide as well get
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 02:22:21PM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
Normally I try not to do this, but: what he said.
Vincent Untz asked for a show of hands of people who used GNOME 2, GNOME
3, switched, etc. Recommend seeing the FOSDEM video. Loads of people
indicated that they use GNOME 3, though less
On Mon, Feb 04, 2013 at 09:28:16PM -0800, Eric Bergen wrote:
Success! I've switched over to Cinnamon. The start style menu is back
and I am happy. I'm sure I could get used to gnome-shell but my first
experience wasn't a good one.
To add:
- Cinnamon was forked from gnome-shell, so any slowness
On Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 08:06:51PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
what makes me rellay angry (as one who never used and will use
GNOME and i knew GNOME 1.0 and KDE 1.0 as well where most users
of today not heard about linux at all) is that the GNOME developers
did NOT learn ANYTHING by the KDE4.0
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 12:04:44AM +0100, Rave it wrote:
Your look in a crystal ball is far away from reality like the topic
himself.
Pls, give more to laugh.
and stay close to facts instead of posting your personal
perspective.
This doesn't help us really.
Pot calling the kettle
On Wed, Feb 06, 2013 at 11:13:48AM -0500, Pavel Simerda wrote:
I wouldn't ask specific people to actually work on it. But it would be
nice if the core developers provided more support, feature stability
and API stability. To ask them to actively encourage alternative GUIs
and allow them to be
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is a completely different target
audience for GNOME 2 vs GNOME 3.
I am that datapoint.
As are various others during FOSDEM (Vincent
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 08:35:56PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
Le Ven 8 février 2013 13:22, Olav Vitters a écrit :
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 10:34:58AM +0100, Stijn Hoop wrote:
I am providing a datapoint that directly contradicts your original
statement, namely that there is a completely
On Fri, Feb 08, 2013 at 11:21:49PM +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
I stand by my statement that this was a very awkward moment, with Vincent
and the GNOME team radiating unhappiness and pretty much everyone else
being perplexed and wondering whether they should take offence at being
accused of
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 03:46:57PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Michael Scherer wrote:
Gnome-shell is not mean to be used nor appropriate for a mobile phone.
And despite being rather usable on a touch screen ( I tested ), it is
still not sufficient there for 1 million of details ( Vincent
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 05:38:46PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
The only thing I can think of is that people turning their back on you,
not looking at you when you are asked to raise your hand on something
they worked on, this might be intimidating to some people.
I was not one of these,
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 10:22:41AM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
drago01 wrote:
There is no easy way to install applications (regular user don't want
to mess up with packages).
Huh? Fire up gnome-packagekit or Apper, choose your app, make 2 or 3 clicks
(install, apply, confirm dependencies
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:54PM +0100, Trond Hasle Amundsen wrote:
Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes:
Somewhat funny that many users even don't know this tweak tool and ask
everywhere about this..
I always found it odd that gnome-tweak-tool even exists.. some
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:03:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Having a separate tweak tool is a lame workaround for lack of settings in
the official tools. The only reason such tweak tools exist on proprietary
operating systems is because the proprietary companies don't want to
officially
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:12:32AM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 03:03:44PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Having a separate tweak tool is a lame workaround for lack of settings in
the official tools. The only reason such tweak tools exist on proprietary
operating systems
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end users.
The GNOME release notes over various cycles have listed loads of changes
which have been made based on
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 01:30:02PM +0100, Mario Torre wrote:
Il giorno dom, 10/02/2013 alle 14.47 +0100, Olav Vitters ha scritto:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 01:28:54PM +0100, Trond Hasle Amundsen wrote:
Christopher Meng cicku...@gmail.com writes:
Somewhat funny that many users even
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 01:30:29PM +0100, Mario Torre wrote:
This argument doesn't really work, either.
Care to provide any argumentation? At the moment if that were true, I'd
could just refer to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_pot_calling_the_kettle_black
But actually I explained myself.
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 08:07:23AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
On 02/08/2013 01:39 PM, drago01 wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:47 AM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote:
Gnome3 and Gnome2's GUI working principles are entirely different and
therefore are catering the demands of
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:18:09PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
I don't get why you reply to me. It seems anything people do is just
bad.
No tweak tool: bad
A tweak tool: bad
Strawman…
What I actually mean is:
Completely hidden or absent settings (no tweak tool
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:20:04PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
PS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweak_UI
It was written by one individual employee and released as an unsupported
tool. It'd have been a third-party tool if the author didn't happen to be an
M$ employee
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end, more than any usability quibbles, the best reason to give
up on a project is when it refuses to listen to its end
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 03:50:56PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 12.02.2013 15:47, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:31AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 11.02.2013 11:31, schrieb Olav Vitters:
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 07:59:22PM +, Ian Malone wrote:
In the end
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 06:20:52PM -0800, Samuel Sieb wrote:
My understanding is that the session list is dependent on the user
selected. At least the default session is, so it made sense to wait
until a user is chosen before showing the list.
Using this you can show the correct default
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 12:15:10AM +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
What about users *without* password? It's insecure (in most cases), but
possible.
That is a known tradeoff/bug. IMO this is a case of 'it hurts when I do
this'. Tradeoff is how often you have a nicer experience (showing the
right
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 02:14:30PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Olav Vitters wrote:
1. Show sessions before selecting/entering the user:
Means basically including something like 'default session' or
'previous session'
That's how the rest of the world does it…
2. Show sessions
On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 07:18:04PM +0100, Miloslav Trmač wrote:
Some of the things we want to achieve:
* Make rawhide to be reliably installable and usable by developers by
coherently introducing changes.
Mageia packages libraries by the .so major version. So you can upgrade a
library and then
On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 12:28:51PM +0100, Dario Lesca wrote:
There is some way to test new version of gnome on Fedora 18?
Thanks
The GNOME live image is currently based on Fedora (without the
branding). So you could copy this to some USB stick and test that:
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 09:56:57AM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
On 03/12/2013 09:33 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 12.03.13 09:13, Steve Clark (scl...@netwolves.com) wrote:
You know: *you* might not need fast boot. *Your* systems you might not
reboot only every other week. *Your* server
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
On 03/12/2013 02:23 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
but the better option for us all would be if people with
this attitude switch to these operating systems instead
damage slowly what we know as UNIX-LIKE system
I *completely* *detest*
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 11:14:05AM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On 03/13/2013 09:23 AM, Ian Malone wrote:
Then you have good students. Are teens and pre-teens fedora's main
target audience now? I'm really not sure what it is anymore.
Is there any good reason to exclude them?
I started
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 03:14:01PM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
I haven't seen systems that boot in less than 6 seconds (and by boot I
mean power-on to login prompt). Maybe they exist, but that is not my
experience with common hardware.
At FOSDEM they demonstrated 2 seconds for kernel +
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:20:21AM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
It's unfortunately demoware. While the LinuxBIOS project has optimized
BIOS on a few systrems, server grade hardware can take up to five
minutes simply to get past all the Power-On-Self-Test operations. And
just because the
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 12:12:54PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
+1
-1
Or in other words: This is not Google+, please don't quote entire
emails. I do remember the AOL time. An argument can stand on itself
without a popularity vote.
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2013 at 09:15:45AM +0200, poma wrote:
As stated in the attach.
For bugs please use Bugzilla (attach the patch there).
Also, in mailing list please send a new email instead of replying to an
existing email. Many people on mailing lists use software that'll still
show your email
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 09:51:22AM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
On 05/04/2013 12:30 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 11:24:01PM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
Matthew, with all due respect the tone of the bug doesn't make me think
that there is a lot of interest in discussion
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 12:03:39AM -0500, Eric Sandeen wrote:
Anaconda has a pretty special place in this project. It is the
uber-administrator of every new Fedora install. We would do better
as a community to hash out major changes before they're made, and
try to reach some agreement before
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:03:02PM -0700, Dan Mashal wrote:
Let's be realistic here. The precedence they have recently set is they
make decisions and if you don't like it too bad.
Even if that is true, what is your point?
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On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:23:33PM +0200, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
What's inappropriate is giving instructions to others what they can,
or can not say.
Even better would be to take this sort of stuff off list asap.
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On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 03:13:28PM -0500, Billy Crook wrote:
I would love to see the day systemd is as polished, ubiquitous, and
robust as smtp. But until that happens, nobody is helped by removing
MTA from the default install. We're not there yet, and theres no
systemd and SMTP are not
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:57:15AM -0400, Fulko Hew wrote:
But, personally, I agree with billycr...@gmail.com...
On the servers I run, and the server applications I've written,
the use of email is mandatory and the use of an MTA is the
best, most-efficient way to deal with the email.
I
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 01:32:22PM +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Fedora the project which means two entirely separated
infrastructures. yeah sure these two might be communicating heavily
between themselves unless ofcourse you want to risk issues from
either the company or the project
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 03:27:21PM -0500, Mukundan Ragavan wrote:
Isn't it best for the project as a whole to have the bar for proven
packager high? :)
I think it is detrimental. If someone has loads of time to do bugfixes
across packages, let them. I do loads and loads of trivial bugfixes (not
On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 10:16:41AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 13.06.2014 10:15, schrieb Richard Hughes:
On 12 June 2014 16:54, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
DNF is a fork of YUM and pretends to be compatible
and if it finally replaces YUM it's just a new
generation of
On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 02:52:51PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
What does this tell you? :-)
[..]
Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 11:46:48AM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
Actually, I've ran into a few cases now where upstream has removed
essential workflow features and I think we should make it clear to
upstream that we are deviating from them unless they re-focus on user
freedom. For example:
[..]
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 03:21:17PM +0330, Hedayat Vatankhah wrote:
Summary: I have a proposal to make it easier for maintainers to have
multiple versions of the same library in distro (by making it *naturally*
Mageia has something, but only meant to transition from one library
version to the
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