Re: Is PulseAudio dead?

2010-08-02 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.de wrote: On Mon, 02.08.10 17:01, Mike Prispan (fr.p...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi all, maybe I'm wrong (I guess I am), but is PulseAudio really dead? What lead me to this conclusion? Well look at this: * Fedora has 201

Re: The slip down memory lane

2010-08-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net wrote: Le jeudi 12 août 2010 à 13:51 -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III a écrit : I guess I'm just saying that, if we had the developer time to do it, it would be super nice if we could get the pre-F15 rawhide is useless bit

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 01:37 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Adam Williamson wrote: As several people have pointed out, there's a fundamental inconsistency in your position - you can't simultaneously claim that lots of

Re: F14 Question: AVerMedia AVerTV Volar Black HD/-A850 availability

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Joachim Backes joachim.bac...@rhrk.uni-kl.de wrote: Hi, I have the impression that the  DVBT-USB stick mentioned in the subject line is not supported by F14. After plugging in, I got an error msg: missing firmware file in /lib/firmware:

Re: New bodhi release in production

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at wrote: Thomas Janssen wrote: I'm part of the KDE SIG. I will apply today for proventester to become the KDE proventester. Actually, Rex Dieter already started the application process, so you'll probably become a KDE

Re: Search Engine Proposal

2010-08-27 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Manuel Escudero jmlev...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! I've been working in a project called Hermes (For more information refer to: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Hermes) The idea is to build a Feed Parser customizable by the user that notifies when there are important

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-30 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different than the fire hose we have now

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-31 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@j2solutions.net wrote: Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: What previous niche? We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule. We had new

Recently FTBFS stfl, fails on ruby installation

2010-09-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a file into /usr/lib.. but lib/.. That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting installed into /usr/lib.. just fine. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=2450778name=build.log I checked

Re: Recently FTBFS stfl, fails on ruby installation

2010-09-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Hi, i tested today why stfl FTBFS. I found out that it doesn't installs a file into /usr/lib.. but lib/.. That happens just for the ruby part of stfl, the perl parts getting installed into /usr/lib.. just fine

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Andrea Musuruane wrote: Why xulrunner has been built against this and pushed to stable? Because Firefox/Thunderbird maintainers have the ability to Push-To-Stable regardless of what the Fedora package policies say.

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:05 AM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: rant My security fix build was rejected going to stable directly, because it could break anything (freeciv game), so i expect critical packages

Re: F12/ Cannot update

2010-09-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrea Musuruane musur...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: File a ticket with FESCo. We should have *all* packages go trough updates-testing, regardless of who's the maintainer or what's

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: It would be nice to list it somewhere as an exception, to avoid panics :) Well, I personally do not want to say: Hey, anytime you like down the

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:26:46 -0400, you wrote: I can't tell people Fedora is the best if it's not carrying the latest upstream KDE, its just not possible. I'm constantly recruiting new users. I'm in regular contact with

Re: REVIEW/RFC: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Kevin/Updates_Policy_Draft

2010-09-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Gerald Henriksen ghenr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:41:38 +0200, you wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 15:53:49 -0400 Brandon Lozza bran...@pwnage.ca wrote: It would be nice to list

Re: Purging the F13 orphans

2010-01-28 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/1/28 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com: Unblocked orphan libvisual Unblocked orphan libvisual-plugins I took over those two -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: John T. Guthrie III is AWOL - 18 packages for the grabs

2010-02-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/8 Christoph Wickert christoph.wick...@googlemail.com: * edje -- A graphical layout and animation library * eet -- Library for speedy data storage, retrieval, and compression      * epeg -- Immensely fast JPEG thumbnailer      * epsilon -- Small, display independent,

Re: Fedora 12 re-spins Released

2010-02-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/11 Robert 'Bob' Jensen b...@fedoraunity.org: - Dan Williams d...@redhat.com wrote: Oh seriously, a little communication between the Unity team and the KDE team wouldn't hurt here.  If the Unity team said hey, we're going to do a spin on March 6th but the KDE team wanted to slip

Re: Orphaning Some Packages

2010-02-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/13 Brian Pepple bpep...@fedoraproject.org: freeciv I would take that. I still love to play it. Upstream is active. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: configuration can be in xorg.conf or in /etc/xorg.conf.d/. Can it be /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ instead please?  It would suck to

Re: Heads up: X server configuration changes

2010-02-16 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 03:25:24PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: 2010/2/16 Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 09:26:54PM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote: On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:16:42PM +0100, Michal Hlavinka wrote: configuration can

Re: Heads up! Broken deps in Upgrade from 12 to 13

2010-02-21 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/2/21 Michael Schwendt mschwe...@gmail.com: Just for kicks, the current   Upgrade from  12+updates  to  13+updates+testing broken deps look like below. While several may be due to dead packages that have been removed in 13, some are likely due to violated upgrade paths and bad/missing

Re: FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:16:43PM +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: I would like to collect feedback on this issue. If you want to disable direct stable pushes, why? Could there be a less radical solution to that problem

Re: Fight bugs, not FESCo

2010-03-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:57:11PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Mar 01, 2010 at 03:48:15PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Aaron Faanes dafr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-02 at 21:07 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but here is the kicker.  The perl in F11 is

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 09:07:29PM -0500, Seth Vidal wrote: On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Jesse Keating wrote: Ok... removing deprecated uses is a questionable at best update, but here is the kicker.  The perl in F11 is

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Rakesh Pandit rakesh.pan...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 16:23, Thomas Janssen wrote: [..] BUT, Fedora was my choice BECAUSE i get/got the latest and greatest. Even without running rawhide/factory/cooker. [..] Well, update to latest release (every 6

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:51, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Mathieu Bridon boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 13:33, Thomas Janssen thom

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org said: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: My own personal opinion is that stable updates should only fix serious issues

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org said: If you want RHEL, use it. People keep saying this, as if the opposite of updates every day is release every 3 years.  Those are two extremes

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 16:08 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote: So why we can't use it as our advantage and fill this gap? We could very well fill that gap with rapid release cycles (every 6 months) and updates for those

Re: Worthless updates

2010-03-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Thomas Janssen (thom...@fedoraproject.org) said: When there's no policy, and the user has to guess whether or not they need to do this for every package on their system, however, you have a mess. Well, except

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an unofficial one will no doubt spring up, or an existing unofficial repo will pick up that role (for KDE, kde-redhat

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgr...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: current stable release nor support an official backports repo

Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right

2010-03-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jaroslav Reznik jrez...@redhat.com wrote: On Thursday 04 March 2010 15:30:43 Juha Tuomala wrote: On Thu, 4 Mar 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote: current stable release nor support an official backports repo, an unofficial one will no doubt spring up, or an existing

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2010 02:06 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: Maybe it isn't written down as a policy but in my mind it's a big part of the four foundations. Unless we want to make them freedom friends frozen frustration in the future ...

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2010 03:55 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a BZ as well? A while back a kde

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2010 04:33 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: So you filed a bug. I will search for it. So you stop'd using it, BUT you faced more problems like that. Now that's interesting. Or is it that you blow into the same horn

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Rajeesh K Nambiar rajeeshknamb...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/05/2010 10:16 AM, Rajeesh K Nambiar wrote: Does

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 03/05/2010 10:25 AM, Thomas Janssen wrote: I can see the need and agree that maybe not every big push needs to go to N-1 releases. But not pushing 4.x.x relases to the currently stable N release is just plain wrong

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:25 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: I read about regressions all the time in KDE releases, over and over again. What's a regression you Rahul have faced and can you provide a BZ as well? (snip

Re: how to make things better(tm)

2010-03-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 05, 2010 at 05:10:41PM +, Andrew Haley wrote: On 03/05/2010 03:25 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: So i (and others who think like me), have no reason to use Fedora over one of the other mainstream Distros

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-06 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Adam Williamson awill...@redhat.com wrote: I thought to myself yesterday, 'what this long and fractious thread about update policy *really* needs is some unscientific and controversial numbers'. =) So, I ran a forum poll! Everyone loves those, right? Here it

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core components revision number . I'm not convinced to this philosophy. I have used a few Linux distros in past 11 years, and this is something new to me...

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:13 AM, Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/07/2010 07:17 AM, Orcan Ogetbil wrote: Then make it 3 months, 4 months... Leave it in testing forever if you get too many complaints. But make it available

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Debarshi Ray debarshi@gmail.com wrote: Again I say updates-testing! Leaving php-5.3 in testing on F-11 for a couple months will warn the users what is coming up and gives them plenty of time to adapt. If you have a large codebase two months is barely

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org: 2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/6 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com: The numbers 11, 12 should only indicate the core components revision number . I'm not convinced

Re: Another great update

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/3/7 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: 2010/3/7 Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org: Why are you trying to change the Face and Character of Fedora instead of using what fits your needs (your own mentioned RHEL/CentOS)? RHEL5/CentOS5 is outdated for my needs. I had two ways: 1

I love Fedora

2010-03-07 Thread Thomas Janssen
Dear readers. The last two weeks have had a few big, very hot discussed threads. I personally was a few times way too much involved with my feelings and i suspect a few others here as well. As the subject says it clearly, i love Fedora. I love it as it is. It is leading edge, i can have latest

Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi, what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel? The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's 13+ and 10- And the kernel got -5 since it's pushed to stable. Shouldn't that one stay out of stable for now?

Re: Karma threshold for kernel

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 01:36:18PM +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: Hi, what kind of karma threshold is set for the kernel? The page in bodhi says it has a karma of 9, but if you count it, it's 13+ and 10- And the kernel got -5

Re: Update question: some user data

2010-03-08 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Till Maas opensou...@till.name wrote: On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 12:34:03PM -0500, Will Woods wrote: Adam's poll results are valid *only* for Fedora users who: a) Are members of the Fedora forum, b) Enthusiasts/power-users to the degree that they would notice a

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-09 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 11:21 PM, Sven Lankes s...@lank.es wrote: On Mon, Mar 08, 2010 at 09:59:29PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: Before being added to updates, the package must receive a net karma of +3 in Bodhi. [...] It is the expectation of Fesco that the majority of updates should

Re: Install fedora-easy-karma by default? (was: Re: Expect more positive bodhi karma / check karma automatism)

2010-03-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:36 PM, Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Till Maas (opensou...@till.name) said: Also thanks for packaging that immediately -- what about installing it by default? It's a tiny package and we really do want our users to provide feedback. I do not mind, if

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/12/2010 04:36 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: And i disagree here. People like that have to face that Fedora or any similar distro isn't for them. I don't see why you want to continue pushing off users instead

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote: -snipped-- If I can be indulged. it's because i can't believe that dial-up-land user are really that stubborn It's not the endusers fault, they have bad infracture. Oh, so

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/10 11:56, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com  wrote: On 12/03/10 11:33, Thomas Janssen wrote: -snipped-- If I can be indulged. it's because i can't believe

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/12/2010 05:03 PM, Thomas Janssen wrote: I wasn't answering the ABI stability part. But the people-in-dial-up-land part. It is interconnected in my argument and doesn't make sense to debate in parts.  If you

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/10 12:12, Thomas Janssen wrote: --sniped-- Oh, so it's our fault? It's just life, in all it's forms. Exactly. And if i live in an area where i cant have everything, i can't choose everything. Bringing

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal

2010-03-12 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 5:32 PM, John J. McDonough wb8...@arrl.net wrote: Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: If the infrastructure sucks where you live, what needs to happen is that the infrastructure needs to improve, not that the whole world

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how you define more ammeniable to new contributors, so that's harder to address. Still, I

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 12:18 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 16:05 -0600, Matthew Woehlke wrote: I'd expect people that want 100% Free to use gNewSense. I'm not sure how you

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 00:52 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: Jesse Keating wrote: Fundamental point of view difference.  You take the point of view of push everything all the time /unless/ there is a good enough reason not

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-13 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/10 19:27, Adam Williamson wrote: --snipped-- Bringing it back to dialup. Fedora liveCD 500-700mb CentOS DVD 3.5GB app. Fedora 1, CentOS 0 In my experience, many users with restricted bandwidth actually

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Jon Masters jonat...@jonmasters.org wrote: On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 21:48 +0100, Thomas Janssen wrote: Why, do you think, should just a single user change to Fedora, away from Ubuntu or any other Distro? Because we're blue? If the only reason to choose Fedora

Re: Stable Release Updates types proposal (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Recap 2010-03-11)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matěj Cepl mc...@redhat.com wrote: Dne 14.3.2010 19:29, Kevin Kofler napsal(a): Nonsense. There ARE users who want this kind of updates. Please don't generalize your own opinion to ALL users in that way. no is a strong word! And yes, these are users who have

Re: Plan for tomorrow's (2010-03-16) FESCo meeting (note new DST meeting time)

2010-03-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 13:20:09 -0700 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 14:14 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: #355 Let rel-eng untag embryo from F-13 because it breaks the chain and upgrade path Does

Re: Orphaning Packages

2010-03-18 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 03/18/2010 02:01 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote: Warren Togami wrote: I am orphaning the following packages.  Two look pretty important for someone else to save. NEWLY ORPHANED PACKAGES

Re: Non-responsive maintainer Karsten Hopp?

2010-03-22 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Karsten Hopp kars...@redhat.com wrote: Am 22.03.2010 12:05, schrieb Till Maas: Hiyas, On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 04:45:25PM +0800, Chen Lei wrote:  The privoxy current in F12 is a beta version and had a lot of bugs.  See

Re: Orphaning DR17 and EFL

2010-03-28 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Simon Wesp cassmod...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Am Dienstag, den 16.03.2010, 22:11 +0100 schrieb Thomas Janssen: Hi, As-Salāmu `Alaykum im orphaning: e_dbus ecore edje eet efreet embryo emotion epeg epsilon evas ewl libeina and I will also orphan

Re: URGENT! These review requests needs your attention!

2010-04-01 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Peter Lemenkov lemen...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! I just found that some folks submitted some interesting packages for the review. Not all of them are in good shape, though. * wow-oss (Fedora Games SIG members, please take care of it) * iTunes (nice, Qt-based

Re: non-responsive maintainer: thomasvs

2010-04-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Julian Sikorski beleg...@gmail.com wrote: W dniu 03.04.2010 20:52, Felix Kaechele pisze: I talked to him on IRC three days ago and he accepted one of my bugs I filed at morituri's (a cd ripping tool of his, best there is) bugtracker. Maybe ping him on IRC. His

Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-14 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala wrote: I recall, that the earlier version had some level of Akonadi support as well, so in theory, would it be possible to revert the

Re: Reverting kaddressbook back to previous version?

2010-04-15 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Matt McCutchen m...@mattmccutchen.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 15:53 +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Juha Tuomala juha.tuom...@iki.fi wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, Ryan Rix wrote: On Mon 12 April 2010 6:40:59 am Juha Tuomala

Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)

2010-04-20 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Athmane Madjoudj athma...@gmail.com wrote: I'm against making a mess of PATH with a crapload of symlinks. If this were to happen, it should happen at a bashrc alias level, and even then I'm still against it. i agree, also the proposed commands are too long

Re: Orphaning kftpgrabber

2010-04-21 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Johan Cwiklinski maili...@x-tnd.be wrote: Hello I've not used kftpgrabber for a long long time ; and I wish to orphan it. I've just taken a look at upstream and even if the latest stable version came in 2007 ; according to

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-23 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Martin Stransky stran...@redhat.com wrote: On 04/23/2010 09:18 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 04/23/2010 09:03 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: Hi, we're patching mozilla packages only for really critical issues because of mozilla trademarks. We can't put any patch

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-25 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,   Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Wouldn't it be sensible to approach the Mozilla folk about getting them to relax their requirements so that sane

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-25 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to writes: On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:03:28 -0400,   Tom Lane t...@redhat.com wrote: Wouldn't it be sensible

Re: The package 'gentoo' seems unmaintained for months

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Robin 'cheese' Lee chees...@hotmail.com wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/gentoo If the owner takes no count of this package, I would like to co-maintain it. My FAS account is 'cheeselee'. Thank you! You added yourself already to the

Re: How to contact Matthias Saou?

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/4/26 Chen Lei supercy...@163.com: On 2010-04-26 21:35:53,Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com  wrote: I had started[1] this process weeks ago. He rebuilt easytag a few days after my initial e-mail but for an unrelated bug report. He has not responded to my direct e-mails or bug reports or 

Re: Orphaning my packages

2010-04-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Rafał Psota rafal...@gmail.com wrote: cssed -- CSS editor and validator diffpdf -- PDF files comparator geekcode -- Geek Code generator glob2 -- An innovative RTS game metacafe-dl -- Command-line program to download videos from metacafe.com ranpwd -- A

Re: Orphaning my packages

2010-04-29 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Rafał Psota rafal...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/4/29 Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Rafał Psota rafal...@gmail.com wrote: cssed -- CSS editor and validator diffpdf -- PDF files comparator geekcode -- Geek Code generator

Re: Res: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at said: Matthew Garrett wrote: snip Can we PLEASE not rehash all of this again? Generally agreed.  Maybe the reason you lost votes is that a lot of people just don't

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Matthew Garrett mj...@srcf.ucam.org wrote: On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 07:34:28PM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote: Why should we not call the GNOME spin, and the GNOME desktop in general, by its name? GNOME is just A desktop, it's NOT the desktop. It's the desktop with

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Jeff Spaleta jspal...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Thomas Janssen thom...@fedoraproject.org wrote: - Superb information for us packagers if and how much (of course not the correct value) users use the software i package It may or may

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/5/3 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se: Thomas Janssen wrote: Good question about on or off by default. To make sense it should be on by default. NO! Popcon may have its uses, and I actually have it enabled on my Debian boxes, but it *must* be strictly opt-in. If it were

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Richard W.M. Jones rjo...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 10:03:34PM +0200, Thomas Janssen wrote: - Helps to decide if a package can be easily removed from Fedora (upstream dead, no users left, good bye is no problem) Sounds like another tool to beat

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Rudolf Kastl che...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/4 Thomas Spura toms...@fedoraproject.org: Am Montag, den 03.05.2010, 22:37 -0400 schrieb Orcan Ogetbil: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Orcan Ogetbil said: Sorry if i answer that

Re: popularity package context on fedora

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
2010/5/4 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se: Thomas Janssen wrote: Well, i wouldn't call a software that counts serverside downloads of FOSS software and gives based on that downloads/installations, a popularity suggestion in packagekit, spyware. There's nothing at all that gets sent

Re: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Thomas Janssen wrote: Maybe i'm wrong and nothing is decided, but why don't we do something then and get the data we need to decide the*right*  direction in the first place? Because the important people of Fedora have

Re: Reasons for hall monitoring

2010-05-09 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Gilboa Davara gilb...@gmail.com wrote: If we, as a -community- project, want to remain relevant, it is time to decide who we are and what is our goal. Agreed. The who we are is easy answered, we're RHs *playground*. That is what everyone, not completely new to

Re: Blockers via flags?

2010-05-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 22:47 -0500, Garrett Holmstrom wrote: Fedora only has one branched, yet unreleased release at a time.  Can we recycle the same tag(s) for every release instead of creating new ones every time? We

Re: Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:14 AM, James Antill ja...@fedoraproject.org wrote:  Thankfully all the giant flamewars and new policies didn't make anyone think twice about the users, as we already have 140 updates with a combined size of _over_ 750MB on x86_64, biggest 5 are: 6.2M

Re: Fedora 13 continuing the tradition of being an update monster

2010-05-11 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Jon Ciesla l...@jcomserv.net wrote: On 05/11/2010 01:14 AM, James Antill wrote:   Thankfully all the giant flamewars and new policies didn't make anyone think twice about the users, as we already have 140 updates with a combined size of _over_ 750MB on x86_64,

Re: sources file audit - 2010-05-31

2010-06-03 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com wrote: thomasj:BADURL:glob2-0.9.4.4.tar.gz:glob2 Thanks, fixed in cvs. -- LG Thomas Dubium sapientiae initium -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Bug on NetworkManager (#600656)

2010-06-05 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Camilo Mesias cam...@mesias.co.uk wrote: Hi, You can either run dbus_send --print-reply --system \        --dest=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager \        /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager \        org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.wake or run service

Re: Orphaning google-gadgets

2010-06-23 Thread Thomas Janssen
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Michel Alexandre Salim michael.silva...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm orphaning google-gadgets -- there are trivial crashing bugs (like Miro before it switched away from xulrunner, the

Errors, warnings during yum update

2010-06-25 Thread Thomas Janssen
Hi folks, todays yum update spit out some errors and warnings not too hard to fix: Warning in file /usr/share/applications/gnome-nautilus-folder-handler.desktop: usage of MIME type x-directory/gnome-default-handler is discouraged (x-directory is an old media type that should be replaced with a

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