Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-02 Thread Benson Muite
On 12/2/22 14:04, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 02. 12. 22 v 8:00 Benson Muite napsal(a): - rpms/ruby-ncurses Taken Why? It does not deserve to live, at least in its current (abandoned and deprecated) form. Thanks for the warning. Orphaned it. Vít

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-02 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 02. 12. 22 v 8:00 Benson Muite napsal(a): - rpms/ruby-ncurses Taken Why? It does not deserve to live, at least in its current (abandoned and deprecated) form. Vít - rpms/ucx Taken ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-01 Thread Benson Muite
- rpms/ruby-ncurses Taken - rpms/ucx Taken ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-01 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 15:00 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 19:24 +, Artur Frenszek-Iwicki wrote: > > > - rpms/fpc > > > - rpms/lazarus > > I've been a co-admin on those, so I took 'em. > > > > Several of the orphaned packages are dependencies of stuff I > > currently

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-01 Thread arthur
On 28/11/2022 19:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: - rpms/thefuck Took it since I was a co-admin - rpms/vim-latex Took this as well -- Arthur Bols fas/irc: principis ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an

and the orphans packages ? Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-12-01 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Tue, 2022-11-29 at 10:04 -0600, Nick Bebout wrote: > For some reason a few people weren't processed - I ran the script > over them again and most were successful. > For some reason, mmorsi causes the script to traceback (and zodbot > errors trying to .fasinfo them as well).  I processed mmorsi

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-30 Thread Miroslav Suchý
Dne 28. 11. 22 v 19:20 Mattia Verga via devel napsal(a): - rpms/python-copr-common - rpms/python-flask-whooshee Taken. M. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Nick Bebout
For some reason a few people weren't processed - I ran the script over them again and most were successful. For some reason, mmorsi causes the script to traceback (and zodbot errors trying to .fasinfo them as well). I processed mmorsi by hand. If anyone notices any others that got missed, please

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Anderson Sasaki
Hello, I'll take: - rpms/keylime Thank you, Anderson ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 29/11/22 11:16, Vít Ondruch ha scritto: > > > Dne 29. 11. 22 v 11:05 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): >> >> >> Dne 29. 11. 22 v 11:02 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): >>> >>> >>> Dne 29. 11. 22 v 10:46 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): I don't think that this went completely correct. I have just claimed

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 28/11/2022 19:20, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: - rpms/jdns - rpms/tesseract - rpms/zimlib - rpms/pidgin-privacy-please - rpms/yaml-cpp Took these packages. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org) ___ devel mailing list --

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Howarth
On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 10:27:56 + Paul Howarth wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:20:20 + > Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > > > Il 28/11/22 18:36, Nick Bebout ha scritto: > > > > > I've removed a lot of ACLs. See attached log file. > > > > Thanks Nick. > > > > From your output I

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Paul Howarth
On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 18:20:20 + Mattia Verga via devel wrote: > Il 28/11/22 18:36, Nick Bebout ha scritto: > > > I've removed a lot of ACLs. See attached log file. > > Thanks Nick. > > From your output I made a list of the orphaned packages which I think > it's a bit more readable: >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29. 11. 22 v 11:05 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 29. 11. 22 v 11:02 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 29. 11. 22 v 10:46 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): I don't think that this went completely correct. I have just claimed ownership of rubygem-em-socksify (so far so good). However, I noticed, that

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29. 11. 22 v 11:02 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): Dne 29. 11. 22 v 10:46 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): I don't think that this went completely correct. I have just claimed ownership of rubygem-em-socksify (so far so good). However, I noticed, that mmorsi, while removed from packager group (at least

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29. 11. 22 v 0:00 Adam Williamson napsal(a): On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 19:24 +, Artur Frenszek-Iwicki wrote: - rpms/fpc - rpms/lazarus I've been a co-admin on those, so I took 'em. Several of the orphaned packages are dependencies of stuff I currently maintain. I'll wait a week or two to

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 29. 11. 22 v 10:46 Vít Ondruch napsal(a): I don't think that this went completely correct. I have just claimed ownership of rubygem-em-socksify (so far so good). However, I noticed, that mmorsi, while removed from packager group (at least being on the list) Just checked that he is

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 28. 11. 22 v 19:20 Mattia Verga via devel napsal(a): Il 28/11/22 18:36, Nick Bebout ha scritto: I've removed a lot of ACLs.  See attached log file. Thanks Nick. From your output I made a list of the orphaned packages which I think it's a bit more readable: - rpms/rubygem-chronic -

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-29 Thread Vít Ondruch
I don't think that this went completely correct. I have just claimed ownership of rubygem-em-socksify (so far so good). However, I noticed, that mmorsi, while removed from packager group (at least being on the list) is still comaintainer of the package. I would assume that these people should

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:01 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > qemu -> ceph -> openssh -> libfido2 -> libcbor (unmaintained) I'll pick up libcbor, as I am the packager for libfido2. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2022-11-28 at 19:24 +, Artur Frenszek-Iwicki wrote: > > - rpms/fpc > > - rpms/lazarus > I've been a co-admin on those, so I took 'em. > > Several of the orphaned packages are dependencies of stuff I > currently maintain. > I'll wait a week or two to see if anyone else wants to take

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Mark Reynolds
On 11/28/22 1:20 PM, Mattia Verga via devel wrote: Il 28/11/22 18:36, Nick Bebout ha scritto: I've removed a lot of ACLs.  See attached log file. Thanks Nick. From your output I made a list of the orphaned packages which I think it's a bit more readable: - container/cassandra -

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Kalev Lember
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 8:33 PM Kalev Lember wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 7:20 PM Mattia Verga via devel < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> - rpms/sysprof >> > > I took sysprof as I've been de facto maintaining it for years. > ... and also baobab, geocode-glib,

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Kalev Lember
On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 7:20 PM Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > - rpms/sysprof > I took sysprof as I've been de facto maintaining it for years. -- Kalev ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Artur Frenszek-Iwicki
> - rpms/fpc > - rpms/lazarus I've been a co-admin on those, so I took 'em. Several of the orphaned packages are dependencies of stuff I currently maintain. I'll wait a week or two to see if anyone else wants to take them. A.FI. ___ devel mailing list

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Jonathan Wright via devel
I took a few packages. I'm trying to also take bonnie++ but the take request is returning a 500 error. On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 12:35 PM Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Il 28/11/22 19:20, Mattia Verga ha scritto: > > From your output I made a list of the orphaned

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 28/11/22 19:20, Mattia Verga ha scritto: > From your output I made a list of the orphaned packages which I think > it's a bit more readable: > > ... > - rpms/celestia > Taken and added astro-sig as co-maintainer, I'll try to update it to the latest version. > > ... > -

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 28/11/22 18:36, Nick Bebout ha scritto: > I've removed a lot of ACLs. See attached log file. Thanks Nick. From your output I made a list of the orphaned packages which I think it's a bit more readable: - container/cassandra - container/php - modules/389-ds - modules/timescaledb -

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-28 Thread Nick Bebout
I have removed these accounts from the packager group, and am currently running a script to remove their ACLs. I will post on devel list when it is complete (along with the packages that are orphaned) On Sat, Nov 26, 2022 at 2:05 AM Mattia Verga via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-26 Thread Mattia Verga via devel
Il 24/11/22 09:38, Vít Ondruch ha scritto: > @Ben isn't it the time to finish this round? > > > Vít > > It's being worked on in https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/11002 Mattia ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-11-24 Thread Vít Ondruch
@Ben isn't it the time to finish this round? Vít Dne 18. 08. 22 v 23:28 Ben Cotton napsal(a): Hello everyone! I just completed the first run of FESCo's newly approved Inactive Packager Policy[1]. Packagers that have been identified as inactive have a ticket in the find-inactive-packagers

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-10-28 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
Hi, On to, 15 syys 2022, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > CentOS folks still use certs for their koji: > https://wiki.centos.org/Authentication#TLS_certificate > (and thats using the same account system/ipa servers as fedora). > > > I hope we can plan to work together on this improvement again, similar > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-19 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 05:58:36PM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 16. 09. 22 v 19:03 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also > > > require signed commits I guess. > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-19 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 16. 09. 22 v 19:03 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a): On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also require signed commits I guess. I think it would slow things down quite a lot to require peer review of every

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-19 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/19/22 04:52, Petr Pisar wrote: > V Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Todd Zullinger napsal(a): >> Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also require signed commits

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-19 Thread Petr Pisar
V Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 01:56:03PM -0400, Todd Zullinger napsal(a): > Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > >> Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also > >> require signed commits I guess. > > > > I think it would

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-19 Thread Petr Pisar
V Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 05:30:13PM +, Tommy Nguyen napsal(a): > With that being said, if a GPG key would be compromised, wouldn't it > result in an error when trying to update the package? An end user would > then report the bug, someone would see that the key does not match the > signature in

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Todd Zullinger
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also >> require signed commits I guess. > > I think it would slow things down quite a lot to require peer review of > every commit. > > I'd

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Tommy Nguyen
On Fri, 2022-09-16 at 17:16 +, Dan Čermák wrote: > Hi, > > On September 16, 2022 5:03:03 PM UTC, Kevin Fenzi > wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > > Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We > > > could also > > > require signed

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Dan Čermák
Hi, On September 16, 2022 5:03:03 PM UTC, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also >> require signed commits I guess. > >I think it would slow things down quite a lot to require

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:03:35AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also > require signed commits I guess. I think it would slow things down quite a lot to require peer review of every commit. I'd personally like to avoid anything

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 10:29:17AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > One thing I want to get properly implemented in SSSD in upcoming FIDO2 > support is to allow admins to filter out certain types of public SSH > keys associated with the user account. E.g. get a way for administrator > to say

Aside: Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread stan via devel
On Thu, 15 Sep 2022 11:57:53 -0700 Adam Williamson wrote: > We have "critical path" groups for lots of desktops, including ones > that aren't release-blocking: deepin, lxde, lxqt, and xfce. The logic > here is approximately: things that are critical to those desktops are > indeed critical to

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Jiri Vanek
Just very minor contribution to alrready very complex trhead. - to remove packager status if they are not using it, is just wrong. OpenJDK was using it far years and it really did not proved itself. Now OpenJDK have policy, that once you earn any status, you remain with it. The downgrade or no

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Vít Ondruch
Isn't peer review much better and easier solution over all? We could also require signed commits I guess. Vít Dne 15. 09. 22 v 20:36 Gary Buhrmaster napsal(a): On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 5:55 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: Proven

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-16 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On to, 15 syys 2022, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers responsible for security-related bits of the distribution. Compilers? Well, as others noted in this thread, any

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 04:34:08PM -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > On 9/15/22 13:55, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > >> > >> Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > >> responsible for security-related

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 11:54:13AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 10:55 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > > > > Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > > > responsible for

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/15/22 13:55, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: >> >> Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers >> responsible for security-related bits of the distribution. Compilers? > > Well, as others noted in this thread,

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 6:58 PM Adam Williamson wrote: > There's a kind of "surprising" property of the critical path list too - > it contains some things you might not expect. I was (initially) thinking of the critical-path-base list, but you are right that the critical path is in the eyes of

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 18:36 +, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 5:55 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > > > > Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > > > responsible for

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Adam Williamson
On Thu, 2022-09-15 at 10:55 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > > Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > > responsible for security-related bits of the distribution. Compilers? > > Well, as others

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 5:55 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > > > Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > > responsible for security-related bits of the distribution. Compilers? Perhaps any packager

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Przemek Klosowski via devel
On 9/14/22 03:51, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 13/09/2022 23:50, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Another option is a TPM-based authenticator.  Would this be acceptable? No. TPM 2.0 chip is a *proprietary* black box. Some of them have known critical security vulnerabilities[1]. OK, but so

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, Sep 15, 2022 at 09:26:36AM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > Proven packagers seem to be a fair category to address. Also packagers > responsible for security-related bits of the distribution. Compilers? Well, as others noted in this thread, any packager has a lot of power. They can

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/15/22 08:57, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 18:36, Simo Sorce wrote: > >> On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: >>> On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen wrote:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 18:36, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen > > > wrote: > > > > I'm not entirely convinced. See

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-15 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ke, 14 syys 2022, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 05:47:46PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: On ke, 14 syys 2022, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 05:28, Alexander Bokovoy > wrote: > > > > > Sadly, it cannot be just 'any' certificate, it has to be issued by a > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Tommy Nguyen
On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:49 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > The hardcore way is to say "welp, too bad, your account's gone, > create > a new one and start over, including going through the maintainer > process again", but that might be a bit *too* hardcore. > > This is a perennial issue, though,

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 18:35 -0400, Simo Sorce wrote: > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen > > > wrote: > > > > I'm not entirely convinced.

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Simo Sorce
On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 15:11 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen > > wrote: > > > I'm not entirely convinced. See this paper: > > > https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1298.pdf > > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen > wrote: > > I'm not entirely convinced. See this paper: > > https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1298.pdf > > I only read the abstract of this paper, but looks like the researchers

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 05:47:46PM +0300, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > On ke, 14 syys 2022, Stephen Smoogen wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 05:28, Alexander Bokovoy > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sadly, it cannot be just 'any' certificate, it has to be issued by a > > > certificate authority that

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 14/09/2022 17:26, Michael Catanzaro wrote: If you want to protect against *both* threats, use a security key, but you've already pushed back against requiring a hardware purchase. I never click on links from emails, instant messengers, etc. I'm using fkinit and my simple custom systemd

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro
TLS client certificates is actually not a terrible idea. They're not very popular anymore, but they're supported by all major browsers (I think?) and they work. On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 02:08:32 PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 14/09/2022 10:01, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Still,

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Wed, Sep 14 2022 at 06:58:12 AM +, Tommy Nguyen wrote: I'm not entirely convinced. See this paper: https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1298.pdf I only read the abstract of this paper, but looks like the researchers have found that FIDO is indeed unphishable. Seems their attack relies on

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ke, 14 syys 2022, Stephen Smoogen wrote: On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 05:28, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: Sadly, it cannot be just 'any' certificate, it has to be issued by a certificate authority that is trusted by the KDC as well. For example, by FreeIPA CA which is already ran by the Fedora

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Wed, 14 Sept 2022 at 05:28, Alexander Bokovoy wrote: > > Sadly, it cannot be just 'any' certificate, it has to be issued by a > certificate authority that is trusted by the KDC as well. For example, > by FreeIPA CA which is already ran by the Fedora project infrastructure > team. An

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 14/09/2022 10:01, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Still, even a pure software FIDO2 implementation is much better than TOTP etc. I don't think so. Malware can easily steal the private key. Simple TOTP on a separate device is much better. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ke, 14 syys 2022, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: On 9/14/22 03:55, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: On 14/09/2022 08:46, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: The only other non-phishable authentication method is TLS client certificates and I would be fine with those. Fedora used to have TLS client

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/13/22 21:37, Tommy Nguyen wrote: > On Tue, 2022-09-06 at 16:14 -0500, Jonathan Wright via devel wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:52 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >>> On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Of course, hardware

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/14/22 03:55, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 14/09/2022 08:46, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: >> The only other >> non-phishable authentication method is TLS client certificates and >> I would be fine with those. > > Fedora used to have TLS client certificate authorization (in Koji), but >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 14/09/2022 08:46, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: The only other non-phishable authentication method is TLS client certificates and I would be fine with those. Fedora used to have TLS client certificate authorization (in Koji), but this has been replaced by Kerberos. since almost every laptop

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 13/09/2022 23:50, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: Another option is a TPM-based authenticator. Would this be acceptable? No. TPM 2.0 chip is a *proprietary* black box. Some of them have known critical security vulnerabilities[1]. [1]:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Tommy Nguyen
On Wed, 2022-09-14 at 02:46 -0400, Demi Marie Obenour wrote: > Because FIDO2 is not phishable.  TOTP and HOTP are.  The only other > non-phishable authentication method is TLS client certificates and > I would be fine with those. I'm not entirely convinced. See this paper:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-14 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/13/22 21:37, Tommy Nguyen wrote: > On Tue, 2022-09-06 at 16:14 -0500, Jonathan Wright via devel wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:52 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < >> devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: >> >>> On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Of course, hardware

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-13 Thread Tommy Nguyen
On Tue, 2022-09-06 at 16:14 -0500, Jonathan Wright via devel wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:52 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Of course, hardware authenticators would be even more secure, and > > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-13 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/6/22 17:29, Alex Perez wrote: > Jonathan, > > Your perspective on costs seems extremely developed-country-centric, and > I'd like to suggest you check your (financial) privilege. I don't know > where you're from; I'm from the US, but I am well aware of the reality > of many open source

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-13 Thread Blaise Pabon
>From the audience: In the past, Yubico has been generous in giving keys to packagers. If they cannot give keys to all, then maybe we can get a few for those who need them. Some of us already have keys. The barrier to becoming a packager is already high (that is good) But we should decrease

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-13 Thread Demi Marie Obenour
On 9/5/22 16:54, Maxwell G via devel wrote: > On Monday, September 5, 2022 Peter Robinson wrote: >> it would probably be easier to join and become a packager by >> packaging a random leaf package no one would use, then as a packager >> pick up an random orphaned package that's in the core distro

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Gary Buhrmaster
On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 12:27 PM Petr Pisar wrote: > Do people lose their tokens more often than forget their passwords? Depends on the person, of course. However, it is less common that one loses a token and does not somewhat quickly notice it (especially if it is on their mobile device, or

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Michael Catanzaro
On Tue, Sep 6 2022 at 10:53:03 PM -0500, Maxwell G wrote: I have 2FA set up on my account and it works okay. You'd use `fkinit` instead of `kinit` that requires special setup[1] to work with 2FA. It doesn't work with the GOA kerberos integration. When authenticating with Fedora online

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Petr Pisar
V Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 08:53:15AM -0400, Stephen Smoogen napsal(a): > On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 08:27, Petr Pisar wrote: > > Shouldn't we instead start with strengthening the credentials reset even > > for password-only authentication? I.e. disallowing the reset. Or enabling > > having multiple

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Vít Ondruch
Dne 07. 09. 22 v 5:53 Maxwell G via devel napsal(a): On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 Michael Catanzaro wrote: Currently I do not have any 2FA enabled on my Fedora account I have 2FA set up on my account and it works okay. You'd use `fkinit` instead of `kinit` that requires special setup[1] to

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 08:27, Petr Pisar wrote: > V Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 07:51:15AM -0400, Stephen Smoogen napsal(a): > > On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 02:53, Adam Williamson < > adamw...@fedoraproject.org> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 08:41 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Tommy Nguyen
On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 14:26 +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > So I am going to say I am in agreement with Vitaly that FIDO2 is > > not a > > solution we could support at this time. At most we could support > > HOTP via > > yubikey but we would need to be able to make sure > > 1. That we have some sort

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Petr Pisar
V Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 07:51:15AM -0400, Stephen Smoogen napsal(a): > On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 02:53, Adam Williamson > wrote: > > > On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 08:41 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > > On 06/09/2022 23:14, Jonathan Wright wrote: > > > > Fedora must be looked at as more than

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Stephen Smoogen
On Wed, 7 Sept 2022 at 02:53, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 08:41 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 06/09/2022 23:14, Jonathan Wright wrote: > > > Fedora must be looked at as more than just a "hobby project" even > though > > > it is a hobby for some. > > > > There

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2022-09-07 at 08:41 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 06/09/2022 23:14, Jonathan Wright wrote: > > Fedora must be looked at as more than just a "hobby project" even though > > it is a hobby for some. > > There are many casual maintainers who maintain one or two packages. We >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 06/09/2022 23:14, Jonathan Wright wrote: Fedora must be looked at as more than just a "hobby project" even though it is a hobby for some. There are many casual maintainers who maintain one or two packages. We shouldn't force them to leave Fedora. It's an OS that many rely on and $25 is

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-07 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 07/09/2022 05:54, Maxwell G via devel wrote: As has already been said, that's not true. Google Authenticator is far from the only software that supports the TOTP standard. This is not about simple TOTP, but about FIDO2. -- Sincerely, Vitaly Zaitsev (vit...@easycoding.org)

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Tomasz Torcz
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 04:14:52PM -0500, Jonathan Wright via devel wrote: > On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:52 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < > devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > > On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > > Of course, hardware authenticators would be even more secure,

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Maxwell G via devel
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > mobile device > > Requires proprietary Google services. As has already been said, that's not true. Google Authenticator is far from the only software that supports the TOTP standard. -- Maxwell G (@gotmax23) Pronouns:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Maxwell G via devel
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 Michael Catanzaro wrote: > Currently I do not have any 2FA enabled > on my Fedora account I have 2FA set up on my account and it works okay. You'd use `fkinit` instead of `kinit` that requires special setup[1] to work with 2FA. It doesn't work with the GOA kerberos

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Maxwell G via devel
On Tuesday, September 6, 2022 Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > If > you want to enforce such a policy, find sponsors and buy devices for all > Fedora contributors. I kind of agree with this. See what PyPi is doing[1]. I don't think anyone who maintains one package should get one, but perhaps

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Alex Perez
Jonathan, Your perspective on costs seems extremely developed-country-centric, and I'd like to suggest you check your (financial) privilege. I don't know where you're from; I'm from the US, but I am well aware of the reality of many open source contributors from countries where the exchange rate

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Jonathan Wright via devel
On Tue, Sep 6, 2022 at 3:52 PM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > Of course, hardware authenticators would be even more secure, and it > > sure seems pretty reasonable to expect that people with commit access to > >

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 06/09/2022 19:49, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Of course, hardware authenticators would be even more secure, and it sure seems pretty reasonable to expect that people with commit access to Fedora packages are able to purchase a $25 or 30€ security key [1][2]. Having to pay even $25 for a hobby

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 07:37:19PM +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 06/09/2022 18:36, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > For an OTP generating app? I don't see why it would... > > No, for FIDO2 authentication. https://github.com/ellerh/softfido But not sure how usable it is. ;) Also:

Re: Inactive packagers to be removed after the F37 release

2022-09-06 Thread Alexander Bokovoy
On ti, 06 syys 2022, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2022-09-06 at 16:47 +, Tommy Nguyen wrote: On Tue, 2022-09-06 at 18:18 +0200, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 06/09/2022 17:00, Gary Buhrmaster wrote: > > mobile device > > Requires proprietary Google services. > > > computer > >

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