On Wed, May 01, 2024 at 02:15:20PM GMT, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Hey folks.
>
> hiredis 1.2.0 has been out a long while now, and with some prodding I am
> finally looking at updating rawhide to it.
>
> A interested user ran a mass prebuild:
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org
ora} version), cannot specify
a -b backup file extension for each patch. So it is not a fair comparison.
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y the
choice between a backwards-incompatible syntax (added only in RPM 4.18) and
an ugly and redundantly verbose syntax (the -P syntax). And even the modern
syntax is 1 character (space) longer for every patch. The shortest syntax
was the one being dropped.
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EPEL8/9 builds)?
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>
> Yes. It's been supported for a very long time.
%patch -P is already documented in the 1997 First Edition of Maximum RPM.
Here is the link in the 2000 online edition:
https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/rpm/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html#S3-RPM-INSIDE-WHICH-PATCH-TAG
Kevi
them for review. Since they are using a different
upstream and the buildsystem and other things have changed anyhow, a
review is probibly a good idea. Then, as part of that you can find a
sponsor...
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/package-maintainers/Joi
ccount with the same email as your fas account (or
your bugzilla account field setting) should do the trick.
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> Jens
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> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 2:11 PM Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
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> > * Sundeep Anand [07/05/2024 05:50] :
> > >
> > > (not su
ade download; dnf offline-upgrade reboot` or so. It's a
> footgun as it stands.
Perhaps the dnf5 version could be just:
dnf offline-upgrade
(and it automatically does --refresh and it downloads and then says "packages
downloaded, ok to reboot into the upgrade now? y/n)" ?
On Sat, May 04, 2024 at 11:32:21AM GMT, Dominik Wombacher wrote:
> On 5/3/24 8:00 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > So, help would definitely be welcome fixing the matrix/irc issues in the
> > code, and then we could look at mass updating it.
> >
>
> I briefly look
e other
more important things we have going on. :(
So, help would definitely be welcome fixing the matrix/irc issues in the
code, and then we could look at mass updating it.
Or perhaps we should be looking at retiring fedocal, but would probibly
want an open source alternative we could use or dep
e oldest possible Java as I suggest, it will have
to get fixed anyway.) As is, you may need to explicitly:
BuildConflicts: java-1.8.0-devel
BuildConflicts: java-11-devel
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cause subtle misbehavior that is a pain to debug is just too high,
especially if we have the actual older JDK available and could just
BuildRequire the correct version.
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a version (the oldest JDK branch that we still ship
if the library supports that, otherwise the oldest the library supports).
And IMHO, if the library is built against a higher version than the lowest
we ship, it needs a versioned Requires on the JRE.
know if I missed anything.
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Miro Hrončok wrote:
> If you wish to help, I guess you can send a pull request to the release
> notes...
Or Mattia could simply unretire and adopt the package.
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ji, so it should pick
that up in tomorrow's rawhide automatically. I don't think anything
needs manually updating, but if I am missing something let me know.
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d users to break?
All this just so that lazy packagers do not have to increment a number (in
most cases a single-character change, in some cases (such as a minor bump or
every 10 major bumps) a two-character change, rarely more) when doing a new
build.
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> But as others have pointed out, in the light of distrosync and
> macro-determined differences etc. we may just as well give up the
> illusion that "-5" means the same in different branches, and
> consequently lift the sorting policy between different bran
t replace %autorelease with a correctly manually bumped Release
in the specfile as part of doing the rebuild.
Just letting %autorelease do its thing and ending up with a full bump would
be incorrect, so it should not even be considered as an option.
Kev
Adam Williamson wrote:
> Well, it really wants to write to /lib , not to /usr. But of course, on
> Fedora, /lib is /usr/lib .
Sigh… Time for a UsrUnmerge? :-)
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ast-forwarded again. But a clean linear history is no longer possible
after someone did an unwanted cherry pick instead of a fast-forward merge.
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On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 11:16:28AM GMT, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2024-04-26 at 08:56 +0200, Jan Kolarik wrote:
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > Personally, I think this is a beta requirement.
> > >
> >
> > IIUC the Fedora 41 Beta requirement is to succe
ng the system-upgrade, users are
> anyway
> advised to ensure that all installed packages are fully updated.
So, how do you rate the chances of having something ready by beta
freeze?
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wish there was a better way to avoid duplication between all the spins.
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nk having /usr/lib64/lp64d be a symlink to /usr/lib64 is in
violation of any standard.
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mitted for consideration again, but that has
not yet happened.
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with the compat package, to
> complete the transition away from Redis).
I do not see why we need a separate compat subpackage at all. Valkey should
just Obsolete/Provide redis and include all the compat symlinks in the main
package.
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view, the fact that, in those implementations, there is no
Treacherous Computing hardware preventing me from doing what I want with my
own private key (e.g., just copying the same key to all my devices, as I can
also do with TOTP) is actually a feature, even if it goes against the
"security&qu
lso some hardcoded if (optimize_size) peppered
throughout various GCC optimizations and even target files (to choose
between faster or smaller instructions).
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would be affected,
etc.
So, sure, it's possible, but would be a lot of new code needing written.
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arger is Python at -O3 compared to -O2? And other packages?
I would like to see -Os as the default.
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ith, you can just SFTP your
~/.config/org.kde.keysmith/Keysmith.conf from/to all your GNU/Linux
computers including the PinePhone or equivalent, and they will all be able
to generate the same TOTP keys with the same master key.
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> course, keep somewhere safe and ideally encrypted). Google
> Authenticator can backup To The Cloud.
yeah, I'll put in a plug for the one I use:
https://github.com/beemdevelopment/Aegis
It's open source, available on f-droid and play store, can to encrypted
backups, pretty acti
se. Also, there might be cases where the dependent package
does have to change... ie, foo-1.0 works with django-3.2, but when 4.2
lands you have to upgrade to foo-2.0 to work with it?
Anyhow, I think this is a pretty reasonable process, but we should make
sure and communicate it
someone, but if thats manually it could be missed.
I think in any case it might be good to find all the {proven}packager
members without otp and perhaps email them a note about how to set
things up, etc.
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I wonder if this isn't something we should have the QE or releng teams
manage... ie, adding new branch info (releng), adjusting tests (qe)?
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thon executable, but there are plenty of other cases where
autotools and Meson also do automagic, which is why building outside of a
chroot is such a bad idea.
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ort. So for me there is a clear consensus to NOT implement your proposal
at all, not even with an opt-out option.
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On Mon, Apr 08, 2024 at 06:19:31PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2024 at 10:45:52AM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > = Discussed and Voted in the Ticket =
> >
> > Change: GNU Toolchain F41
> > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3
t just makes my life
harder for no benefit whatsoever.
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> Perhaps it's time to discuss imposing financial and/or legal penalties
> when the opt-in nature of the change goes away.
Who would impose those? And from whom to whom would the money flow? I do not
think this can work.
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eted update, edit the update to refresh the list of
> builds, and save an "empty" update. Not sure if that will work though
> ... Then it would be possible to tag the builds into a fresh side-tag.
You cannot remove the last build from an update, so you would have to
rebuild the one thing any
That's why you should never build packages outside of mock.
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On Sun, Apr 7 2024 at 13:52:26 +00:00:00, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 10:15:47PM +, Zbigniew
Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
One particular issue I have with CMake as a downstream
Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
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Links to all issues to be
rn more and give back by adopting this package.
>
> I've submitted a sponsorship ticket here:
> https://pagure.io/packager-sponsors/issue/643
Welcome Sean!
Feel free to ask here or in the #devel:fedoraproject.org matrix channel
if you run into any problems/questions.
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the Plasma Edition be a Scientific Edition) from non-scientific KDE
users who understandably did not want to have to install a Scientific
Edition and then uninstall lots of niche apps they will never use from it.
But that discussion became moot because the Edition application was rejec
p as described above is probably a
better fit for traditional desktop/notebook computers.
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Tomasz Torcz wrote:
> GNOME (Mutter) maximizes windows if they initially take 80% of more
> screen space.
And I believe that that, too, was a refinement added in later releases.
IIRC, GNOME 3.0 just maximized everything.
Kevin
kstation might be declining because people are installing
other desktop Spins, or a custom selection from Everything, instead. :-)
None of those will have fedora-release-workstation installed.
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pretty good post summarizing the issues with autotools, both
generally and in the context of the xz vulnerability:
https://felipec.wordpress.com/2024/04/04/xz-backdoor-and-autotools-insanity/
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r packages, they likely already
just know this from interacting with the upstream project already.
I don't think we can or should use that for things like deciding if we
allow packages into the collection or the like, there's a lot of ways a
low score there could not matter or be non rep
en/latest/changes.html>.
Yeah, on digging more into the docs it looks like this should be fine.
Just needs adjustment of the config and enabling the timer you want.
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There are changes coming in systemd, openssh and other places that would
make this particular vector harder/impossible also.
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of it where we keep the upstream sources in a branch always
and apply packaging on top of that and build from there.
> 3] Under-resourced development creates risk; 'Many eyes' bench depth in
> development is needed.
Yep. I think also visibility of changes can be improved.
So, maintainers kn
ad
>> key, etc.)" this is also not the case for ages, or at least not in its
>> completeness.
>
> Yes, this did change a few GNOME releases ago.
Of course, having only tried GNOME 3 once, I could not know this.
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with the at the time brand new KDE 1 (version 1.1.1). Having used DOS, the
bash CLI was not that bad to work with, but the distros at the time already
came with GUI environments (FVWM95,
his proposal).
Interesting point. And there I thought it was only because the answer is
always 42. ;-)
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dependencies where it matters.
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oper Linux” isn’t."
>
> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/legal/the-linux-mark
Kinda the same recommendation that also applies to the Fedora trademark, by
the way. But everyone only cares about their own trademark.
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rience felt pretty much unusable to me personally.
KDE Plasma not only has more familiar defaults (actually looking and feeling
much more similar to GNOME 1 than GNOME 3 does), but also lets you easily
change those defaults that you do not like.
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> > for off-hours.
> >
> > My experience is that even |WakeSystem=true does not make them reliable,
> > but I am not sure how to debug this (because the system is suspended, heh).
> >
>
> We do use dnf-automatic quite extensively within infra,
is pointless to feature that particular Edition prominently on
fedoraproject.org. That is why I was asking for download statistics
specifically.
And is there a statistical evaluation of that data somewhere? Downloading
350 MiB (!) of raw CSV data does not sound to me like a convenient way to
work with
bout as much as Kubuntu is Ubuntu.
> (Though, I don't know about 'Kedora' as it has absolutely no meaning XD)
> Though I feel like we should really only go this route if the other ideas
> get completely exhausted...
That is what I tried with Kannolo. Success was… limited, to say the
to a desktop widget or
similar) developed for one of the Fedora desktop deliverables (Workstation
Edition, desktop Spins) is also going to work on any of the others.
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Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> to you? They are quite relevent to others...
I would really like to see what the proportion of users downloading the
Server, IoT, Cloud, and CoreOS Editions is compared to Workstation or the
Spins. I would not expect it to be very high. Most Fedora users are desktop
us
11 rather than Wayland, if
even SDDM does not work properly under Wayland for you.)
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ot;Edition") and
second-class ("Spin" or "Lab") spins, for no benefit whatsoever.
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entionally limited and there are strict rules on
what packages are allowed to depend on it.) It should NEVER be considered
reasonable to break other people's work.
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obably be needed, and a lot of
testing on different hardware will definitely be needed, to make the
multiboot generator work (reliably) again.
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not include that warning.
And this also makes "--force" pretty much useless as it stands.
We and Debian both need to patch aclocal downstream immediately to make
--force actually work. And then of course Fedora needs to actually always
run autoreconf -i -f as Debian already does,
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 04:24:08AM +0200, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Why not the opposite:
> >
> > Download Workstation
> >
> > [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> > downloads, click here
posals can be, and frequently are, rejected.
>
>
> Sorry, for not knowing the process right but where to vote up/down for such
> proposal?
You can provide your feedback here or in the discussion thread.
The actual voting on proposals happens with FESCo members once the
propos
On Wed, Apr 03, 2024 at 07:27:12AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 7:41 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 02, 2024 at 04:38:25PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 3:55 PM Steve Cossette wrote:
> > >
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Why not the opposite:
>
> Download Workstation
>
> [I'm a linux user and know what I want, just show me the full list of
> downloads, click here]?
Because that still leads people to click that "Download Workstation" link
before even seeing
xpect that we will
get lots of media coverage and another bump in downloads from that.
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t least visibly state somewhere what desktop environment
they are based on, an information which some Labs now put in their
description, requiring an extra click to see it, and some not even there.)
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> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > Ok, thats obvously somewhat tounge in cheek, but if we promote multiple
> > things, we need some way to describe them to uses who might not know the
> > history of things and do
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> Ok, thats obvously somewhat tounge in cheek, but if we promote multiple
> things, we need some way to describe them to uses who might not know the
> history of things and do it in a quick enough way that they won't decide
> it's all confusing and go do so
, but if we promote multiple
things, we need some way to describe them to uses who might not know the
history of things and do it in a quick enough way that they won't decide
it's all confusing and go do something else.
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having 2fa seperate make things any better? I mean, it's one more return
you get to hit. ;)
And... I am not sure about moving the handling of passwords to a bash
script from a kinit prompt.
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GNOME everywhere, they are likely to be rejected. (Been there, done that.)
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; option in autoreconf.
Is that not what -f is supposed to do? At least, the documentation claims
so, but the implementation does not actually do what is documented.
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and not "Open Source". :-)
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analyzed the individual targeted distributions, the distributions whose
packaging tools the build script attempts to detect were not just picked
because they are known to link OpenSSH to liblzma, but also individually
tested and targeted.
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that can also write to regular files, without checking that
"$NOTIFY_SOCKET" is really a socket (or checking it with a TOCTOU
vulnerability), introducing an arbitrary file overwrite vulnerability.
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> matrix.
Yeah, there's a final stable push right before freezing.
Thats been done, so check now if you still are looking to get anything
in. If so, it will need a approved freeze exception or blocker.
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sign
regenerate
all files that can be regenerated, which is not happening. But if you
explicitly delete the files before running autoreconf, then it has to
regenerate them no matter what.
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On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 05:07:13PM +, Christopher Klooz wrote:
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> On 31/03/2024 23.08, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 10:30:23PM +0200, Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> > > Not sure, if it was already mentioned -> containers. I had here a toolbox
&g
d pull the latest that doesn't have the affected
build and rerun.
Yes, there are f40 containers available.
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You should pull the latest version and restart any containers you were
running.
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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 03:52:12PM -0500, Alex Thomas wrote:
> Just to be clear, as I was getting ready to put 40 Beta on a test
> machine, this has been fixed. I do the install and run updates and the
> compromised version of xz is never installed?
Correct.
kevin
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