On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 08:38 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>> > Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>> > > I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
>> > > unnecessary packages
On 09/05/13 08:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
> wrote:
>> You can call "lacking online access" justification stupid if you want,
>> you forgot there are users who still prefer DVD installation rather than
>> spin. You wanted to remove the entire Desi
On 05/06/2013 02:09 AM, Lars Seipel wrote:
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:03:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
However, unless your installer image is signed, checking RPM signatures
in anaconda is pointless (which is why the feature you mentioned is
based on Secure Boot). If someone was going to the
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
wrote:
> You can call "lacking online access" justification stupid if you want,
> you forgot there are users who still prefer DVD installation rather than
> spin. You wanted to remove the entire Design suite package set
> (available since several
On 09/05/13 02:05 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
> wrote:
>> -1. Design Suite package is for those lacking online access and wanting to
>> use available applications.
> I see a lot of stupid justifications for "lacking online access". AN
> ENTIRE SPIN is
On Thu, 2013-05-09 at 08:38 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> - Original Message -
> > Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
> > > I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
> > > unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
> >
> > Here's everythi
The discussion on what to drop from the install DVD and some of the live
images is possible going to heated as people argue the case for packages
they want to keep on the media. Please treat your fellow developers with
respect during this discussion. Please try to provide reasoned arguments
for
- Original Message -
> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
> > I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
> > unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
>
> Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
> java-1.8.0-openj
On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Luya Tshimbalanga
wrote:
> -1. Design Suite package is for those lacking online access and wanting to
> use available applications.
I see a lot of stupid justifications for "lacking online access". AN
ENTIRE SPIN is not enough?
Would you like us to mail you the s
On 03/05/13 11:50 AM, Dan Mashal wrote:
Of course there is. Yet, we remove things like GCC from the default
install. Why?
or a design suite
I don't think this is needed on the DVD. This should be a separate
spin (I think it is already). One can always "yum install gimp" after
having a working d
On 02/05/13 05:46 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:26:13 -0400,
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bill Nottingham writes:
Anyway, here are my suggestions:
valgrind
eclipse
gimp
kdegames
I don't think gimp is that great of a choice to drop. That's a tool
that I think some of the
On 5 May 2013, at 20:31, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Lars Seipel said:
- the checksums for netinstall images are signed with a Fedora key
- the corresponding public key is made available through https
- therefore the integrity of installer images can be verified
That's only verifia
On 05/04/2013 08:03 AM, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install
Once upon a time, Lars Seipel said:
> - the checksums for netinstall images are signed with a Fedora key
> - the corresponding public key is made available through https
> - therefore the integrity of installer images can be verified
That's only verifiable after the fact (when you want to use the
On Sat, May 04, 2013 at 01:03:11AM -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> However, unless your installer image is signed, checking RPM signatures
> in anaconda is pointless (which is why the feature you mentioned is
> based on Secure Boot). If someone was going to the trouble of changing
> the RPM signatures
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 9:59 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>>
>> While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
>> install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
>> mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than m
On 4 May 2013, at 02:03, Chris Adams wrote:
Creating a complete chain of trust is hard.
Sure, creating a complete chain of trust is hard, but the closest
thing we have to it today is downloading an iso and verifying its
checksum -- and trusting that (a) the release team verified the keys
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
> On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
> >Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
> >>Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
> >
> >I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a
> >corrupt package).
>
> Are y
I usually install either from the default desktop Live media or the network
install, depending on what I'm doing. The advantages to the net install are
1. The image fits on damn near anything. I think it's too big for one of
those 220 MB mini-CDs now but a 512 MB USB stick or a regular CD is fine.
On 3 May 2013, at 15:07, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a
corrupt package).
Are you sure that signatures are checked? If so, why this
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 16:22 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
>
> > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
> > netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
> >
> > JBG
>
> I don't know if it is still th
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 08:54 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
> Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install
> DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs
> for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you
> could have a "Desktop D
Once upon a time, Mike Pinkerton said:
> Does anaconda check package signatures for the netinstall?
I believe so. Checksums are definately checked (RPM won't install a
corrupt package).
> Does netinstall even work well?
Certainly. I actually haven't installed Fedora (or RHEL/CentOS) any
other
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide good
> value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you can do with
> Fedora
It did. Until I couldn't install multiple desktops anymore. (18)
>Isn't the
On 05/03/2013 02:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Hm, I've always thought of it differently - if we're trying to provide
good value in the DVD media as a demonstration of all the things you
can do with Fedora, isn't there more value in a development
workstation, or a design suite, or a web applica
Jaroslav Reznik (jrez...@redhat.com) said:
> - Original Message -
> > FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> > things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
> > MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
>
On 05/03/2013 01:14 PM, Mike Pinkerton wrote:
So, in the end, I had to do all the installations with a DVD, then do
updates from our internal Fedora repo.
I've been meaning to file a bug about this, but haven't found the time
yet.
You could try the latest dev release of Fedora 19 and see i
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
> wrote:
> > On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >>
> > Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
> netinstall
> > and or ks and desktop users will us
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 6:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson"
wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>>
> Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the netinstall
> and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
>
> JBG
>
I used to use the DVD at one point as a u
On 3 May 2013, at 09:45, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote:
Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what
should and should not be on it.
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
When you do
On 05/03/2013 12:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know
On 05/03/2013 04:22 PM, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you c
On 05/03/2013 09:45 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
JBG
I don't know if it is still the case, but historically you could NOT
specify a file system different from t
On 05/03/2013 02:34 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
m
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
Surely if you are mass creating vm's you use ks + cobbler and or
spacewalk to do that instead af ISO file.
Both of those require you to deploy extra infrastructure, which isn't
needed if using the ISO. Different approaches suit different people,
an
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said:
> On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500,
> Chris Adams wrote:
> >At this point, why is there a source RPM ISO? Does anybody actually use
> >it to get source RPMs?
>
> I suspect it is mainly for GPL compliance. It has the packages at the
> same state a
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 09:12:09 -0500,
Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said:
I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support
in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by
DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:59:42PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> >While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
> >install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
> >mirroring a single DVD image is much easier
Am 03.05.2013 15:45, schrieb Jóhann B. Guðmundsson:
> Why bother with the DVD et all and enter countless debates what should and
> should not be on it.
>
> Why not just make the assumption that administrators will use the
> netinstall and or ks and desktop users will use live spins?
because it
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said:
> I don't think that's the route we want to take. This was a pain to support
> in the CD era and it won't be that long before we won't feel limited by
> DVD size and produce larger images. (Note the source rpm image is larger
> than a DVD already.)
At th
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 08:54:37 -0500,
Chris Adams wrote:
Long-term (if we want to continue handling lots of packages on install
DVDs), what would be nice would be for anaconda to support multiple DVDs
for install _and_ allow them to be inserted for repo reading (so you
could have a "Desktop
On 05/03/2013 01:54 PM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
While you can do all this with the netinstall ISO + a hosted
install tree, this is not as convenient, because hosting or
mirroring a single DVD image is much easier than mirroring
an entire web install tree.
Surely if you are mass creating vm's
On Fri, May 03, 2013 at 01:45:51PM +, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >- Original Message -
> >>FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> >>things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can kee
Once upon a time, Jaroslav Reznik said:
> But I tend to agree with trend - aim on users with DVDs, developers are
> usually able to bring stuff for theirs development needs (and there are
> much more options to select the right set than desktops). So count me
> +1 to remove it.
Development is suc
- Original Message -
> On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> > - Original Message -
> >> FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> >> things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
> >> MATE and Cinnamon. You can install
On 05/03/2013 01:40 PM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
- Original Message -
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of course
- Original Message -
> On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > 2) The web server environment
> >
> > Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl,
> > python, rails)
>
> +1
>
> If you are running web server, then you probably have internet
> connection.
- Original Message -
> FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
> MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
> of course, just like anything else, but they are th
- Original Message -
> On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>
> > Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
> > Do we distribute DVDs?
>
> Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
No. For Fedora 18, we did not have installation DVD media
produced. One reason was missin
On 05/01/2013 10:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
2) The web server environment
Contains web server and web server runtimes (PHP, JBoss, Mongo, perl,
python, rails)
+1
If you are running web server, then you probably have internet
connection. It is not necessary gigabit ethernet, but on the oth
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 19:14 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 21:50 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
> > > not supplement the install from online repos (
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 21:50 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
> > not supplement the install from online repos (pre-newUI this was always
> > possible). I think this is meant to
On 05/02/2013 07:55 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
There's some newUI wrinkles there; for F18, the DVD media actually could
not supplement the install from online repos (pre-newUI this was always
possible). I think this is meant to be possible again in F19, but I
didn't get around yet to checking if
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 19:26 -0400, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 07:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > We already provide that and have for years. It's the netinst.iso /
> > boot.iso image. It just includes anaconda and pulls everything else
> > from the repos.
>
> Mixed mode might be use
On 05/02/2013 07:08 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
We already provide that and have for years. It's the netinst.iso /
boot.iso image. It just includes anaconda and pulls everything else
from the repos.
Mixed mode might be useful. Groups available in media would be listed
first followed by groups
On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 01:00 +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 17:44 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> > REMOVED PACKAGES
> > NAMESIZE
> > authconfig-gtk106120
>
> I am slightly worried about this removal. Th
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 16:30 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 05/02/2013 03:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
> > things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
> > MATE and Cinnamon. You can install t
On Wed, 2013-05-01 at 17:44 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> REMOVED PACKAGES
> NAMESIZE
> authconfig-gtk106120
I am slightly worried about this removal. This means you won't be able
to configure remote authentication met
On 05/02/2013 03:00 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
FWIW I agree with the general trend of discussion so far: let's find
things to drop that don't really need to be on the DVD so we can keep
MATE and Cinnamon. You can install those from live images or from repos
of course, just like anything else, bu
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:08 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> >
> > This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
> > change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
> > change.
>
> CentOS
On Thu, 2013-05-02 at 10:34 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Is there actual data from what people 'yum install' we could use to
> make decisions? I suspect most people install from the desktop default
> media and then just add the stuff they want. If we know what that
> "stuff they want" is,
On May 2, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> Chained images? We dropped split media support in the installer, so it
> would need to be two different images without installer changes.
Or a feature of first boot to call yum to install user selectable things such
as the bigger apps, fr
Is there actual data from what people 'yum install' we could use to make
decisions? I suspect most people install from the desktop default media and
then just add the stuff they want. If we know what that "stuff they want"
is, that's what should be on the DVD.
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bil
Chris Murphy (li...@colorremedies.com) said:
>
> On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> >
> > This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
> > change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
> > change.
>
> CentOS 6 uses tw
Il 02/05/2013 18:08, Chris Murphy ha scritto:
> On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
>>>
>>> This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this
>>> will change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time
>>> to make that change.
> CentOS 6 uses two DVD im
On 2 May 2013 16:59, "Chris Adams" wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, John5342 said:
> > I think USB sticks will become much more usable when Fedora allows
booting
> > from iso images like some other distributions already do. Currently the
> > standard way involves completely overwriting everything on
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Anyway, here are my suggestions:
...
> kdegames
I'll see if I can help make that happen (replaced by kdegames-minimal)
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On May 2, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>
> This is pretty much what happened with CD images. Eventually this will
> change, but it isn't clear to me that this is the right time to make that
> change.
CentOS 6 uses two DVD images. Apple, before dropping DVD's with new computers,
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> (batching a couple of replies)
>
> That would be up to the Cinnamon maintainer, who is the one that
> is including it.
>
As cinnamon comaintainer and MATE maintainer I'll switch them both to
evolution today.
Dan
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Once upon a time, John5342 said:
> I think USB sticks will become much more usable when Fedora allows booting
> from iso images like some other distributions already do. Currently the
> standard way involves completely overwriting everything on the stick (1
> distribution per stick).
I belive thi
On 2 May 2013 15:15, "John Reiser" wrote:
>
> On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
>
> > Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
> > Do we distribute DVDs?
>
> Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
>
> > If so couldn't we use a newer DVD standard?
>
> That would reduce cove
Bruno Wolff III (br...@wolff.to) said:
> On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:21:09 -0400,
> Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
> >>I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
> >>unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
> >
> >H
Dne 1.5.2013 22:21, Bill Nottingham napsal(a):
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
java-1.8.0-
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Matthias Runge
wrote:
> Would anybody expect to set up a development system without networking
> connection?
Maybe they're frequently on the road or only develop for their local
machine. Is it a rare use case? Probably.
The big issue with this discussion is that
On 05/01/2013 06:37 PM, Pádraig Brady wrote:
> Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
> Do we distribute DVDs?
Yes. Check with Fedora Ambassadors in EMEA.
> If so couldn't we use a newer DVD standard?
That would reduce coverage significantly.
The de facto standard (what "customers" h
On 05/02/2013 01:30 PM, Marcela Mašláňová wrote:
> It depends what should dvd offer. I guess we want there everything cool,
> so new users don't have to install additional packages outside of dvd.
> Otherwise we could offer only minimal installation.
>
> Marcela
Exactly.
Would anybody expect to s
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 20:26:13 -0400,
Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Bill Nottingham writes:
Anyway, here are my suggestions:
valgrind
eclipse
gimp
kdegames
I don't think gimp is that great of a choice to drop. That's a tool that
I think some of the less technical of our users might want to use
On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 02:37:00 +0100,
Pádraig Brady wrote:
Why are we tied to DVD-5, 4.7GB (4.3GiB) at all?
I think the target is actually 4 GiB for file system reasons. It makes
downloading to some older files systems possible.
Do we distribute DVDs?
If so couldn't we use a newer DVD
Hi
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:05 AM, drago01 wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> > On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham
> wrote:
> >> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>
> >
> > Why is wayland being included? Last I checked we are still using X11.
> >
On 05/02/2013 10:05 AM, Matthias Runge wrote:
On 05/01/2013 10:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>>> I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
>>> unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
>>
>> He
On 05/01/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>
> I've dropped
> java-1.8.0-openjdk in the kickstart already, but that won't be enough.
As a maintainer of java-1.8.0-openjdk, I am sad to see it get dropped,
but given the circumstances, this makes sense. It's a preview after all.
> Here's everyt
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:21:09 -0400,
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've
Bill Nottingham writes:
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options include:
1) One/some of the desktops
F19 DVD currently
On 05/01/2013 10:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
>
> Why is wayland being included? Last I checked we are still using X11.
>
> 42596 wayland-devel.x86_64
> 21216 libwayland-client-devel.x86_64
> 14860 libwayland-cursor.x86_64
> 7204libwayland-cursor-devel.x86_64
>
>
>
> Thunderbird
(batching a couple of replies)
Stephen Gallagher (sgall...@redhat.com) said:
> I notice that both mariadb-server and community-mysql-server are on
> the list. Given that FESCo decided some time ago that the "preferred"
> version was going to be MariaDB (but that we were going to permit
> MySQL to
On 05/01/2013 09:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
> That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
> edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
>
> Options include:
>
> 1) One/some
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 01:55:29PM -0700, Robert Relyea wrote:
> > Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
>
> Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
It's not a new package. Rather, it's new for the installation DVD.
Fedora 18 did not include thunderbird on the install DVD:
http://
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 16:48:28 -0400,
Ben Cotton wrote:
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch <-- is this really needed? Why
doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD image
i
On 05/01/2013 10:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>> I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
>> unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
>
> Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
>
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Robert Relyea wrote:
>> Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
>
> Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
>
> bob
>
>
New to the DVD.
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Ben Cotton wrote:
> It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD
Am 01.05.2013 22:48, schrieb Ben Cotton:
> On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
>
>> gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch <-- is this really needed? Why
>> doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
>>
> It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD image
> intends
> Thunderbird is new? Drop it.
Hardly new since I've been using it on Fedora for 8 years now.
bob
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On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Dan Mashal wrote:
> gnome-getting-started-docs.noarch <-- is this really needed? Why
> doesn't Gnome 3 get docs online or something?
>
It's entirely possible that someone who is downloading the DVD image
intends to install on a machine that doesn't have a consisten
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>> I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
>> unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
>
> Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dr
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On 05/01/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
>> I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that
>> lots of unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing
>> media.
>
> Here's everything n
Dan Mashal (dan.mas...@gmail.com) said:
> I think we should look at package dependencies. It seems that lots of
> unnecessary packages are being pulled when composing media.
Here's everything new in the F19 DVD, sorted by size. I've dropped
java-1.8.0-openjdk in the kickstart already, but that wo
On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
> That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
> edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
>
> Options include:
>
> 1) On
Yes I noticed that. One possibility would to so a separate server based
distro like Ubuntu does, and maybe a developer one too ? Just a thought.
On 1 May 2013 21:03, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
> That's almost certainly more t
The F19 DVD is currently *way* over size. (i686: 417MB, x86_64: 311MB).
That's almost certainly more than can be fixed by trimming around the
edges; we need to remove actual functionality that's on the DVD.
Options include:
1) One/some of the desktops
F19 DVD currently includes
- GNOME
- KDE
- X
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