Re: PROPOSAL: Make AppData files mandatory for applications shown in the software center

On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 10:03:08AM +, Richard Hughes wrote: > Hi all, > > It will come as no surprise to many of you, but I'm going to propose > that we only show applications in the software center in F22 when they > have an AppData file. At the moment nearly 50% of applications in > Fedora 2

Re: PROPOSAL: Make AppData files mandatory for applications shown in the software center

On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 09:49:15AM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > So, I think your proposal should be amended with the a list kept > > somewhere on a wiki of applications which must get appdata, and treat > > this list as blocking for this feature. This list would include > > applications that are "w

Re: systemd-219 issues with 22 and Rawhide composes

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 08:18:12AM -0500, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering > wrote: > > On Mon, 23.02.15 08:45, Nico Kadel-Garcia (nka...@gmail.com) wrote: > > [ notes snipped, ] > > > You know, that systemd creates a symlink if the file is missing

Re: GCC5 rebuilds required for sflphone: ccrtp, libzrtpcpp, dbus-c++

On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 02:52:42PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 01:36:31PM +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I need ccrtp, libzrtpcpp > Building those two now. > > > and dbus-c++ to be rebuilt against GCC5 to https:/

Re: FESCo Meeting Minutes (2015-03-04)

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 07:41:45AM +, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2015-03-04, Adam Jackson wrote: > > * #615 Strategy for services that do not have systemd native unit files > > (ajax, 18:03:09) > > * AGREED: drop sysvinit subpackages if a systemd unit file exists, in > > f23 (ajax, 18:17:

Re: FESCo Meeting Minutes (2015-03-04)

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 01:59:00PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > On 03/05/2015 01:42 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >* I think we should continue to encourage maintainers and upstreams to > > move to systemd native unit files wherever possible. > > Only a handful of maintainers migrate

Re: FESCo Meeting Minutes (2015-03-04)

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:54:20PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > On 03/05/2015 03:52 PM, Adam Jackson wrote: > >On Thu, 2015-03-05 at 09:06 +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > >>An typical outcome from a group of individuals that do not know what > >>they are doing and are m

Re: FESCo Meeting Minutes (2015-03-04)

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 04:29:05PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > > On 03/05/2015 02:44 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >While I would love to see 100% migration, the benefits for leaf packages > >aren't that big. We have fairly good compat

Re: Minifying a javascript library

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:08:47PM +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to package up the java script library web-socket-js in > order to unbundle it from xpra (currently under review). The > javascript packaging guidelines[1] require that "If a JavaScript > library typically is

Re: Minifying a javascript library

On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 05:37:49PM +, Jonathan Underwood wrote: > On 5 March 2015 at 17:09, gil wrote: > > > > yum install -y closure-compiler > > if you have fedora > 20 > > should work > > Thanks - I had hoped to push packages for F20 too, but this is a start > at least :). IIRC, some depe

Re: GCC5 rebuilds required for sflphone: ccrtp, libzrtpcpp, dbus-c++

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 05:07:59PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 02:52:42PM +0100, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 01:36:31PM +0100, Sandro Mani wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I need ccrtp, l

Re: Self introduction: Jonathan Wakely

On Fri, Mar 06, 2015 at 01:34:36PM +, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > I'm looking forward to contributing to Fedora, after getting so much > enjoyment and benefit from it for so long. Welcome! Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Self Introduction : Chandan Kumar

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:43:59PM +0530, Chandan kumar wrote: > Hi, > > Myself is Chandan Kumar. Welcome to Fedora. > I contribute to Upstream OpenStack-tempest [1.] > Recently i have started contributing to RDO packaging. > The openstack-oslo team has released a new python package > `debtcollec

Re: Issue with yum/systemd?

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:15:38PM -0700, Dave Johansen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Dave Johansen > wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:10 AM, Michal Schmidt > > wrote: > > > >> On 03/10/2015 03:13 AM, Dave Johansen wrote: > >> > #0 0xb76debac in __kernel_vsyscall () > >> > #1

Re: Issue with yum/systemd?

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 08:23:43PM -0700, Dave Johansen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 6:40 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < > zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 08:15:38PM -0700, Dave Johansen wrote: > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 7:53

Re: Update to 0ad-0.18

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 04:16:50PM -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > Hi, > > In case you would like to see it faster in Fedora :) > > 0ad-0.18 needs mozjs31, so I need this package reviewed > and approved: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1202131 > > For rawhide

Re: Update to 0ad-0.18

On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 06:58:27PM -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade wrote: > 2015-03-15 18:32 GMT-03:00 Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek : > > On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 04:16:50PM -0300, Paulo César Pereira de Andrade > > wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >>

Re: Something in Rawhide spams SELinux or audit messages to every terminal

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 02:14:38PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Message from syslogd@trick at Mar 20 14:13:46 ... > journal: pid=2038 uid=0 auid=1000 ses=2 > subj=system_u:system_r:sshd_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023 msg='op=destroy kind=server > fp=SHA256:5e:91:96:9b:d3:3c:42:5c:21:e8:fe:8e:4c:c6:a8:ef

Re: systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

I vaguely recall that zfsonlinux did some very strange things. How do the units you are using look? On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:04:57AM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > I'm using a non-Fedora filesystem (zfsonlinux) which provides > appropriate services and a target for systemd. The services state: > >

Re: systemd and dmcrypt/luks question

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 09:54:50PM -0600, Eric Smith wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > I vaguely recall that zfsonlinux did some very strange things. How > > do the units you are using look? > > These are the three t

Re: Fedora 22 Beta blocker bug status #1

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 10:57:31PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > 12. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1185604 - systemd - > "fedup upgrade fails within the initramfs-fedup env" > > Both the cause and the fix for this seem to be known at this point, > and we're waiting on the systemd

Re: should we consider making CoDel the default to combat bufferbloat?

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:34:35AM +, Pádraig Brady wrote: > Following on from > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.kernel/5549 > Has there been any more consideration for enabling this by default? It's the default in F22+: /usr/lib/sysctl.d/50-default.conf:net.core.default_qdi

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

[cc maintainer] On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 04:37:57PM +0100, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 30 March 2015 at 15:42, drago01 wrote: > > Can/should we just obsolete / retire it? Agreed. It probably still has some uses, but it's just too confusing to have it around. Zbyszek > > I tried to, but I don't h

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 04:39:38PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > OK not everyone is on the same page, apparently. This bug was just > closed by Anaconda as WONTFIX. > > suggested swap for laptop seems low > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1037472 > > I don't see how hibernation works r

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 07:20:46PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2015-04-14 at 00:39 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 04:39:38PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > OK not everyone is on the same page, apparently. This bug was ju

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 09:30:31AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > - Original Message - > >> OK not everyone is on the same page, apparently. This bug was just > >> closed by Anaconda as WONTFIX. > >> > >> suggested swap for l

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:00:52AM -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote: > On 04/13/2015 11:34 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >OK, so swap 2x memory seems excessive. Actually swap with the same as > >memory should work *most* of the time. There's no guarantee that any &g

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:26:14AM -0400, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 09:30:31AM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 3:07 AM, Bastien Nocera > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > >> O

Re: hibernation support - lack of distro-wide coordination between systemd, dracut, anaconda, pm-utils and maybe more?

On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 08:55:06AM -0700, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > >> - pm-utils DONE > > > > retired in master > > Is that good enough? Should systemd obsolete it, too? I thought the > whole point of this thread was that pm-utils was actively dangerous > now, so shouldn't we actively remove i

Re: Re: GCC5 rebuilds required for sflphone: ccrtp, libzrtpcpp, dbus-c++

On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:45:18PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > Hi Zbyszek > > Could you rebuild libzrtpcpp once more for the most recent gcc abi > breaks? Need to rebuild sflphone for #1213076. Hi, I rebuilt ccrtp, libzrtcpcpp, dbus-c++ locally (just to be sure). I tried building sflphone then. I

Re: Re: GCC5 rebuilds required for sflphone: ccrtp, libzrtpcpp, dbus-c++

On Sun, Apr 19, 2015 at 01:36:40PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 08:45:18PM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > > Hi Zbyszek > > > > Could you rebuild libzrtpcpp once more for the most recent gcc abi > > breaks? Need to rebuild sflphone

Re: Review swap - Stella - A multi-platform Atari 2600 VCS emulator

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 07:51:09PM +0100, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Dom, 2015-04-26 at 10:27 +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > On Sun, 2015-04-26 at 09:25 +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > Sure. I'll send you a patch on the rpmfusion-devel list. > > > > Sergio, > > > > Just out of curiosity - do you kn

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:47:18PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local > timezone, No, it's not. This has been written about many times, but in short: - the information about the timezone used is not stored in RTC, so all users of RTC need t

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 02:21:48PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 28 April 2015 at 13:40, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:47:18PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local > > > > timezone, > > > No, it's not. This has

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 03:55:38PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Sat, 02.05.15 18:03, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek (zbys...@in.waw.pl) wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 02:21:48PM +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > > On 28 April 2015 at 13:40, Kamil Paral wrote: > &g

Re: [Bug 1201978] dracut assumes BIOS time is UTC closed without fixing again

On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 12:00:31PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 03:23:24PM +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > > For majority of ro-at-boot setups, changing to rw would be the best and the > > simplest > > solution. I don't think we

Re: gcc5 C++11 ABI rebuilds and FTBFS packages

On Mon, May 04, 2015 at 01:09:23PM +0200, Kalev Lember wrote: > openav-luppp: http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=9651313 Fixed. Zbyszek -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedora

Re: Introduction

On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 07:00:11AM +0530, Aditya Prakash wrote: > Hi everyone, > > New member here! My name is Aditya Prakash. I am second year computer > science student at NIT Durgapur , India. > This summer, I will be working on Glittergallery >

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:26:48AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > I'd personally prefer to assume the best intentions of our packagers; > > specifically I'd assume that if there's a question as to the safety of > > starting something by default, either they'd bring it up voluntarily or > > some

Re: [Guidelines change] Changes to the packaging guidelines

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 07:24:07AM -0400, Frank Ch. Eigler wrote: > > zbyszek wrote: > > > [...] > > Clarification: this change did not touch this part of the policy: that > > definition got copied over from the guidelines [1]. [...] > > (The previous wording said a package that "...does not lis

Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 02:50:05PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 08:40:07PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > cool, and now we went the windows road > > * security update of library X > > * nobody knows which applications are still vulnerable > > Why does no one know? Keepin

Re: Checking the ABI of packages submitted to the updates-testing Fedora repository

On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 10:34:19AM +0200, Dodji Seketeli wrote: > We are currently working on a tool named > "abipkgdiff"[3] that takes two RPMs About the name: "package" is fairly generic, but "pkg" is used as specific name. Arch has ".pkg.tar.xz", Slackware has "pkgtool". So unless you plan to s

Re: Puppet 4

On Sat, Jun 06, 2015 at 06:52:35PM -0400, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 01:31:10PM +, John Florian wrote: > >> Personally I do so using a scheme like /opt/$VENDOR/$PRODUCT/$RELEASE, > >> but to my knowledge the F

Re: F23 System Wide Change: Python 3 as Default

On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 08:50:14AM -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Python 3 as Default = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Python_3_as_Default > > Change owner(s): > * Slavek Kabrda > * Matej Stuchlik > * Miro Hroncok > * Thomas Spura > * Robert Kuska > > Up u

Re: dnf-2 on F23 (Re: F23 System Wide Change: Python 3 as Default)

On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 04:22:38AM -0400, Radek Holy wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek" > > To: devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2015 10:05:41 PM > > Subject: Re: F23 System W

Re: Self Introduction:Sören Möller

On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 05:27:22PM +0200, Soeren Moeller wrote: > Hi > > My name is Sören Möller and I'm working as statistician at a Danish > University. > > I have been using Linux for work and privately for at least 10 years, and > Fedora for about 1.5 years > > I have programming experience

Re: DNF vs YUM, $pkg, $pkg-mpi, $pkg-openmpi having same provides

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 12:44:29AM +0200, Sandro Mani wrote: > > > On 16.06.2015 17:02, Miloslav Trmač wrote: > >>On 16.06.2015 00:30, Susi Lehtola wrote: > >>>On 06/14/2015 03:02 PM, Sandro Mani wrote: > On 14.06.2015 16:28, Sandro Mani wrote: > >Rules to generate such requires/provides:

Re: libscrypt versions on koji

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:35:26PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:10 +0300 > Beat Küng wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I did scratch builds on koji for f21 [1], f22 [2] & f23 [3]. On f22 > > the build fails because of an older version of libscrypt. According > > to the root.log, the

Re: libscrypt versions on koji

On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:24:31AM +0300, Beat Küng wrote: > On 06/23/15 20:17, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 03:35:26PM +0200, Dan Horák wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:34:10 +0300 > >> Beat Küng wrote: > >> > >>

Re: F23 Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 10:41:04AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Fri, 2015-06-26 at 10:32 -0400, Jan Kurik wrote: > > = Proposed Self Contained Change: Astronomy Spin = > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Astronomy_Spin > > > > Change owner(s): Christian Dersch > > > > A Fedora Spi

Re: Fedora 34 System-Wide Change proposal: NSS CK_GCM_PARAMS change

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 03:46:25PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NssGCMParams > > == Summary == > Because of changes to the PKCS #11 spec in PKCS #11 v3.0, NSS needs to > change the definition of CK_GCM_PARAMS in a source incompatible way. > Upstream made this c

Re: Fedora 34 System-Wide Change proposal: NSS CK_GCM_PARAMS change

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 08:56:26AM -0700, Robert Relyea wrote: > Oops, this reply was supposed to be a "reply list" rather than a "reply". > > I've incorporated most of your feedback into the Change page now. Thanks. Nevertheless, I still find the page hard to grok. I don't have any specific comm

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Drop mod_php

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 03:53:26PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > == Detailed Description == > By default php-fpm is used for a few versions. mod_php is not > supported for threaded modules. mod_php usage also increases security > risk, sharing the same process than httpd. > > Drop mod_php from php bu

Re: Self Introduction: Sam Feifer

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 09:05:52PM +0100, Leigh Griffin wrote: > Welcome Sam, hope to see you around! > > On Fri, May 29, 2020, 20:30 Samuel Jacob Feifer > wrote: > > > Hi everyone. I am currently a second year computer science student at > > Vanderbilt and would love to garner some experience t

Re: What's pulling in a bunch of texlive packages?

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:01:50AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > I'm working on updating FreeCAD both for Python 3.9 and coming VTK 9.0 and > I noticed that something is pulling in a lot of texlive packages but I am > not BR'ing any. I'm seeing this too, with ~100 texlive packages pulled in on upgr

Re: What's pulling in a bunch of texlive packages?

/cc maintainer On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:33:26AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:31 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek < > zbys...@in.waw.pl> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:01:50AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > > > I'm working on u

Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:34:38AM +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote: > Also I had to do 'echo freeze >/sys/power/state' for s2idle as systemctl has > no such option (nor there is any GUI option for s3idle AFAIK). SuspendState=freeze can be set through a configuration file. See systemd-sleep.conf(5). Z

Re: [External] Re: Supporting hibernation in Workstation ed., draft 1

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:31:26AM +, Mark Pearson wrote: > > I've just taken a Lenovo T500, installed GNOME Workstation and gone into > > hibernation. It took about 30 seconds to boot back in, but I was right > > where I > > left off. What exactly is broken, and for what portion of users? > >

Re: Packages that failed to build with Python 3.9

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:49:28AM -, Leigh Scott wrote: > Even if the package builds it doesn't mean it's functional. > > $ cinnamon-settings > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/share/cinnamon/cinnamon-settings/cinnamon-settings.py", line 16, > in > from setproctitle imp

Re: Packages that failed to build with Python 3.9

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 01:09:31PM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 31. 05. 20 13:04, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:49:28AM -, Leigh Scott wrote: > > > Even if the package builds it doesn't mean it's functional. >

Schedule for Mondays's FESCo Meeting (2020-06-01)

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2020-06-01 15:00 UTC' Links to all issues to be

Summary for today's FESCo Meeting (2020-06-01)

Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-06-01/fesco.2020-06-01-15.00.html Minutes (text): https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-06-01/fesco.2020-06-01-15.00.txt Log: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2020-06-01/fesco.2020-06-01-15.00.lo

Re: subtle issue with systemd, dnf 'greedy' obsoletes behaviour, and multiple repos

On Mon, Jun 01, 2020 at 02:10:12PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > Hi folks! openQA caught a subtle issue in a systemd update over the > weekend, and I thought it would be worth flagging up here both to let > people know about it and also to see if anyone has a better solution > than the one I came

Re: Bodhi: "how to install" is supposed to work?

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 10:03:26AM +0200, Christopher Engelhard wrote: > Hi Alessio, > > On 02.06.20 09:32, Alessio wrote: > > sudo dnf upgrade --enablerepo=updates-testing --advisory=FEDORA-2020- > > 81a3b3df7d > > > > Is it supposed to work? Because every time I tried it, it didn't work. > > In

Re: Bodhi: "how to install" is supposed to work?

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 02:52:15PM +0200, Christopher Engelhard wrote: > On 02.06.20 14:24, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > Do you think adding a notice like > > "The following command may take some time to work after this update has > > been pushed to testing, because the dnf mirrors should syn

Re: Bodhi: "how to install" is supposed to work?

On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 08:14:21AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2020-06-02 at 14:42 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 02:52:15PM +0200, Christopher Engelhard wrote: > > > On 02.06.20 14:24, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > &

Re: How to convert from GRUB to systemd-boot?

On Thu, Jun 04, 2020 at 08:04:42AM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > Is there someone that can help me convert my Fedora install from GRUB to > systemd-boot and actually get it where kernel updates won't break it? > > The reason is that my MS Surface GO does not work with GRUB for some > reason. Probab

broken threads

This has been bothering me for a while, it occurs quite often for certain posters to the list, and since Jeff's replies reproduce this issue, let me ask: Why is the threading broken with Jeff's replies to this thread? Looking at the headers, there is no In-reply-to: header. Is this caused by the a

Re: Some services are failing to start with mount namespace errors

On Sun, Jun 07, 2020 at 08:04:38AM +0200, Igor Raits wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On fully updated rawhide, > > ● systemd-hostnamed.service - Hostname Service > Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-hostnamed.service; > static; vendor preset: disab

Re: broken threads

On Fri, Jun 05, 2020 at 02:43:49PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 6/5/20 2:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > This has been bothering me for a while, it occurs quite often for > > certain posters to the list, and since Jeff's replies reproduce this > > issue, l

Re: Fedora Jam switch to GNOME

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:09:28AM -0700, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm considering moving Fedora Jam from KDE Plasma to GNOME. There are > multiple reasons for this, and I think part of it would be beneficial > to the overall GNOME and Fedora communities as it would be a way t

Re: Schedule for Mondays's FESCo Meeting (2020-06-15)

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 11:04:18AM +0200, Petr Šabata wrote: > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the > FESCo meeting Monday at 15:00UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on > irc.freenode.net. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHow

Re: Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Default animated background for Fedora Workstation

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:56:52AM +0200, Kamil Paral wrote: > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral wrote: > > > The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing > > > this, or a very detailed descriptio

Re: zram as swap on EL?

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 01:04:57PM -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > I didn't get any response from the EPEL list so forwarding here since the > change was discussed here anyway... > --- > > So with the discussion about moving to zram for swap on Fedora I wondered > if it was worth taking a look at for

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Use %make_build and %make_install macros

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 05:11:43PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > The %make_build macro enables parallel make builds using the -j option. In > case a package does not build correctly with parallel make, then parallel > make will be disabled for that package by redefining the %_smp_mflags macro > like

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 04:55:10AM +0200, clime wrote: > >> > > Hello Josh, > >> > > > >> > > you can change the artifact type while keeping interface the same and > >> > > it would be a _HUGE_ win because it would make modularity finally > >> > > understandable for mere humans and better maintaina

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 03:36:30PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:27 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > On 18. 06. 20 21:22, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > The introduction > > > of default module streams was a direct result of wanting to help > > > customers that are used to running 'y

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:03:31AM +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 23. 06. 20 8:50, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >Hi Josh, Miro, > > > >I think there has been a misunderstanding. I'm pretty sure Miro's > >question is about "default modules"

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 03:36:30PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > We know within RHEL we have teams that will likely continue using > default streams. We also know that some teams will not. Further we > know that somes teams will likely not use modules at all, just as > teams in RHEL 8 did not use mo

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 07:12:09AM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 3:32 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 03:36:30PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:27 PM Miro Hrončok wrote: > >

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 08:31:06PM +0200, clime wrote: > > The unanswered question is what mechanism would be used make sure that > > the rpms from the "module" are all installed. One option would be to > > somehow mangle rpm names, another option would be to add some kind of > > Provides/Requires,

Re: Fedora Packager Dashboard available for testing

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 01:06:07PM -0600, Jerry James wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:12 PM Alexander Ploumistos > wrote: > > Congratulations to all of you, this is very useful and beautifully > > made. I almost got a panic attack when I saw all the bugs, but I > > quickly realized that most o

Re: RHEL 9 and modularity

On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 09:22:39AM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 06:51:36AM +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > I think there's some fear that "name mangling" is not a general > > solution, and we'd have cases where names c

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:59:39PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:58 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:48 PM Michael Catanzaro > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:45 pm, Michael Catanzaro > > > wrote: > > > > Yes. I already fixed the w

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:39:46AM -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: > Again, I'm not against the proposal, but I would prefer a better and sane > discussion. > Honestly most end users dislike the CLI. > However I understand that discussion is not about "what is my preferred > editor?". > I understand th

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 03:37:59PM +0100, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 26/06/20 13:11 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:59:39PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > >>On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:58 PM Chris Murphy > >>wrote: > >>>

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:18:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > == Scope == > * Proposal owners: > ** Modify comps to include nano Fedora wide. > ** Create a new subpackage of nano, called > nano-editor. > ** nano-editor to include > /usr/lib/environment.d/10-nano.conf, which sets > $EDITOR to nano.

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:38:40PM -0400, Ben Rosser wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 12:32 PM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek > wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 01:18:59PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > == Scope == > > > * Proposal owners: > > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 03:34:17PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:25:01AM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > > Jesus Christ, this actually got approved. It's time to fork Fedora. This is > > really getting out of hand. > > As mentioned earlier, there's no need to "fork F

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: swap on zram

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 01:32:41PM -0700, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:18:32 PM MST Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 03:34:17PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 10:25:01AM -0700,

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:52:07PM +0200, Till Maas wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 08:16:29AM -0400, Gerald Henriksen wrote: > > > While it may be worth vim making themselves better, it really doesn't > > change the argument. > > > > Even a friendlier vim is still going to be far to strange and

Re: drop bfq scheduler, instead use mq-deadline across the board

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:25:23PM +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 15:01:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1851783 > > > > The main argument is that for typical and varied workloads in Fedora, > > mostly on consumer hardware, we should u

Re: drop bfq scheduler, instead use mq-deadline across the board

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 07:28:53PM +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 17:23:16 +0000, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 04:25:23PM +0100, Ankur Sinha wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 15:01:24 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > &g

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 09:47:08PM +0200, Iñaki Ucar wrote: > On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 21:24, Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > > > May I suggest another option? > > I provide a package for Micro, an editor written in Go with a discoverable > > interface. https://micro-editor.github.io/ 'sudo dnf ins

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > So yes, I think an explicit "let's all test btrfs (as anaconda > configures it) before we make it default" period is warranted. > > Perhaps one can argue that Fedora has already been doing that for the > past two years (since 20

Re: Introduce Storage Instantiation Daemon - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 03:18:57PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > == Benefit to Fedora == > The main benefit is all about centralizing the solution to solve > issues that storage subsystem maintainers have been hitting with udev, > that is: > > * providing a central infrastructure for storage event pr

Re: Disable dmraid.service on first run if no dmraid sets are found - Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04:26AM +0200, Zdenek Kabelac wrote: > Dne 30. 06. 20 v 10:57 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel napsal(a): > >On 29.06.2020 22:04, Ben Cotton wrote: > >>Fedora only support these RAID sets when they are already configured in > >>the BIOS at installation time. So we can solve the p

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make nano the default editor

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 09:44:12AM +0200, Kamil Dudka wrote: > On Tuesday, June 30, 2020 9:16:40 PM CEST Robert-André Mauchin wrote: > > May I suggest another option? > > I provide a package for Micro, an editor written in Go with a discoverable > > interface. https://micro-editor.github.io/ > >

Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: Make btrfs the default file system for desktop variants

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 11:28:10AM +0100, Steven Whitehouse wrote: > Hi, > > On 01/07/2020 07:54, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 03:15:23PM -0400, Solomon Peachy wrote: > >>So yes, I think an explicit "let's all test btrfs (as ana

Re: Is allowed in certain cases to override default Fedora compiler flags?

On Wed, Jul 01, 2020 at 05:47:51PM -0300, Sergio Belkin wrote: > So the question is: in this case I can override the Fedora compiler flags? Other people replied with suggestions how to make the code better, but let me also answer this question directly: yes you can, the guidelines say: > Adding

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