Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 2014-11-24, 11:02 GMT, Reindl Harald wrote: > and *that* is the real problem of the whole thread: 90% are based on > assumptions and opinions instead of verified facts which is very strange > when talking about open source Or without checking tons of information provided on the Mozilla websi

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 24.11.2014 um 11:41 schrieb Nikos Roussos: On 11/23/2014 06:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: I'm afraid it's not reasonable to assume that just because Mozilla is providing the hooks to publish web ads that those web ads do not, themselves, collect and use personal user data, especially the c

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/23/2014 06:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Nikos Roussos > wrote: >> On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos >>> wrote: On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 a

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/23/2014 05:50 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: The tiles are coming from Mozilla. So yes please explain how the advertisers can track me through them if I don't click them. Much depends on what's in the tile. For example an embedded 1 pixel transparent gif, commonly known as a "web bug", and

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/23/2014 06:56 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 02:59 -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > >> Personally I prefer data over knee jerk reactions because honestly this is >> what I see going on. I don't see a demand from users that want a different >> default I see developers who

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

If you want it in some cases (ie chrome i do ) learn to use it and accept that Fedora is FOSS minded so support for your endeavours may vary as will functionality and use/lack of funding projects for said FOSS projects deal or find another "tool" Corey W Sheldon Freelance IT Consultant, Multi-

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, 2014-11-23 at 02:59 -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > Personally I prefer data over knee jerk reactions because honestly this is > what I see going on. I don't see a demand from users that want a different > default I see developers who want to choose a different default based on > their ow

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Well I'll go on the record as niether a firefox user OR gnome (chrome/ium & xfce), and to be honest, what tv station or other sporting event for that matter doesn't do the same ? So its okay there ? because I pay for a ticket to watch a show/game, besides defaults are there for functionality OOB N

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Nov 22, 2014 11:48 PM, "Kevin Kofler" wrote: > > Benjamin Kerensa <…@mozillausa.org> wrote: > [snip] > > Well, we can stop reading right at "mozillausa.org"… Of course the rest of > the mail is a totally biased plug. > Biased why because I work on Firefox? I work on a lot of Open Source project

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Benjamin Kerensa <…@mozillausa.org> wrote: [snip] Well, we can stop reading right at "mozillausa.org"… Of course the rest of the mail is a totally biased plug. One thing though just forces me to reply: > but the fact is Fedora users come to expect Firefox to be the default much > like they expe

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 4:17 AM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos >> wrote: >>> On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad mailto:mustafaa.alhamda..

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 2014-11-20, 16:17 GMT, Petr Viktorin wrote: > Every piece of Fedora is like that, and yet I don't see any > other software doing useless-for-me opt-out tracking. > (Also, who am I paying? All authors of Firefox, or only the Mozilla > employees?) How many multizillion LoC end-user applications

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 7:44 AM, Martin Stransky wrote: > That's still much better than Chrome where the price (user tracking) is > hidden and you can't disable it. Well, Chrome isn't an option for Fedora due to proprietary portions... however, there is the Chromium project and there is an effo

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 2014-11-20, 14:28 GMT, Petr Viktorin wrote: > Ads are a feature that only benefits the upstream and the companies that > pay for the ads. From my (user's) perspective, there is no reason to > have them on my system. There is no benefit to me from this feature. Sorry, I have to ask here the o

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/20/2014 04:44 PM, Martin Stransky wrote: On 11/20/2014 03:28 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: It's not about tracking per se – I'm fine with e.g. opt-in usage reports that feed into research for making a better browser – that benefits me (in a very indirect and miniscule way, but in the end the pu

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> Being bombarded with questions when you just want to get to using > something isn't the best user experience, and I think in general > something we've been trying to reduce. This doesn't need to be must-choice. A checkbox won't hurt, but I am not UX expert. Having that said, this is not a valid

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/20/2014 03:28 PM, Petr Viktorin wrote: It's not about tracking per se – I'm fine with e.g. opt-in usage reports that feed into research for making a better browser – that benefits me (in a very indirect and miniscule way, but in the end the purpose is for the *user's* benefit). Ads are a fe

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/20/2014 04:02 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:28:11PM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: tl;dr: I think the line we should not cross is: including features that don't benefit the user and may be considered harmful. I don't think this is a very clear line. Should we drop all

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:28:11PM +0100, Petr Viktorin wrote: > tl;dr: I think the line we should not cross is: including features > that don't benefit the user and may be considered harmful. I don't think this is a very clear line. Should we drop all spreadsheet applications? http://www.velocit

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: Hello Free Software Friends, I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about making a switch to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would not get hung up on these tiles (Ads) too much and remember they are necessary in or

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

If there is an opt-out in the browser for receiving the advertising, Mozilla should educate users on that choice while making a case for why it needs the revenue from showing the ads. "Accepting" the ads could be a good way for users to support Mozilla while not making an actual financial contribu

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:19:21PM +0100, Lukas Zapletal wrote: > Can't we let the user to decide during the firstboot or Firefox first > startup? Being bombarded with questions when you just want to get to using something isn't the best user experience, and I think in general something we've been

Separate issues raised by Firefox ads [was Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora]

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:11:04AM -0800, Benjamin Kerensa wrote: > I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about > making a switch to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would > not get hung up on these tiles (Ads) too much and remember they are > necessary in order for

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship > applications to carry ads and report tracking data? Can't we let the user to decide during the firstboot or Firefox first startup? Since browsers already do the opt-out, we could do the same. This global OS setting would then ap

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/19/2014 12:34 AM, Lars Seipel wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >>> No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think >>> they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. >> >> That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites throug

Re: Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Hello Free Software Friends, I want to encourage the Fedora Community to think carefully about making a switch to another browser as the default in Fedora. I would not get hung up on these tiles (Ads) too much and remember they are necessary in order for Mozilla to continue building Firefox,

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

I'm killfiling this thread and I'm inches away from leaving the mailing list. Can we move on? On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, > Michael Catanzaro wrote: > >> >> Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22:54 -0600, Michael Catanzaro wrote: Is there a bug report about this? Could you point me to it if so? i686 is absolutely a supported architecture, it's just not one that's regularly tested. This is the one for webkit: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 11:15:33AM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think > > they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. > > That's irrelevant. Paid or not, promoting websites through tiles or > gnome-shell is the same form of adv

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 22:22 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > That's a webkitgtk issue, look at how we handle this in QtWebKit. > > (You have to build the library twice, as /usr/lib/libwebkitgtk* with > the > WebKit JIT disabled and as /usr/lib/sse2/libwebkitgtk* with the JIT > enabled. > The WebKit

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide > for in our default browser that other browser we have packages for > don't meet? I find Midori reasonable on x86_64. There is currently an > i686 problem because a library it uses is compiled with an in

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 09:44:04 -0800, "Gerald B. Cox" wrote: I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... Why do you claim that? What requirements do you think we must provide for in our default browser that other browser w

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:40:02 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Mozilla is a third party. There is no reason that they should be contacted by default. calling upstream "3rd party" is somehow strange most code in fedora is from 3rd party I am f

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/18/2014 07:21 PM, drago01 wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos > wrote: >> On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter >> wrote: >>> On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >>> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a polic

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > *but* please avoid FUD and paranoia and claim upstream unstrustable until > you can prove that instead of assume it Exactly! Thank you! -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 18 Nov 2014 08:00:35 -0600 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, > Martin Stransky wrote: > > > >Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to > >start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh > >profile and can point peopl

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: > Based on the aforementioned, I think it's infinitely easier to fix Firefox > than push for Chromium. I am aware of bugs you mentioned. The fact remains that Chromium is the only viable alternative to Firefox... so if we're interested in pro

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 17:14 +, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter > wrote: > >How about an opt-in requirement? > > Yes, that would make more sense. > But I didn't opt-in to see commercial websites on gnome-shell either (and I > can't even opt-out).

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 18.11.2014 um 18:29 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on the installation, not something f

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 18:16:12 +0100, drago01 wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome page initially displayed should be from a copy on the installation, not something fetched from a remote server. That's getting into

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Hi, On 11/18/2014 05:46 PM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: I believe M$ made "good experience" with ballot screen, may be we should implement something similar in open source spirit ;) If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much be

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter > wrote: >>On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> >>> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy >>> decision (from Fedora's point of view). Mon

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, > Martin Stransky wrote: >> >> >> Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to >> start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and >> can point people to

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On November 18, 2014 7:08:47 PM EET, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: >On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > >> This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy >> decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a >> consistent policy on advertisements for

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > This is a moral judgment, so it's irrelevant for making a policy > decision (from Fedora's point of view). Money or not, we need a > consistent policy on advertisements for all upstream. How about an opt-in requirement? -- Ben signatur

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Tomas Radej wrote: > I believe M$ made "good experience" with ballot screen, may be we should >> implement something similar in open source spirit ;) >> > > If we do not want Firefox as default, this seems to be much better option > than just replacing it with a s

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Hi, On 11/16/2014 05:36 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): Lars Seipel wrote: What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship applications to carry ads and report tracking data? No! IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora enti

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/17/2014 02:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Ralf Corsepius wrote: Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that upstream does not wa

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 14:58:41 +0100, Martin Stransky wrote: Another way how to promote Fedora is to set "welcome" page to start.fedoraproject.org. It appears when Firefox starts on fresh profile and can point people to the Fedora project. We shouldn't be doing that either. Any welcome p

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Hi, It looks like the recent Firefox "Adds" does not break any Fedora rules so it's perfectly ok to ship it "as is". The H264 codec download feature break the Fedora law and has been removed from Fedora. When Fedora rules the Adds out of the apps it will be removed from FF immediately. Until

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 15:12 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be > bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promote

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/18/2014 02:55 PM, Benjamin Kreuter wrote: > On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but we already do that. >>> >>> No, actual

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Tue, 2014-11-18 at 11:15 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > >> I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be > >> bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but > >> we already do that. > > > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we hones

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/18/2014 08:24 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos > wrote: >> On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad >>> mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: > >>> This doesn't seem relevant to

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

>> I'm talking about the "advertisement" part. Some people seem to be >> bothered by this alone. Tiles feature indeed promotes some websites, but >> we already do that. > > No, actually we don't. We promote websites because we honestly think > they're useful, not because we're paid to do so. That

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35PM +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > True, as you also have to explicitly click a tile to send data to > Mozilla. Well, I don't think the act of hiding/closing an ad (by clicking on the 'x' attached to it) can be reasonably interpreted as informed consent. Yet, it is ex

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad >> mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers >> are automatically

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/17/2014 09:23 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: >> So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the >> "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. > > I started seeing the advertisement tiles o

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > forget it Yup, that really perfectly sums it up. The introduction of ads by Mozilla breaks no Fedora policy, period, end of story. Notwithstanding the fact that they are unobtrusive and ridiculously simple to disable. The only viable re

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 17.11.2014 um 22:25 schrieb DJ Delorie: Not every user understands the connection between "website does not work" -> "firewall configuration" True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand forget it really, after working more than a decade with every sort of users

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> Not every user understands the connection between "website does not > work" -> "firewall configuration" True, which means that we have to use words that they *do* understand. For extra coolness, a per-user firewall and some way of popping up a query dialog when they violate a firewall rule. "

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 17.11.2014 um 22:16 schrieb drago01: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't work. (just one random example but you get the idea). I imagin

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:57 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user >> goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't >> work. (just one random example but you get the idea). > > I imagine the user would change the start

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 17 November 2014 13:57, DJ Delorie wrote: > > > Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user > > goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't > > work. (just one random example but you get the idea). > > I imagine the user would change the start p

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> Ugh .. sorry but that's the worst suggestion so far. No image the user > goes to http://addons.mozilla.org/ to install addons ... it won't > work. (just one random example but you get the idea). I imagine the user would change the start page to about:blank, then open the firewall, then everythi

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:32 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > >> That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send >> anything before you confirm it. > > Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be > given a list of sites that their PC may "call home" to - inclu

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send > anything before you confirm it. Perhaps as part of the firewall installation step, the user could be given a list of sites that their PC may "call home" to - including official repos - and let them opt-in or opt-out accord

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Florian Weimer wrote: > And I'm sorry to say that I think the UI is still confusing and may not > achieve the goal of obtaining informed consent. For example, do users realize that using the retrace server means sending the backtrace to the server, so they have effectively uploaded it even if th

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Nikos Roussos wrote: > And a user may accidentally start searching on the Google search box > before she realizes that she sends data to Google "as she types" (that's > how you get recommendations). That's also a questionable "feature". Such a text box should not send anything before you confirm

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

People keep bringing up policy violations, but when asked you either get "crickets" or the subject slightly changed. The only policy that I could find that might apply would be Fedora Forbidden Items and if you read it, you'll find

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:08:36PM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > >>"New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. > >So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a > >Fedora polic

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/17/2014 09:35 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: I don't really understand the issue at all. We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. I don't think we do. It's should be to be part of

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/17/2014 04:14 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this beha

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 06:31:39AM +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >I don't really understand the issue at all. > We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. *Is* there a formal, written policy somewhere? (And, while related to the advertising issue, this seems separate in many ways.)

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. I started seeing the advertisement tiles on my existing profile. -- devel mailing list devel@li

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 02:25:48PM +0100, Lars Seipel wrote: > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. So, here's a (genuine) question: how is this behavior different, from a Fedora policy point of

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:32:39PM +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Also having the Fedora policy be clear and unambiguous. Who would > deal with that? FESCO? The Board (or whatever it's called these days)? FESCo for the technical side, board for high-level guidance. -- Matthew Miller Fed

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 17.11.2014 um 15:28 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: The referer header is sent by default. It isn't obvious how to disable that please don't propose disable the Referer globally a samr

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 15:06:21 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad things it does from a privacy perspective are: If you type a name in the url bar and send, if the name dosn't ma

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:41:22AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200, > Nikos Roussos wrote: > > > >No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we > >remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which > >is far from

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Am 17.11.2014 um 14:41 schrieb Bruno Wolff III: Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some bad things it does from a privacy perspective are: If you type a name in the url bar and send, if the name dosn't match a domain google is contacted. (And it is google even if you

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 12:05:35 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: No. We are talking about the tiles. I didn't see anyone suggesting we remove Google search. It's like the tiles feature crossed a line, which is far from truth. Firefox is really not set up with privacy as a high priority. Some ba

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 2:15 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been >> subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) > > They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that > u

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/17/2014 11:47 AM, Mathieu Bridon wrote: > On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: >> I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my >> IP's location to fix my timezone. > > Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly. True, as you also have

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Mon, 2014-11-17 at 11:37 +0200, Nikos Roussos wrote: > I don't consider my IP address a call to home. [...] Even Gnome checks my > IP's location to fix my timezone. Not by default, you have to enable this explicitly. > > Second, a user can easily accidentally click on ad, since it is mixed > >

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

> > This doesn't seem relevant to this discussion, unless Fedora browsers > > are automatically, and without the user's explicit knowledge or > > permission, navigating to Google's search engine, which (AFAICT) they > > are not. > > Same happens with these tiles. No data is sen

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/16/2014 06:31 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 11/15/2014 11:41 PM, Johannes Lips wrote: I don't really understand the issue at all. We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. I don't think we do. Anaconda, for example, phones home even before you select the installation

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/16/2014 02:47 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: and arbt is not phone-home? ABRT will never send anything without user permission. Except when it does (due to bugs). And I'm sorry to say that I think the UI is still confusing and may

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Hi, I just wanted to make a recommendation based on a few comments that were made thus far. On 11/16/2014 11:11 PM, Christopher wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos mailto:comzer...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: > On Sun, Nov 1

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Nikos Roussos wrote: > On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad > > mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel >

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 15.11.2014 16:51, Michael Catanzaro wrote: ... > We're working hard on WebKitGTK+ ... ... This is something new? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_web_browsers#WebKit-based WebKit-based Amazon Kindle (experimental) Arora (discontinued) BOLT browser (discontinued) Chromium

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Mustafa Muhammad wrote: > The "ads" are not intrusive, they don't collect personally > identifiable data, and can be disabled with a selection from a button > on the start page! > See: > http://www.pcworld.com/article/2848017/how-to-get-rid-of-firefoxs-new-ads-on-the-new-tab-page.html The instruct

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Well, how to put it ... Mozilla.com's role in fedora has many times been > subject to controvercies, but doubts have always been ruled ;) They always get special exceptions for any and all Fedora policies that upstream does not want to comply with, with the excuse that oth

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 11/16/2014 08:24 PM, Christopher wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad > mailto:mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel > wrote: > > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its adver

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Gerald B. Cox wrote: > I went back and reviewed Fedora Forbidden Items > and > saw nothing that applied to the situation with Firefox. While I agree with > the statement: "The concerns raised ar

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

I went back and reviewed Fedora Forbidden Items and saw nothing that applied to the situation with Firefox. While I agree with the statement: "The concerns raised are that the default configuration is an "opt-out" vs. "opt-in" mod

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Mustafa Muhammad < mustafaa.alhamda...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Lars Seipel > wrote: > > So Mozilla has recently gone live with its advertisement tiles on the > > "New Tab" page. Only newly created profiles get to see this stuff. > > >

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

Dne 15.11.2014 v 15:06 Kevin Kofler napsal(a): > Lars Seipel wrote: >> What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship >> applications to carry ads and report tracking data? > No! > > IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora entirely, in favor of > Epiphany for Workst

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On 2014-11-16, 05:31 GMT, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> I don't really understand the issue at all. > We have a "no-phone-home" and "no-spy" policy in Fedora. And I believe the same goes for the Mozilla ... did anybody check their privacy policy? https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/privacy/ Also, https:

Re: Mozilla enabled ads in Firefox and they're active in Fedora

On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 10:52 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > and arbt is not phone-home? ABRT will never send anything without user permission. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- devel mailing list devel@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mai

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