On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 04:03:17PM -0500, John Harris wrote:
> Even taken to an extreme, it would likely be sufficient to link to Fedora's
> sources on any software used to provide MongoDB as a service, assuming their
> service itself is free software.
As I understand it, the requirement is not
John Harris wrote:
> On Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:32:38 PM EST Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> For the last time, please move this to the legal list, a blog, or your
>> own tweet stream. This isn't the list for non-lawyers to discuss how they
>> think law, licenses and contracts 'work' just
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 4:32:38 PM EST Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 16:21, John Harris wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
> > > And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it
> > > isn't free for everyone
On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 16:21, John Harris wrote:
> On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
> > And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it
> > isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can
> > have gray areas where they aren't
On Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:09:08 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
> And that is the most central problem with the license, and why it
> isn't free for everyone all of the time. The idea free licenses can
> have gray areas where they aren't free, pollutes the free license
> ecosystem with confusion.
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 4:42 PM John Harris wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:19:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
> > But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you
> > have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per
> > section 13
* Emmanuel Seyman:
> I'm also going to note that the SSPLv1 has been superseded by the SSPLv2
That's not correct. Version 1 is still current.
Thanks,
Florian
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* John Harris [30/01/2019 21:09] :
>
> I'm offline for the night, but figured I'd head this off at the pass. I am
> not
> an attorney, and this does not constitute legal advice.
On that note, I'm going to recommend that legal discussions take place on the
legal list, not the devel one.
I'm
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:05:42 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
> Where are you licensed to practice law? And is this legal advice that I can
> rely on your professional liability insurance for? Note that this statement
> is the exact opposite of one I've had from a real lawyer whose
> On 31 Jan 2019, at 01:21, John Harris wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:10:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
>> I do if I'm using it to provide a service that could be construed as "making
>> the functionality of the Program … available to third parties as a
>> service", under
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 8:10:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
> I do if I'm using it to provide a service that could be construed as "making
> the functionality of the Program … available to third parties as a
> service", under section 13 of the SSPL. As MongoDB's functionality includes
>
Note that I'm not a lawyer of any type - this is a distillation of
conversations I've had with real lawyers, but you should not take it as legal
advice. Talk to your own legal people if you need something you can rely on.
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 23:41, John Harris wrote:
>
> On Wednesday,
On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 4:19:13 PM EST Simon Farnsworth wrote:
> But the SSPL also prevents you from using Free Software with it, unless you
> have sufficient rights to offer said Free Software under the SSPL, as per
> section 13 of the SSPL.
You don't have to relicense software in order
> On 30 Jan 2019, at 17:06, John Harris wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:28:46 PM EST Neal Gompa wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
>>>
Fedora has determined that the
Fedora does not run RPM Fusion nor have any say of what is in it so any
discussion of doing so would need to be over in their mailing lists etc
versus Fedora.
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 at 12:16, Richard Shaw wrote:
> I'm not sure if my previous email made it through and it's not an ideal
> solution
I'm not sure if my previous email made it through and it's not an ideal
solution but...
What about moving MongoDB and it's dependencies to RPM Fusion?
Thanks,
Richard
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On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 10:28:46 PM EST Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
> >
> > > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
> > > not a Free
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 10:31 PM Neal Gompa wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
> > > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
> > > not a Free Software License.
> >
> >
* John Harris:
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
>> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
>> not a Free Software License.
>
> For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's
> essentially a GPL incompatible AGPL license.
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 16:22 Florian Weimer napsal(a):
> * Honza Horak:
>
>>> Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will
>>> become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this
>>> will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:33 PM John Harris wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
> > Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
> > not a Free Software License.
>
> For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 04:23:48PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> My understanding is that not only we will not able to test those, but there
> will be no point of shipping them at all. What am I missing?
It is very likely that the packages can still be used to access MongoDB
instances that run on
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 4:21:54 PM EST Chris Murphy wrote:
> It's not free for everyone all of the time.
Under what circumstances is it non-free? I agree that it's overreaching
(attempting to claim software that is not part of it as being the same
software), however I don't see
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 1:07 PM John Harris wrote:
> For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL
> incompatible AGPL license.
https://opensource.org/LicenseReview122018
> "JH" == John Harris writes:
JH> For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's
JH> essentially a GPL incompatible AGPL license.
It's been pretty well covered throughout this whole debacle, but here's
the most recent announcement from Fedora Legal:
On Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:29:58 AM EST Ben Cotton wrote:
> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
> not a Free Software License.
For what reason is SSPL considered non-free? As I see, it's essentially a GPL
incompatible AGPL license.
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 9:29 AM Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:32 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
>>
>> == Summary ==
>> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
>> not a Free Software License.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 4:32 AM Ben Cotton wrote:
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
>
> == Summary ==
> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
> not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from
> Fedora.
I only recently
On 29. 01. 19 16:17, Honza Horak wrote:
On 1/29/19 11:57 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
== Summary ==
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public
* Honza Horak:
>> Yes, right. There is rubygem-mongo and rubygem-mongoid and they will
>> become FTBFS without MongoDB. The test suite could be disabled, but this
>> will be unfortunate, because historically it helped to uncover issues on
>> some of our arches.
>
> While I see the value of tests,
On 1/29/19 11:57 AM, Vít Ondruch wrote:
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
== Summary ==
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
not a Free Software
Le 2019-01-29 13:47, Florian Weimer a écrit :
* Nicolas Mailhot:
Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on
Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as
python-pymongo). The change should explain if other
* Nicolas Mailhot:
> Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
>
>> This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on
>> Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as
>> python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are
>> expected to remove the
Dne 29. 01. 19 v 11:39 Miro Hrončok napsal(a):
> On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote:
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
>>
>> == Summary ==
>> Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
>> not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop
Le 2019-01-29 11:39, Miro Hrončok a écrit :
This is not true. This page needs to list all dependent packages on
Mongo and all dependent packages on Mongo connectors (such as
python-pymongo). The change should explain if other packagers are
expected to remove the functionality from their
On 29. 01. 19 11:29, Ben Cotton wrote:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
== Summary ==
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from
Fedora.
While I'm in favor of the removal, I
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
== Summary ==
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from
Fedora.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:panovotn| Patrik Novotný]]
* Email:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MongoDB_Removal
== Summary ==
Fedora has determined that the Server Side Public Licensev1 (SSPL) is
not a Free Software License. Therefore, we need to drop MongoDB from
Fedora.
== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:panovotn| Patrik Novotný]]
* Email:
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