Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > >>> >It's a clean installation, I don't think it needs any magic. Also >>> >third-party repos are not a problem, we just ignore them and they >>> >won't influence the new system. People will add them manually again >>> >once in 18 months. >

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > Release parties and codenames were just examples. It's about the buzz > around releases. You can check Google Trends where you find peaks in > number of searches for Fedora after every release. Or fp.org monthly > stats. You would lose rev

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-04 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Jiri Eischmann wrote: > > This is a very valid argument. I understand this is a devel list, so we > should stay on the technical level, but if we discuss such broad changes > that affect the whole project, we should also take into account other > aspects. > > Switc

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-03 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Sat, 2012-11-03 at 11:28 +0000, mike cloaked wrote: > > > Others may wish to compare Fedora with other distributions also - but > > one thought I had was that in Archlinux there are only two repos to > > mainta

Re: Rolling release model philosophy (was Re: Anaconda is totally trashing the F18 schedule (was Re: f18: how to install into a LVM partitions (or RAID)))

2012-11-03 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 15:17:02 -0700 > Adam Williamson wrote: > > ..snip... > > In my experience, in the last few years, Fedora stable releases have > become much more stable. My "stable" boxes here at home I have not > really had to poke at si

Re: Why is not enabled TapButton of touchpad on Fedora by default?

2012-09-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 1:55 PM, wrote: > devel-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote on 09/18/2012 08:09:33: > >> From: Florian Müllner >> To: Development discussions related to Fedora >> >> Date: 09/18/2012 08:10 >> Subject: Re: Why is not enabled TapButton of touchpad on Fedora by >> default

Arjan talk at the Linux Plumbers Conference

2012-08-29 Thread mike cloaked
Are any Fedora developers going to be going to the talk by Arjan on system updates (https://plus.google.com/114657443111661859546/posts/MGuHZdw2L9R) at the Linux Plumbers Conference? It should be interesting? -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: intel ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware must be removed

2012-07-08 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Xose Vazquez Perez wrote: > hi, > > License is very restrictive. > Please remove them from the distribution. > > ... and for those with that wireless hardware running Fedora what are they supposed to use instead if there is no open source alternative? -- mike c

Re: /usrmove? -> about the future

2012-02-15 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 18:10 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Am 15.02.2012 17:59, schrieb Rahul Sundaram: >> > On 02/15/2012 05:06 PM, Steve Clark wrote: >> >> On 02/15/2012 05:49 AM, Panu Matilainen wrote: >> > >> >>> >> >>> It might be a

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-14 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Doesn't matter. The question is whether there is a change in trend. It's > improbable that KDE adoption is increasing in statistically significant > numbers, while at the same time KDE spin downloads remain flat, just because > people can

Re: Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >  Interesting poll - of course some will jump on it as a non-scientific > and why it's inadequate because it either is too broad an audience or > too narrow .. :-) Or perhaps with only 600+ participants the std error > may be too high (what

Linux Questions Desktop Environment of the Year - interesting result

2012-02-12 Thread mike cloaked
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/2011-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-awards-95/desktop-environment-of-the-year-919888/ Shows an interesting result in terms of DE popularity - though given the many discussions not only on Fedora lists but on other lists for other distros also I am not rea

Re: /usrmove?

2012-02-08 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: > >  There seems to have been a recent pattern (last year or so) of pushing > premature pet projects rapidly without broader fedora engagement. > >  I know this little issue will get sorted out and its still > rawhide/pre-f17. But its part of

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 24/01/12 21:08, Kevin Kofler wrote: > >> I don't think it makes sense for an individual to drive this forward >> without >> any sort of consensus. >> >>         Kevin Kofler >> > > I disagree, in a manner. > Not necessarily drive forward. >

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 24/01/12 20:52, David wrote: > >> A question please? Two related ones actually. >> >> What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we >> expect to see it? >> >> :-)<<<  notice this. >> > > Rooling rooling rooling Rawh

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Jef Spaleta wrote: > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:13 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> So how did Arch Linux cope with that particular set of changes?  I >> suppose Arch Linux collapsed never to recover?  I think not! > > It would behoove the argum

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM, David wrote: > > A question please? Two related ones actually. > > What are you going to name your rolling Linux release? And when can we > expect to see it? > > :-)   <<< notice this. Of course the decision about a name would be a really huge discussion! But if

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >  Moving any large change has challenges - whether periodic or rolling. > >  In that sense, they are no different - both can be a PITA. > >  However, in a rolling model you have the advantage of it being the > -only- change you need to do .

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:59 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > mike cloaked wrote: >> Is there any support at all within the development community for a >> rolling release version of Fedora (and possibly ulitimately Redhat)? > > No. We've had this discussion many times. It ju

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 24/01/12 12:30, mike cloaked wrote: > >> The number of problems that have been reported to the lists for yum >> upgrades seems very large.  Although for any rolling release there >> have been occasions where

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On 24/01/12 12:22, Thomas Moschny wrote: >> >> 2012/1/24 Josh Boyer: >>> >>> How is rawhide not a rolling release?  Or perhaps better asked, what >>> about rawhide makes it >>> unsuitable for use as a rolling Fedora release? >> >> >> This has

Re: The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: >> Fedora would appear to be out of line in not taking on board the >> potential user base for a rolling release version.  For servers there >> would be huge advantages in management of systems. > > Can you list what advantages there are over do

The question of rolling release?

2012-01-24 Thread mike cloaked
Having looked at the way releasing packages and versions in linux has been moving in a number of distributions it is interesting that there are several that now have a rolling-release model. Three of these are: Debian CUT: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/debian-cut-a-new-rolling-release/ http:

Re: Bad package selection practices in Fedora packages

2012-01-04 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:35 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2012-01-04 at 09:52 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > >> I think the error here is less in the coding in packages than in the >> design of the default system specifications, specifically the package >> selection. >> >> The errors gnome has c

Re: Bad coding practices in Fedora packages

2012-01-03 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:32:28PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >>> In my opinion, a "search tool and indexer", even if it brands itself >>> "a p

Re: Bad coding practices in Fedora packages

2012-01-03 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 02:32:28PM +0100, Denys Vlasenko wrote: >> In my opinion, a "search tool and indexer", even if it brands itself >> "a powerful desktop-neutral first class object database", has no valid >> technical reasons to run on the

Thanking Fedora developers for F16

2011-11-11 Thread mike cloaked
Having now used F16 in earnest on a freshly installed laptop I would like to add my thanks to developers for making Verne a superb release. I have had almost no issues during install apart from a couple of minor ones, and once the update from updates-testing is installed to bring KDE to version 4.7

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 16 Final Release Declared GOLD!

2011-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I decided to try another tack this evening on my test machine which > "was" running F15 - I placed the F16 install iso on a partition which > would not be touched - and loop mounted it - then pulled vmlinuz and > init

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 16 Final Release Declared GOLD!

2011-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > See, the problem we solved in RC5 only came when you wrote the installer > to USB with l-i-t-d *and then used it to upgrade an F15 system*. The > problem was that anaconda doesn't filter out the USB key it's installing > from as a potential

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 16 Final Release Declared GOLD!

2011-11-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:22 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: > There are various 'hot topics' exposed during the F16 cycle that we'll > likely expand the matrix to cover better in F17 - bootloader location > issues, EFI issues, USB installer issues (when we first drew up the > installation tests, using

r8712u in f16/17?

2011-09-13 Thread mike cloaked
I saw in the last two weeks in a post by Larry Finger that finally the Realtek r8712u driver has been released for inclusion in the kernel. http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/linux-kernel/2010/8/30/4612930 Is it possible/likely that this may get included in a 3.1 kernel or later for f16 any time be

Re: on /etc/sysconfig

2011-07-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Simo Sorce wrote: >> Some daemons cannot be "fixed", get over with this mantra that daemons >> need be fixed Lennart. > > If I were a betting man I'd wager that all the daemons we ship are > easier to "fi

Re: PLEASE Re: systemd: bugreports for missing service-files

2011-06-21 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:19 AM, Peter Hutterer wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 02:18:48AM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> please read this post, do not answer until tomorrwor and >> try to undertand what i hardly want to explain you >> >> Am 21.06.2011 01:35, schrieb Lennart Poettering: >> > On T

Re: GNOME3 and au revoir WAS: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-14 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: > Its worked super well for me (though less well with GNOME3's effects > etc)... Can you point me to what you mean by the usual info into > xorg.conf?  to be clear, I don't want to run *my* session over VNC. I > want to be able to conne

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 9:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I guess that your reference to moving to upstream indicates that > systemd is now sufficiently established that discussion of problems is > an upstream issue for bug triage/fixing? I would imagine that the user > list may

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/11/2011 12:36 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> Would be nice to see the systemd author join this discussion? > > I am sure you can get answers when someone is off vacation.  However > what would be really nice is t

Re: systemd: please stop trying to take over the world :)

2011-06-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Denys Vlasenko wrote: > On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 16:11 +0200, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> On 06/10/2011 03:59 PM, Steve Clark wrote: >> > On 06/10/2011 09:36 AM, Michal Schmidt wrote: >> >> systemd does not take the system down when it crashes. It catches the >> >> signa

Re: Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Beta!!

2011-04-29 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 8:14 AM, John Keller wrote: > Right now the only options, to my knowledge, are to use the netinst > (hybrid image) or use some special tool/process to convert the DVD ISO > into a bootable USB key. The former can be flaky (as you mention) and > the latter is cumbersome (an

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Beta RC1 Available Now!

2011-04-08 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >  What is confusing about: > >         Alpha-1, Alpha-2 ... Alpha-N >         Beta-1   Beta-2 Beta-N >         RC-1, RC-2 ...       RC-N >         Released. > >  Why on earth do we need a 'candidate' for a release candidate, or an > alp

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 15 Beta RC1 Available Now!

2011-04-08 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > On 4/8/11 12:14 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote: >>> Its the way we do it. >> F13 is the earliest mention I can find mention of "Beta RC" on >> devel-list.  But that doesn't really change the validity of my >> statement.  It's confusing, and we s

Re: How do changes to the FHS happen ? [was Re: What's this /run directory doing on my system and where does it come from?]

2011-03-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 8:41 PM, David Lutterkort wrote: > How do changes to the FHS actually happen ? All I can find is the names > of the three past editors of the standard, and a mailing list that seems > to be overrun by spam. > > There doesn't seem to be any body/group that meets regularly t

Re: F15 Alpha impressions

2011-02-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > Fonts or whatever don't seem to be as nice or full looking as other > releases (F14 or below). > > When in a program (Evolution for example), it seems this is the only one > I see in the task window/panel or whatever up top.  I can't tell Fir

Re: Support for MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor

2011-01-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Kyle McMartin wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:58:36PM +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >> I wonder how long it will be before the RTL8192SU driver will be >> regarded as stable enough to go into mainstream?  This works without >> any problems

Re: Support for MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor

2011-01-26 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:15 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Richard wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:29:44PM +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >>> I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi >>> hardware - so I boug

Re: Support for MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor

2011-01-06 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Richard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:29:44PM +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >> I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi >> hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M >> Wireless USB 2.0

Re: Support for MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor

2011-01-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Richard wrote: > On Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 10:29:44PM +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >> I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi >> hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M >> Wireless USB 2.0

Support for MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor

2011-01-05 Thread mike cloaked
I was recently testing an f14 install on an old laptop without wifi hardware - so I bought a small usb wifi adapter (MicroNext MN-WD550M Wireless USB 2.0 Adaptor) and this is recognised when plugged in: Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8171 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8188SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter How

Re: Fedora release model (was Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17))

2010-11-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 8:15 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > >>>    Good point ... was thinking it was a way to ensure anaconda keeps >>> pace but you're right ... it should follow the actual changes ... >>&

Re: Fedora release model (was Re: Plan for tomorrow's FESCo meeting (2010-11-17))

2010-11-22 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >>    Good point ... was thinking it was a way to ensure anaconda keeps >> pace but you're right ... it should follow the actual changes ... >> >>    Do you have any suggestions how to manage ensuring that each ISO >> snapshot has a working

Re: Fixing the glibc adobe flash incompatibility

2010-11-17 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Magnus Glantz wrote: > For me it's natural that we should care about the end-user experience of > Fedora, even if that does include us caring about application outside of the > Fedora owned repositories. Just a thought - but for those users who use chrome/chromiu

Re: Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

2010-11-09 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > wayland...when they feel its ready. By introducing it for discussion > before they were ready to engage in that discussion you've actually > made it more difficult for the discussion to move forward as you've > taken away their best shot to me

Re: Default partitioning

2010-10-29 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > A small tweak which might make sense... > > For volumes that are over 100G in size, enact the 50g / + rest for /home > setup.  For anything smaller than 100G in size leave everything in / > > That should avoid having anything less than 50%

Re: Upcoming Fedora 14 Tasks

2010-10-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Julian Sikorski wrote: > W dniu 17.10.2010 23:19, John Poelstra pisze: >> Start       End         Name >> Mon 18-Oct  Mon 18-Oct  Final Change Deadline >> Mon 18-Oct  Mon 18-Oct  Final Blocker Meeting (f14blocker)--Blocks RC >> Compose >> Mon 18-Oct  Mon 18-Oct  S

Re: Quick question on building f14 isos?

2010-10-07 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > There was a change in glibc during the F14 development cycle that > requires running a newer kernel in order to run the f14 binaries. > > You could probably cheat a new kernel onto F11 and then do the pungi > compose in a mock chroot of f14 c

Re: Quick question on building f14 isos?

2010-10-05 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Jesse Keating wrote: > There was a change in glibc during the F14 development cycle that > requires running a newer kernel in order to run the f14 binaries. > > You could probably cheat a new kernel onto F11 and then do the pungi > compose in a mock chroot of f14 c

Quick question on building f14 isos?

2010-10-05 Thread mike cloaked
For the past year or so I have built private builds of current Fedora install isos on an old test machine running f11 using mock/pungi, and this has generally worked well for me. I use this method to get fully up to date isos for installs that need almost no updates applying for the current stable

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-28 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 09/28/2010 12:06 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >>>> >>>> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desk

Re: x86_64 as Fedora's primary platform

2010-09-28 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 09/27/2010 10:03 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: >> >> If anything I would expect the 32bit Desktop Live torrent download >> activity to be lower because of the promotion of the direct download >> link of that particular iso.  The splits in 32bit a

Re: Koji crashes Chromium [was Rawhide Koji borked??]

2010-09-06 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 1:59 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 09/05/2010 09:53 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> Michal >> >> It's chromium not chrome. >> > >  As explained in the chrome bug report mentioned earlier in this thread > - there is a bug in nss-xx version 3.12.6 and earlier - please update to >

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-26 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 8:58 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Fri, 2010-08-27 at 01:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 08/27/2010 12:20 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > That wasn't the question. The question was what is the benefit of not >> > having one. Is it simply that it saves 1.6MB of disk

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Till Maas wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:20:44AM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 wrote: >> >> >> It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's >> >

Re: drop default MTA for Fedora 15

2010-08-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:12 AM, drago01 wrote: >> It also takes up live image space, which is a very scarce resource, it's >> always a fight to keep our live images within the size constraints. > > Which is fixable by admitting that we lost that fight and move to a > modern medium that actually

Re: fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

2010-08-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: >> I don't know a single student using Fedora anymore, > > I'm a student using Fedora. :-p But not at Harvard. ;-) > >> I don't know *what* to blame that on > > I blame it on people slowly destroying what Fedora is all ab

Re: Packages on which Thunderbird functionality depends!

2010-08-24 Thread mike cloaked
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > I'm not a Thunderbird maintainer, so I don't know how feasible this is, > but perhaps we could create a subpackage like > 'thunderbird-sound-support' that has the appropriate dependencies on it. > Then at least someone doing a yum search

Packages on which Thunderbird functionality depends!

2010-08-24 Thread mike cloaked
For the past week or so I have been battling with a problem that I had thought (after some chasing around) was a Thunderbird upstream problem. The issue was that selecting Edit->Preferences-> General and allowing selection of a xxx.wav file to play for incoming mail did not work. It turned out tha

Re: Fedora 14 Milestone Reached: Feature Freeze-2010-07-27

2010-07-29 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 2:17 AM, John Poelstra wrote: > Yesterday, July 27, 2010, we reached Feature Freeze for Fedora 14 > > As previously noted, at Feature Freeze it is expected that all features > are *significantly* "feature complete" and ready for testing: > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fea

Re: How to lure me to updates-testing

2010-06-30 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Nathanael Noblet wrote: >> #1) Easy way to know where a package came from. > man repoquery > >> #2 ) Easy way to downgrade if I were to run into problems > yum downgrade packagename > >> #3) Reminders > bodhi -T > >> #4) Easy way to up

Re: Feature 14 - official Fedora re-spins

2010-06-27 Thread mike cloaked
2010/6/27 Michał Piotrowski : > Hi, > > I wonder if it would be a big problem to create regular (for example, > every three months) re-spins of main installation images - cd's and > dvd's for i386 and x86_64 (not livecd's). > > Fedoraunity http://fedoraunity.org/re-spins creates such images, but >

Re: gnome-applet-netspeed f13?

2010-06-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Julian Sikorski wrote: > W dniu 27.06.2010 20:21, mike cloaked pisze: >> I noticed that there are builds for the above for F11, F12 and now F14 >> at koji built in the past few days but none for f13. Is there a plan >> to do an f13 build? &

gnome-applet-netspeed f13?

2010-06-27 Thread mike cloaked
I noticed that there are builds for the above for F11, F12 and now F14 at koji built in the past few days but none for f13. Is there a plan to do an f13 build? -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-20 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 17:07:02 -0400, >  Digimer wrote: >> >> Perhaps they are, and I will look into them. However, my curiosity has >> been piqued, so I'd still like to know how it's supposed to be done. It >> seems to me like it should

Re: Problem with createrepo for modified DVD ISO

2010-06-19 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 09:15:09 -0400, >  Digimer wrote: >> Hi all, >> >>    I asked this on buildsys, so this is something of a repost. I'm not >> sure where to turn at this point, so if this isn't the right list, would >> anyone be able

Re: Lightspark and Fedora?

2010-06-08 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:25 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> Has anyone been tinkering with Lightspark in Fedora >> (http://www.osnews.com/story/2/Lightspark_Reaches_Beta_Status >> and http://lightspark.sourcefor

Lightspark and Fedora?

2010-06-07 Thread mike cloaked
Has anyone been tinkering with Lightspark in Fedora (http://www.osnews.com/story/2/Lightspark_Reaches_Beta_Status and http://lightspark.sourceforge.net/ ) Seems interesting even if there is a way to go yet before it is really usable! -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject

Re: Sending a sensible email. (was: PackageKit need to be more intelligent!)

2010-05-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 12 May 2010 21:58, João Neto wrote: >> The system package manager for Fedora to be smarter ... > > This is a general point I'm making, not just about your email in particular. > > There appears to be a trend on this list where a random u

Super accurate timing?

2010-05-02 Thread mike cloaked
I saw that there is an interesting ultra precise timing code being developed - to possibly supercede NTP: http://www.cubinlab.ee.unimelb.edu.au/tscclock/ http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1773943 Is this code being developed for Fedora at all? If so would there be any interest from Fedora (or Re

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-27 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Mail Lists wrote: > On 04/27/2010 05:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > >  The OP had an issue w. thunderbird - which many find to be a pretty > decent mail client. > >  This thread has morphed ... > >  As for Firefox, I'd actually prefer to put fedora effort behind >

Re: Thunderbird bz 579023 still not fixed even though there is an upstream fix available

2010-04-26 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 04/26/2010 02:11 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Well, may-be FESCO should decide upon on whether the FSF's >> "freedom 3" [1] is a inclusion/exclusion criterion for packages in Fedora. >> >> Ralf >> >> [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free

Re: 2010-03-25 Printing test day recap

2010-04-01 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Our QA Enforcers will evaluate your email and let you know soon. If you > live, that means it was good enough. ;) OK I'll be looking over my shoulder until the official word that I'm in the clear! -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@l

Re: 2010-03-25 Printing test day recap

2010-04-01 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:24 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> Here's a quick recap of last week's Printing Test >> Day: >> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-25_Printing >> >> Th

Re: 2010-03-25 Printing test day recap

2010-04-01 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > Here's a quick recap of last week's Printing Test > Day: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-25_Printing > > The turnout was somewhat disappointing: we only had results from about a > half dozen testers. If anyone has a partic

Re: URGENT! These review requests needs your attention!

2010-04-01 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote: > Just a reminder that today is 1st April. > indeed - and Google has a lovely one too at http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en/landing/translateforanimals/ -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.or

httpd vulnerability - new build?

2010-03-26 Thread mike cloaked
In view of http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/38580 is there a chance that httpd version 2.2.15 will be built for f13/f12? Thanks -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Sendmail 8.14.4 for f12?

2010-03-26 Thread mike cloaked
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Jaroslav Skarvada wrote: > Yes, I will build for f12, f11 > > regards > > Jaroslav Great - thanks Jaroslav -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Sendmail 8.14.4 for f12?

2010-03-26 Thread mike cloaked
Given http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/37543/info is there going to be a build of sendmail 8.14.4 for f12 (and f11) which does not have that vulnerability? -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Webcam test day - results deleted?

2010-03-11 Thread mike cloaked
On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Mike McGrath wrote: >> Did you look at the history? That might give a clue if it was intentional or >> a mistake. >> > > It seems ok to me - > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-11_webcams > > Is that not the page you're looking at? > Yup - seems i

Webcam test day - results deleted?

2010-03-11 Thread mike cloaked
I was just about to enter some webcam test results but the results that were there earlier seem to have disappeared! Is it just me or has some clutz deleted the entries? -- mike c -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel

Re: Proposed udpates policy change

2010-03-10 Thread mike cloaked
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Gilboa Davara wrote: >> If Fesco is aiming at getting rid of all the pesky packagers maintaining low >> profile packages: You're well on your way. > > I usually stay away from mega-threads, but well put! > > I doubt that even major bug fixes in any of my (small) p