Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-07-04 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
Hello Chris, Thanks for bringing this topic and sorry for the late reply. On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:20 PM Chris Murphy wrote: > > Hi, > > This is not a formal proposal, this is for discussion and identifying > liabilities. This email has an x86 GRUB bias only because that's the > bootloader

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:24 AM Richard Shaw wrote: > > I don't have the technical expertise in this area to comment on the details > of the implementation, but from a dumb user point of view, could there be a > simple or no-payload package that says "Fedora owns the bootloader" that's >

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 1:05 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > > Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 18:49 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit : > > I think that's completely out of scope. It's inappropriate to wait 10 > > months let alone 10 years to resolve this problem. And it's an overly > > complicated

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-29 Thread Richard Shaw
I don't have the technical expertise in this area to comment on the details of the implementation, but from a dumb user point of view, could there be a simple or no-payload package that says "Fedora owns the bootloader" that's installed by default and power users that wish to maintain it

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-29 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 18:49 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit : > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 1:19 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel > wrote: > > Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 12:26 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit : > > > Yep, small problem. And I'm not even sure how a 'grub2-install' > > > on > > > BIOS systems would

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le vendredi 28 juin 2019 à 09:06 -0700, Adam Williamson a écrit : > On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 09:18 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > > That's, easy, > > > > 1. add a generic bootctl install command that knows the different > > variants of bootloader used in Fedora, how to install them, how

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Fri, 2019-06-28 at 09:18 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot via devel wrote: > That's, easy, > > 1. add a generic bootctl install command that knows the different > variants of bootloader used in Fedora, how to install them, how to > identify which variant is appropriate for a system (make grub and other

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-28 Thread Nicolas Mailhot via devel
Le jeudi 27 juin 2019 à 12:26 -0600, Chris Murphy a écrit : > On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:06 AM Bruno Wolff III > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600, > > Chris Murphy wrote: > > > Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the > > > bootloader > > > being up to date, by

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-27 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:06 AM Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600, > Chris Murphy wrote: > > > >Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the bootloader > >being up to date, by updating it during major version upgrades. This > >is already the case on

Re: always update the bootloader during major upgrades

2019-06-27 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 14:19:26 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: Short version: Fedora should take responsibility for the bootloader being up to date, by updating it during major version upgrades. This is already the case on UEFI with conventional installations. I'd like to make sure it always