Re: floppy support
The argument that some older hardware do not have USB support and require floppy support is moot. I have 3 PCs in total. 2 desktops and 1 file server. The 2 desktops run Ubuntu/Linux and the server running BSD. The server is an old desktop system that has had various upgrades and various transformations throughout its life. But when I go back to its origins, it will be 10 years old now. And even in its early beginnings, it still had full usb support. And effectively having no 'real' use for floppies. Even though it did come with a floppy drive ootb. I see it all the time. "Some older hardware still requires floppies..." It just seems like a generic defense statement for the fans of floppies and for those who insist on using them for god knows what reason. Any hardware that is true to that statement must be at least 15 years old surely! And for the cheap price of PCs these days, whether it is building your own or grabbing an oem system, just upgrade to something that does have full usb support. USB sticks may be small and easy to lose, correct. But I don't know how many times I've put several of mine through the washing machine and they still continue to work. Try putting a floppy disk through the washing machine and then try reading the data and see what happens. And as far as losing them, they always turn up again. And for permanent loss, I really don't care as I encrypt all my data when using usb sticks anyway. And if I don't find it, for $10 I can easily get another 8GB anyway. Regards Chris Jones [image: linux.png] <>-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: floppy support
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 08/29/2011 10:22 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > > It is very irritating, since I only use floppies when I really need to, > > Is this due to the need to boot into DOS to run a firmware utility or > something similar? If so, you can create a bootable, DOS USB flash > drive. I haven't had a need for a floppy disk in years. > > I can't see any reason for floppies these days considering their extreme price per data unit as opposed to usb memory. I don't flash much these days. And for times when I feel the need to, I go about it by whatever other means is necessary to avoid anything to do with floppies. That's not to say that the Linux kernel should not support floppy drives. That's an entirely different discussion really. Regards Chris Jones [image: linux.png] <>-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Co-maintainers wanted
This looks like a very interesting project mate. I'm very interested in becoming a co-maintainer. ;-) *Cheers, Chris Jones** * * * “Oh, so they have internet on computers now?” — Homer Simpson * * Signature powered by <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=4&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_4> WiseStamp<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=4&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_4> -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Lack of space on /
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 11:08 +1000, Chris Jones wrote: > > Some of us do watch movies also, which of course requires an X > > session. > > Not really. mplayer has several outputs which function without an X > session - less usefully, aalib; more usefully, directfb. I dunno if they > work in modern Fedora, though. might be an interesting weekend poke. > -- > Adam Williamson > In theory, probably possible yes. Whether it's very usable and workable in the real world is another matter altogether. Feel free to give it a shot. But personally, I've got better things to do. Cheers Chris -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Lack of space on /
Some of us do watch movies also, which of course requires an X session. Cheers Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F15 / VirtualBox
Quoting "Przemek Klosowski" : > > Make it one command: > > yum install > http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm > > (or VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm for 32-bit systems) > OMG, I am such a dick for not even thinking of that! The problem is, I use Ubuntu/APT also, so sometimes I can confuse myself as to which system (yum/apt) does what. Nice work. Cheers Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F15 / VirtualBox
Quoting "Thomas Sailer" : > > Also, I have a strange card reader which I would love to use under some > form of virtualisation, as the accompanying application only runs under > very old versions of windows. > > The card reader has the misfeature that it requires firmware to be > loaded by the PC. To get the firmware, it connects, waits about 4 > seconds, and if it doesn't get anything it disconnects and reconnects > again. Now qemu/kvm is currently much too slow for this, until the host > notices the USB device and hands it over to the guest, about 5-10sec > pass. > > Tom I'd suggest you purchase a new card reader. You do realize you can pick them up for around $10? If I had a card reader with that much drama just to get it to operate, it'd be out the door in no time! Cheers Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F15 / VirtualBox
Quoting "Dave Jones" : > On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 02:00:57PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > > I don't think there are any developers working on this area, where "this > > area" is Virtualbox. We don't ship Virtualbox. We don't ship a kernel > > that has any knowledge of Virtualbox. There's a good argument for having > > this be part of the QA process and requiring that we boot in the common > > virtualisation environments as part of the release criteria, but I don't > > think we can realistically suggest that our virtualisation developers > > (who work on code that has nothing to do with Virtualbox) be responsible > > for that. > > I'm curious why virtualbox has gained so much inertia so quickly. > Based solely on the number of kernel bug reports we get that seem to be > related to it, I have almost zero confidence in it being reliable. > > Why are people choosing it over other solutions, and what can we change > in qemu/kvm to get users using that instead ? > > Dave > I used VMware many years ago and somewhere along the line also dabbled around with Xen. And then I got work of Virtualbox. Which not only blew competition away regarding ease-of-use and graphical interface. Sure, in it's early beginnings it may not have been the most technically advanced option out there in the open-source jungle, but that was overlooked by its aforementioned ease-of-use overall. Over the years Virtualbox has come along in leaps and bounds, largely due to the work of Sun Microsystems developers. Oracle seems to be doing an ok job so far. But as a result, VB has become basically the primary option for most virtualization nerds who want a fast and simple virtualization package that just does the job with minimal mucking around. Also, for those that may not be aware, Virtualbox can be installed in just 2 commands in your Fedora system. Assuming you have wget installed. For 32bit: ~$ su wget http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm yum install VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.i686.rpm Or for 64bit: ~$ su wget http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/4.0.8/VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm yum install VirtualBox-4.0-4.0.8_71778_fedora15-1.x86_64.rpm Cheers Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F15 / VirtualBox
Quoting "Mike McGrath" : > I've seen some reports of F15 not working in Virtualbox. There's a few > notes online about possible fixes. Is there some way we can better test > this in the future (I'm thinking about QA but that might not be the right > place). > > Smolt has virtualbox rated as pretty common: > > http://smolts.org/static/stats/stats.html > > Just seems like we're potentially missing a lot of potential users there. > It's preventing the default live CD from running. > > -Mike I agree. As virtualization technology becomes more and more involved and frequent on users systems, particularly with advanced Linux users, I think there needs to be a strong focus on ensuring that all releases run in virtualized environments without any major issues. ie. Virtualbox. Perhaps a dedicated team among the developers who specialize in this area. Regards Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Bringing down Java packages in size
It seems to me that as a general observation, package sizes are either stable or coming down in size. And even the total size of the Fedora Live CD has dropped significantly. My example: I installed Fedora 15 a couple of days ago. After fully updating, I couldn't help but notice the amount of updates and packages that were downloaded and installed for a relatively small total download. After updating to the latest packages, I proceeded to install Java and Flash plugins. Flash is a different situation so I won't go into that in this post. That discussion is for another day. But whilst installing the Java web-browser plugin, I observed that it's not its dependancies that suck up the size but rather the physical java packages themselves. And I just don't understand what makes Java packages so big and bulky? I mean, I can install The GIMP (a full image editing package) in under 10MB. Perhaps someone can shed some light on this and perhaps more effort put into bringing down the size of java packages, if possible? Regards Chris Jones This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: GNOME 3 Fallback Mode
Regarding whether G3 should even have a fallback mode; of course it should. At least until it becomes stable. That's a no-brainer. Regards -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: openSUSE 11.4 System: Linux 2.6.37.1-1.2 x86_64 Desktop: KDE 4.6.0 OS: Windows XP System: x86 Desktop: Professional SP3 OS: FreeBSD 7.3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI+putty -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Firefox releases, going forward
-Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 9:55 AM Subject: Re: Firefox releases, going forward On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Chris Smart wrote: > Given that Mozilla is dramatically changing the development of Firefox > and making releases much more frequent - i.e. Firefox 5 due in July, 6 Further: http://blog.mozilla.com/blog/2011/04/13/new-channels-for-firefox-rapid-relea ses/ -c ** I reckon this is fantastic news for Firefox users. My only hope is that various Linux distributions can keep up with faster cycle of Firefox releases and include the updates in their repos. Because I can see that the current Firefox inclusion model, not only for Fedora but Ubuntu too, is seriously going to generate issues when Mozilla speeds up the release cycle of Firefox. Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: A "whatuses" command for yum?
-Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:56 AM Subject: A "whatuses" command for yum? A humble, basic question for you experts... Given a library, such as jansson (C JSON lib), how does one automatically list all packages in the F14 repo which require jansson? Must be able to find packages which are not installed on the current system. Thanks, Jeff Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't "yum info jansson" give you this? Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Gnome-Shell and F14
So I think I'll stick with the current development build that is in F14 until F15 is finalized and released. Then I'll just upgrade I think. It's seriously not worth the mucking around trying to get it running in a F14 environment. It's just not worth my time and effort when F15 is really not that far off. Thanks to all for the information. ;-) Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Gnome-Shell and F14
-Original Message- From: drago01 [mailto:drag...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell and F14 On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Chris Jones wrote: > > > > > From: drago01 [mailto:drag...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:47 PM > Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell and F14 > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Chris Jones > wrote: > > Is the final Gnome-Shell going to be made available for Fedora 14 or solely > for Fedora 15? > > > > The later. > > > > > > ** > > > > So I'm currently running Gnome-Shell on F14 at version 2.31.5. Will there be > any more updates at all or will that be it? No because it would require updates to many core parts of the system. And it wouldn't give you the full gnome3 experience anyway. * Well when I installed Gnome-Shell just the other day it was only a ~10MB download and the installation was simple and didn't seem to alter anything. Am I getting confused or something between Gnome 3 and Gnome-Shell. Are they two different packages or the same thing? Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: Gnome-Shell and F14
From: drago01 [mailto:drag...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Gnome-Shell and F14 On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Chris Jones wrote: Is the final Gnome-Shell going to be made available for Fedora 14 or solely for Fedora 15? The later. ** So I'm currently running Gnome-Shell on F14 at version 2.31.5. Will there be any more updates at all or will that be it? Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Gnome-Shell and F14
Is the final Gnome-Shell going to be made available for Fedora 14 or solely for Fedora 15? Is yes for F14, what sort of time frame would we be looking at for availability? CD99E035AC72E359508CD3A58A335BD6 -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Windows XP OS: Fedora 14 System: x86 System: Linux 2.6.35.11-83 x86_64 Desktop: Professional SP3 Desktop: Gnome-Shell 2.31.5 OS: FreeBSD 7.3-p3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI+putty <>-- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
RE: firefox/xulrunner-bin confusion
-Original Message- From: devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Orion Poplawski Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 7:06 AM To: Development discussions related to Fedora Subject: firefox/xulrunner-bin confusion Fired up top on my F-15 system and saw a big application called "xulrunner-bin" running. This is firefox 4 of course, but I'm wondering if it would be worth doing something to try to ease possible confusion. At the moment thunderbird shows up as thunderbird-bin but I could imagine someday it looking like the current firefox process (and other xulrunner apps). Thoughts? Full process: /usr/lib64/xulrunner-2/xulrunner-bin /usr/lib64/firefox-4/application.ini --sm-config-prefix /xulrunner-bin-VuWa5A/ --sm-client-id 10626f6e6100012917385660016250044 --screen 0 What are suggesting, renaming the processes to differentiate them a bit more than what is current? Regards -- PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au Command lines and Linux terminals are my comfort zone! OS: Windows XP OS: Fedora 14 System: x86 System: Linux 2.6.35.11-83 x86_64 Desktop: Professional SP3Desktop: GNOME 2.32.0 OS: FreeBSD 7.3-p3 System: i386 Server: Headless-WebUI -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: kernel-2.6.36.x for F14?
On 2/12/2011 5:24 AM, Christof Damian wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 20:20, Joshua C. wrote: >> Is there any chance that we'll get the kernel-2.6.36.x on f14? > or 2.6.37 even :-) Yeah I'm also curious about this. Is F14 going to get another kernel update or will F15 be the next recipient of a new kernel version? Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Some thoughts on Audacious in Fedora
So it seems that Audacious is not as flexible between its own different version releases? What is with that? Surely that much can't change between releases to make the plug-ins fail between versions? -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: NetworkManager doesn't start on boot
Agreed with others, I can't see Network Manager having issue with SELinux. Can you post SELinux reporting details? -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web C and L Jones - Proprietors ABN: 98 317 740 240 WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au or photoresoluti...@comcen.com.au -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Introducing wicked
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 17:24 +0100, Olaf Kirch wrote: > Presenting wicked network configuration > === > > This is the first public release of wicked, an experimental framework > for network configuration. > > You may ask, don't we have enough of those already? Don't we have > NetworkManager, connman, netcf, and a few more? > > The point I started from was the desire to unify what is usually provided > through the traditional ifup script kudzu, with some of the more desktop > oriented services provided by facilities like NetworkManager. I also > wanted to move towards a more powerful set of functionality written in > C, which is able to subsume functionality provided by ifconfig, ip(8), > brctl, vconfig, ethtool, etc, and be able to drive these through an > extensible XML representation of the network configuration. > > Kind of the Grand Unified Theory of network configuration :-) > > Right now, this implementation uses a daemon service and a command > line utility. These two communicate securely via a local UNIX socket, > allowing the server to validate the client's user id. > > The server offers a REST interface to various aspects of network > configuration. The client application uses REST calls to retrieve > interface configuration and status, or to reconfigure interfaces. > The path space used by the API can be extended to cover other aspects > of network configuration as well, such as reading, writing and restoring > the resolv.conf file. > > After having hacked on this for a while, I want to release this to > the community for feedback. > > If you're interested in finding out more, you will find a README > and several manpages in the source code, which is available from > http://gitorious.org/wicked > I'm going to be a little more positive with my comments for Olaf. The way I read his original post, is he is simply providing an alternative in addition to what we already have. I certainly didn't ready it as a replacement proposal. Good work Olaf. Keep up the good work. For future reference, we need to encourage these sorts of development projects. It's great for both Fedora and Linux. Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora 15, new and exciting plans
On Sun, 2010-11-14 at 01:14 +0100, Lennart Poettering wrote: > LVM actually slows down boot considerably. Not primarily because its > code was slow or anything, but simply because it isn't really written in > the way that things are expected to work these days. This is true and all. But it's easily worked around by keeping /boot on a non-LVM partition. I use a LVM setup and it works flawlessly. /boot on ext2, and / on LVM ext4. And you can't really complain at a 5-6 second boot time with the aforementioned setup. There's absolutely no reason to remain on old style DOS partitioning setups on Linux. Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: A comps group for the Design Suite
On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 10:54 +0530, Ankur Sinha wrote: > On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 11:50 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > Right, but I'm saying that the "Design Suite" group might be more > > appropriate in all cases. > > hello, > > Do you mean getting rid of the "Graphics" group and creating a new > "Design Suite" group? > > Is there a procedure for this? I mean like filing a ticket some place? > -- I'm confused about the whole conversation. What exactly are you talking about Bill when you refer to creating a new "comps" group? Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web www: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com @: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au ABN: 98 317 740 240 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Ubuntu 10.10's installer looks rather nice
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 11:41 +0100, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > I installed and played with Ubuntu 10.10 over the weekend (in a VM), > and I have to say that their installer is very smooth indeed. As a full-time Ubuntu user, I just want to point out that I don't really like the Ubuntu installer and its whole process. Although I do prefer to use to distro itself. When I do use Fedora, I really enjoy the whole live-image-copy process as its super fast and efficient and it does the job well. It's much faster than the installer of Ubuntu. So again, as a full-time Ubuntu user, the Fedora Development Team should be very proud of what they've achieved with the Fedora and Anaconda Installer. Regards Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: LibreOffice
On Sat, 2010-10-02 at 15:21 +0100, Paul F. Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > Given the fun which looks to be happening over OOo due to Oracle, are > there any plans to drop OOo and move over to LibreOffice (which looks to > be at version 3.2.999 - pretty much the same as OOo currently is at). > The full release version is penned in for Christmas (or there abouts). > > I have no problems helping package this behemoth! > > TTFN > > Paul I'll say one thing for LibreOffice, there's certainly no shortage of interest in it. Cheers -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 E: chrisjo...@comcen.com.au W: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Tsclient
On Sat, 2010-09-04 at 18:17 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Samstag, den 04.09.2010, 13:27 +0100 schrieb Christopher Brown: > > > The new tsclient 2.0 GUI is terrible and these days there are far > > superior alternatives in the form of gnome-rdp and remmina which I > > happily use and provide a better end-user experience. > > BTW: gnome-rdp is no more, remmina is it's successor. > > Regards, > Christoph > Although I'm no fan of Mono, I am a user of gnome-rdp. I ditched tsclient a long time ago in favor of gnome-rdp as it's much better and much more stable. Christoph, what on earth makes you think that gnome-rdp is obsolete and has been replaced? Although they have a similar look, feel and function, gnome-rdp and remmina are two completely different applications. Regards -- Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: F14 youtube support?
On Thu, 2010-09-02 at 10:34 +, Petr Pisar wrote: > On 2010-09-01, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > > > Is there any possibility to use Youtube in Fedora 14? First I tried to > > install Adobe Flash 10.1. I tried to copy flashlib to various dirs > > /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, > > ~/.mozilla/plugins, but about:plugins in Firefox doesn't show me any > > informationa about flash support. > Adobe Flash Player is not produced for x86_64 architecture by vendor. > (It used to be, however it containted serious security flaws). To use > it by 64b Firefox, you need to install a wrapper that converts 64b NPAPI > to 32b. However according my experience it causes crashes (tested on > Gentoo). > > So IMHO there is no way how to use Adobe Flash Player on x86_64. > > > I installed gnash package and Firefox showed information about Adobe > > plugin - I tried to run some videos, but the only thing I saw was > > a fancy error message about gnash. > > Which error message, which version? > > I have no problem when Gnash 0.8.8 is compiled against ffmpeg (Gentoo again, > sorry). > > I tried this viedeo <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoNvsiBTQDE> on > Fedora 13. It's compiled against Gstreamer, and it complainead about > missng AAC decoder. I installed gstreamer-plugins-bad > (http://www.gstreamer.net/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-bad-plugins/html/gst-plugins-bad-plugins-plugin-faad.html) > and the sound in > Gnash started to work. Video worked already becuase of other gstreamer > plugin probably. > > However these gstreamer plugins are not in offical Fedora repository > because of regional patents. They come from rpmfusion-free repositories. > > -- Petr > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Is this problem with flash not working on x86_64 architecture limited to Fedora or what? I use Ubuntu 10.04 64bit as my primary operating system and have 32bit Flash installed with wrapper inside Firefox 4.0 beta 4 and have no problems. There I ask the question, what is wrong with doing the same thing in Fedora? Regards -- Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Proprietary search engines
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:20 -0400, Al Dunsmuir wrote: > Please do not ignore that the browser is there for the user to use, > not for Fedora to stream information in spite of the user's wishes. > > This is Linux, not some Microsoft (or Apple) "we know what is best for > you" system. > Al > > I couldn't have summed it up better myself. That's exactly right. The browser is there for the user sitting at his desk and staring at the screen. The user. And Fedora considering forcing and flooding the home page with their own informational crap, 90% of it probably useless, makes us just as bad as Google. Don't you think it's kind of hypocritical? I can see the many valid points that have been made with this discussion, but to me it seems a bit tacky to even be discussing the issue to this degree. And I revert from using the term "issue" because I sincerely don't believe there is one. I think many here are forgetting that Google is our friend. And Google Inc. as a company not only support free and open source software but they are also part of that very community and have done their fair share for the FOSS community over the years. And when you think about it, sure Google Search is proprietary code and all, but it's pretty amazing what Google let you do with their tools and apps, all for free! I'm sure an exception can be made for such a small thing. Google Inc. seems to be treated as an enemy of FOSS here, but they're not. And I think it's disgraceful that's how you're all painting a unsubstantiated target on them. My solution to a problem that never was; amend the policy guidelines and move on to some more serious issues. Regards -- Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Search Engine Proposal
Just to clear a few things up and to simplify things a little for those that may have just entered the discussion. Google Search is not open-source. Yes, sure you can use and access Google Search freely and implement it into your own site code, but all the Google Search code and it's working functions remains on Google's servers and all the searching is done via Google's servers. By including Google Search into your own site, in this case x-Fedora.org-x, you are simply using Google Search via linking on your site. Think hyperlinking, nothing more. Google Search source code is not open-source and I don't have a problem with that and I think that the policy guidelines for which the Fedora/Red Hat Development Community abides should be revised/relaxed slightly to highlight this. But that's not for me to decide. It's a tough situation as there are free and open-source web search tools that we could include into Fedora, but it's not going to be for web search and only for internal Fedora server searching. Hence why I believe the policy guidelines should be revised, because there's is simply no free and open source web search engine like Google/Yahoo and Bing Search. Let's hope this changes in the future. Regards -- Chris Jones -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/12/2010 11:15 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > By network install, I meant using a local intranet-based HTTP or FTP > server to install from. Ok fair enough, I misunderstood what you meant. My apologies. Regards - -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMZeUmAAoJEDb/U0a6C32qRboH/ihXxGZdW9YXiLXjYgcDMPMU EUoRQVgx13ue2AzGleV7d0/aqa8uRGVdNVNnUOMl1tA75rl5brv50+cIgM6i76Fm kfljrH4Mftz2c3DRaLkBcW0s+UmkU58IuVPzSsRlmaXgomliPzxv7VB8qXTg6wa+ Bbc5luHP6YdQcKOcjflOJ7QT1zfxO2bAlbqFak4U6IWIGkcKqOdSvC5T0G7OtYzM HBOlYqmmG8aYTGPnpftw6myL0fGlpdQpjoAtCygF8cZnre74wrQO9Rz4VbNdl8Nx HwzKZWs9uD+crlUYGk3VL/gfqhL0o1/ANhomuku0R0HFXcjIPGQC6aPm9X+rBDo= =2mLp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 14 Alpha RC3 Available Now!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is common for iso size to be over the 700MB target size due to most developers and testers doing their work in virtual machines these days. Therefore, iso size is not an issue. And bringing it back down to below the 700MB size limit for CD is always aimed for for the final release(s). And Michael Cronenworth, some of us (myself included) live in countries where broadband is still way behind where it should be for the year 2010. Namingly where I live, Australia, where high speed b/band suitable for network installs comes at a rather large cost. Therefore, we resort to downloading images instead for convenience. Regards - -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMY9aQAAoJEDb/U0a6C32qIswIAINyfvyYV8BHK/Jj4Y9FOIrM XZA5bimQ/BE7zo1MWmJQYHWYXakNjjjzG5TWKgW2JotrOX+ECZcSiLZ2c52QfNw1 bf+ZPThzML1pttH6nli2nWxfyzaXI+W757uawygMPiBgYtsDpkSYL+uYNMc/M//j cmGCO+n4Y1L9lDLKMeaG9P3Sbt85dXWz3dJDebaA84hpaUbeshj1mvsB2iGFaAUM 8oIyK9BFFnFaEqpr5aTAhluF77ymEes2OcdB17ibNj4uGUkiDfSL1PEu0MPif1Ve nRn5wzifyqS/UgtgXl2iVdiDCRGw4E9UK9HMFkvTGi3fKID/NFSk8MSVXFOxAQo= =bFa0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Nice work...
On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > > Hello, > > I recently acquired a Toshiba L655 laptop, fairly new stuff (both > network card drivers have yet to be merged into the mainline kernel). I > had issues getting Fedora installed, it had massive kernel panics > related to ACPI, but installed with acpi=off. Doing so removed some > advanced features, like power management and cpu frequency scaling. > However, after a BIOS update, acpi now works and I've been having a good > time playing around. The reason for this email is as a thank you to all > those who played a part in the 'polishing' work that goes into making > something like Fedora work well on a laptop. All the function keys work, > I don't know how it knows which key should do what, but pressing Fn+3/4 > adjusts the volume, just like in the original OS this thing had > installed, the kill switch Fn+F8 works, Brightness, suspend, special > buttons that lock the mousepad etc etc etc... Its really nice to get the > operating installed, and not have to do anything manually to get this > kind of stuff working. So pat on the back to those involved in the > polishing, little nit picky details like these. > > Thanks, > Gnat > It's always great to hear stories like this. ;-) Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: desktop responsiveness patches
On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > > This sounds interesting: > > http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ3OQ > It's funny because I never really thought it was a problem on such a large scale of systems. I had always though that it was something to do with one of my hard drives/hardware to my system specifically. lol By reading the article, at least we can see they are working on the problem. Although it's not yet fixed 100%, at least it's a start. Let's hope it gets backported to 2.6.32 kernels, maybe... :-) -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Gnome 3 delayed
2010/7/29 Michał Piotrowski : > 2010/7/29 Chris Jones : >> >> I'm not going to pretend that I'm not pleased about the delay. I plan >> to keep using G2 for as long as I possible can, long after the Gnome 3 >> release. > > Is it possible to disable gnome-shell in the gnome 3? Or because it is > not the case you want to continue to use gname 2? > > Regards, > Michal > > BTW. I know how difficult this transition can be - I still do not like > kde 4 when I liked a kde 3... > -- I just don't like the direction that Gnome development is heading with G3. And I think that the changes being made are unnecessary to move the desktop environment forward. I prefer a more less intrusive and simplified desktop such as G2 in its current form. I also agree with your KDE3 versus KDE4 comments. I much liked KDE3. And am not a great fan of KDE4 although it is finally starting to mature. I am currently using KDE4.4.4 with 2.6.34 kernel and I have to admit that it is very snappy indeed. Much snappier than some of the earlier iterations of KDE4. Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Gnome 3 delayed
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 12:36 AM, James Laska wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-28 at 16:27 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It seems that Gnome 3 will be released in march 2011. How will this > > affect Fedora 14? Gnome 3 was an important feature of F14. > > > > http://lwn.net/Articles/397482/ > > I believe it will continued to be offered as an experimental option. > From http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gnome3#Contingency_Plan ... > > "If gnome-shell is not complete or stable enough, keep it experimental > and stay with 'classical GNOME' as the default. Users will still be able > to try the shell manually, just like in F12 and F13. " > > Thanks, > James > I'm not going to pretend that I'm not pleased about the delay. I plan to keep using G2 for as long as I possible can, long after the Gnome 3 release. Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox 4 for Fedora 14?
I'm sure there'd be enough time to squeeze in FF4.0. Assuming there's no development delays with Mozilla. Regards -- http://home.comcen.com.au/foxmulder881/signature/details.html -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Fedora 14 and firefox
It'll come through as an update in the updates repo, I suspect. There might be a beta version included depending on its stability at the time of a F14 release I guess. Regards -- Chris Jones Freelance Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web W: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com E: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer E: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) keys.gnupg.net KeyID: 769A8262 Public Key Fingerprint: 94D0 BFAE 87A5 376E FCB2 CEBD C717 CD87 769A 8262 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: I am not available
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > It is all listed at > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/TillMaas > > Rahul Thanks mate. Chris -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: I am not available
What packages do you own/maintain? Listing them might be helpful. Oh, and sorry to hear about your accident. And I hope you get better soon. Regards -- Chris Jones Freelance Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web W: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com E: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer E: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 OpenSSL 0.9.8k Public Key Fingerprint: c3:df:a7:c0:d7:63:06:2b:50:c1:e8:aa:b7:77:3f:7a -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically? (was Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile)
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > And IMHO 8 weeks is too much, it should be somewhere between 2 and 4. > > Kevin Kofler > > I initially thought 8 weeks was too long also, but I guess people have busy lifestyles. 4 weeks is probably more realistic. If you can't access your email and reply within 4 weeks then there's definitely something going on there. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Make pkgdb grant co-maintainer status automatically? (was Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile)
> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Sven Lankes wrote: > > Maybe we could tweak the pkgdb in a way that a co-maintainer request > would automatically be granted if it isn't answered within a long enough > timeframe (say 8 weeks). > > That way packages with AWOL maintainers could grow co-maintainers > without going through the complicated AWOL-process. > > -- > sven === jabber/xmpp: s...@lankes.net > -- Sounds reasonable enough to me. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Non-responsive maintainer fast track procedure for libsndfile
This seems to be happening a lot lately regarding maintainers and/or co-maintainers losing interest in their projects somewhere along the line and just stopping development without any warning and notification to other members who may be interested. I am wondering, is the process efficient enough for other willing developers to take over development of unplanned orphaned and unmaintained code from unresponsive developers/maintainers and co-maintainers? Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer Email: -- GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Public Key Fingerprint: 6915 0761 5754 D091 99F4 5384 BA37 FD5D 34F9 F115 -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: @fedoraproject.org email alias
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: > > > I just added him to the Design Team group so his alias should start > working. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > Thanks. Yes it is now working correctly. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or Fedora Design Suite Developer and Co-Maintainer -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
@fedoraproject.org email alias
I have just joined as a member and co-maintainer of the Fedora Design Suite. Apparently, as a member of the Fedora community I am entitled to the email alias foxmulder...@fedoraproject.org. Whereas foxmulder881 is my username. Now I can't for the life of me get the email alias to work correctly and every time I send an email to that address as a test, it bounces. What's going on or what am I doing wrong? Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox conflicts xulrunner
Good to hear. Chris -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Firefox conflicts xulrunner
Firefox 3.6.4 has come through the Ubuntu repos already. I would have thought that 3.6.4 would be through the Fedora sets by now. Has it not yet arrived? Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: or -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Looking for Design Suite (Co-) Maintainers
I'd be interested if you're still after some help mate. Let me know. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Can anyone contact Gérard Milmeister (gemi)?
He's probably just out of the game. Considering he's been inactive for 8 months now. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Orphaning diveintopython
Yeah I considered taking it over myself when it was first put up for offer. But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that it could be quite hands-on considering the constant evolution of the python code. At least you realized this early and was able to offer it up to someone who may be able to take care of it better than yourself. Good move. Regards -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: libjpeg for F14
Right, so they're still using libpng* but the more updated version. I read the original post as not using libpng at all and using another library as an alternative. Sorry, my misunderstanding. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: pub 2048R/8C088061 5/25/2010 Chris Jones Primary key fingerprint: FAC6 F8E8 868C 8DAB 9DEA 7602 8252 65AD 8C08 8061 -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) - WinPT 1.4.3 Charset: UTF-8 Comment: Gnu Privacy Tools Comment: Download at http://www.gnupt.de mQENBEv7YxMBCADIYm1hzSAgJkzTfs0jvPNMdM23M5qCwgylKE6uCW7iTMke7vhM lO1+2dMFBxplGHq33QRC0qyercYGtACUSb8BYOtHXZaYfM8E20HJHvXaWWFQBk3S HGbUnzNO3NzU4pDGJoi5eBH4MkD5FEpkMe1s0Dw9UoWdkQRvMUYhBzGpXxUFz/W8 0uPkfZdeziYlZZ8lUxcw95GfqBbRKLoKYrP/jCBH9BeFNgixpeIiHYt8rHoEg9T1 N9tajw8aRJGJdIgZ6DNirDkFOpYWtSjj0dlDnMy9uPOcrdHlPDjZ0Sw4FrGyb9TR KoeIpxk3vOlS6nP4HsWjagP0oZzqvdDf9UC1ABEBAAG0JkNocmlzIEpvbmVzIDxj aHJpc2pvbmVzQGNvbWNlbi5jb20uYXU+iQE4BBMBAgAiBQJL+2MTAhsDBgsJCAcD AgYVCAIJCgsEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCCUmWtjAiAYcmtB/4wpRgf6SZ8H0uFEpIs x6kxLEsTKzNcW4JNJVPLrSFzTQkslhn6gu+3NVS9qG0whpBVh/eThPVK/zBRzNvw f5EfI09EKEeGJ9nnTWnVhDDJYnHFXC+w3dgDKv5C5VN1ARGiw8Eot7mgfSv5gcso VwqA4/Jx3q34sLn7z5AMHa9TamlpffzQma+HqCjn37aaZcx1AGsLlCDVENJcyVKi +lk8qWvB/1DhEVpSFFlrEouMxvUUWZp9kyT4sXcIuxMUpvPYzM5l7iYxqk6KhC0V hhnfzDr/exOfLgVhkIzIY8ZR1zeErkQq4seLFJC/ZdpoD1L1acMJoMzwu+1HjmUv VwtfuQENBEv7YxMBCADajxmRiD2en8fSD5dqa4MwjtNmSKOfzNY2a+a9+Y5VPPYM irT5c78p6CPLQvgrfgTuPzENk+dsxiIQjyJCOATrrueIFExmBNon9sEEyVzHk9GU DxdW6eAak5Nlr8qQwc7EpS+KiEwap/TJu/PgIYDg2rGpDGVmZnK5bAG4An2AJJ+n 8i9J/773pQs3iK3HZyjPqAb9Oy03gILRsUydTaj0wXc/5ELgV7UhBay9pc5tOoVV 39Ko9km3VsxeTfcMHcOc46n70tFzyOI/ntsG8GuIAuKAFcn1x8Kdst7no3VrozDT uPMR+IxJeZ9JKGCz+U0zphecyCi59Ve/Ur77LDKrABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAkv7 YxMCGwwACgkQglJlrYwIgGF5Tgf/S/5pob7MROT8Q6wVQ3i939eiFUeoHYwO/5Et DoJIKfXKJW0UHf/HMQt7OhXZSWJWhPX+S2dEPDuIr0QvmGUtRpiuziP8VFdxb6wD iPm+InsSSSkSZwM+HzK504lXRr4oJgyuw5X/v3+LtfSL9aKHspP81/axP7q0fGiH WTTuJmzylfBMrBeZD44E8+LFHcDJ7fBxlxXMKH6gdx3rF6AH2ejz1miW6ETbZiba O5IDcCSuTiMmuqsiNblDp7p6F69tAykbkk5XWwJ/JLxpjOnqgMUBNNgPM2b5JLg2 EjsErAnezLn3XHqLZfCCkVhlKnQeMRmWaiQEJC7lso4rd3VA8w== =ggBQ -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: libjpeg for F14
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Chen Lei wrote: > repoquery --whatrequires --alldeps libpng10 > libpng10-0:1.0.53-1.fc14.x86_64 > libpng10-0:1.0.53-1.fc14.i686 > gnome-libs-1:1.4.2-15.fc12.i686 > libpng10-devel-0:1.0.53-1.fc14.i686 > gnome-libs-1:1.4.2-15.fc12.x86_64 > libpng10-devel-0:1.0.53-1.fc14.x86_64 > > > libpng10 is removed in many distributions including debian, ubuntu, arch, > why it still be maintained in fedora? > > > Do we have a policy to remove long legacy libs? > > > Chen Lei > > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > I'm curious as to what Debian/Ubuntu are using as a replacement for libpng10? -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Increase grub timeout
I was under the impression that a timeout is intentional/used only if another operating system is detected upon installation. ie. Windows. If no other operating system is detected, then there's no point having a timeout. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Increase grub timeout
So what's the actual bug? I've read through the tracker list and I still can;t for the life of me detect an actual bug, but rather an annoyance for a select few. However, I do agree that there should be a delay increase for GRUB timeout. More so like that of Debian, Ubuntu etc. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions - Photo Printing, Editing and Restorations Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: s/redhat/system in package names
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > hi, > > Long time ago, all *redhat* packages were renamed to "system*". > But three of them are still alive: redhat-lsb, redhat-menus and > redhat-rpm-config > > Should they switch to "system-" ? > > -thanks- > > -- > «Allá muevan feroz guerra, ciegos reyes por un palmo más de tierra; > que yo aquí tengo por mío cuanto abarca el mar bravío, a quien nadie > impuso leyes. Y no hay playa, sea cualquiera, ni bandera de esplendor, > que no sienta mi derecho y dé pecho a mi valor.» > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Although I am not familiar with what you've mentioned, is there a point for the change? I'm curious, -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Great work on F13
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:03 PM, kernel basher wrote: > Wow, > > Great work on Fedora 13. > > I just installed F13 on my R61 Lenovo. It has the familiar feel that I > expect with fedora and the installer worked flawlessly and quickly, except > it didn't automatically pick up another Linux OS, so I added that in > manually to menu.lst > Once I installed flash and then added the Fusion repo for multi media and > I'm good. > > Currently the testing updates are causing some dependency issues, so I plan > to sit tight and see if that improves. > > Otherwise, great work. Brilliant OS. And easy to use. > > Thanks! > > Carl > -- > devel mailing list > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > I also had the trouble of Fedora not detecting another Linux distro at the time of installation. Although I can't remember what disro it was at the time. But Fedora does seem to have this continuing issue from release to release. I never seem to experience it with Ubuntu, Debian etc. What's the story with Fedora and its ignorant grub config upon install? It detects all Windows OS's just fine but not its own *nix cousins. ;-( -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: os
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:50 PM, jerrick Davis wrote: > > I made a operating system anyone up for testing it for me > > > > > > -- > > Lama boy ;-) > > > > -- > > devel mailing list > > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > > > ** I'm happy to test it out. If your interested, send me an email with some more details. As others have mentioned, we need more information. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Shell commands like to OS/2 shell (or MS PowerShell)
>>On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 19/04/10 23:51, Slava Zanko wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi folk, > > > > I want to propose new idea about names of command line utilites... > > > > For example, all present utilites have sence just for guru's (ls, rm, > > fsck etc), but for novies it's hard to use. > > Bookmark this: > http://ss64.com/bash/ > > Less typing, less for novices to forget. > > -- > Regards, > > Frank Murphy > UTF_8 Encoded, Fedora.x86 64-32 Hybrid > > I'm against any change. It makes perfect sense the way it is now. And it's great for those who use both Linux and Unix because most commands are interoperable between the two platforms. And beyond that, it's fast as a result of keeping commands short and easy to remember. I haven't met a newbie yet that is even interested in learning how to interact with the command-line. They all seem to be some new breed migrating from Windows and expecting *nix to operate in a 1:1 manner. And for those who do want to learn it, do exactly that--learn it. It just takes time. Be patient. I think there's more important things to focus on regarding Linux development. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional and Graphic Designer ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions Web: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com Email: -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
Re: Update question: some user data
>>then i seriously think we are following different lists :/ >>as adam's poll is starting to show the majority of fedora users choose fedora for the fact that it is >>leading the way with the newer software and that it has constant updates. (ie >>freedom,friends,features,first!) this argument that most fedora users want a more stable system is not >>what the fedora users i came across are after. tbh i think this whole identity crisis is blown of of all >>proportion, you'd think that something like this would have come with the fedora10 dbus probs or the >>'stabilisation cannot be detected' not now with a little kde popup window :0 +1 for these comments. I run both Fedora, Ubuntu and Sidux distros and find that Fedora is the most cutting edge of them all. It's always the first to introduce new technology whether stable or experimental. And that's one of the reasons I run different distros, for different reasons. And the aforementioned being the main reason I ran Fedora. Traditionally, Ubuntu's (and Debian's) focus has always been more on stability rather than cutting/bleeding edge. It's good because it gives us, the user, choice. Which is what Linux is all about after all. Cheers. -- Chris Jones Photographic Imaging Professional ABN: 98 317 740 240 Photo Resolutions http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
