Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-06-11 Thread Reon Beon via devel
>RISE project https://riseproject.dev/ ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-06-11 Thread Reon Beon via devel
Can't wait for a risc-v Fedora iso for Workstation! https://fedoraproject.org/workstation/download/ here ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-06-01 Thread Jun Aruga (he / him)
> Red Hat is a member. In fact there's an (internal) kick-off meeting > for RISE today which I'll be attending. I saw that Red Hat is a member of the RISE project on the page. And it's really great to see that you will be attending the kick-off meeting. Thank you for that. I am looking forward

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-06-01 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:57PM +0200, Jun Aruga (he / him) wrote: > This is exciting news related to the RISC-V ecosystem. > I expect that the RISC-V Software Ecosystem (RISE) Project will be a > leading organization to help open source projects by providing free > RISC-V CI services to them,

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-05-31 Thread Jun Aruga (he / him)
This is exciting news related to the RISC-V ecosystem. I expect that the RISC-V Software Ecosystem (RISE) Project will be a leading organization to help open source projects by providing free RISC-V CI services to them, and sponsoring the free RISC-V SSH servers on the clouds to them. It is like

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-10 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi, On Monday, 2021-10-04 13:03:27 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > But beyond that: What other things might be limits? Are there key bits of > the distro which don't build yet? Fwiw, I learned just yesterday that apparently to stay on the cheap side they underspecified RISC-V FPU to omit some

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-10 Thread Josh Boyer
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 5:11 AM David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:22 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:15 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:47 AM Josh Boyer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-10 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 5:11 AM David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:22 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:15 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:47 AM Josh Boyer > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-10 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 3:22 PM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:15 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:47 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David Abdurachmanov > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:28 AM Jeff Law

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 9:15 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:47 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David Abdurachmanov > > wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:28 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/23 23:41, David

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-09 Thread Jeff Law
On 1/9/23 07:14, Neal Gompa wrote: It is very unlikely that CentOS Stream 10 will include RISC-V as a fully included architecture. Perhaps via a CentOS Stream SIG. I believe that was the implication in the first place, hence mentioning CentOS Stream rather than RHEL. The Alternative

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-09 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 8:47 AM Josh Boyer wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David Abdurachmanov > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:28 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 1/6/23 23:41, David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > > > > > > > Summary from multi-year

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-09 Thread Josh Boyer
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:42 AM David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:28 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > > > > > On 1/6/23 23:41, David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > > > > > Summary from multi-year discussions/feedback on this: > > > - We don't have proper hardware to put into the data

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-07 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 2:28 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > On 1/6/23 23:41, David Abdurachmanov wrote: > > > > Summary from multi-year discussions/feedback on this: > > - We don't have proper hardware to put into the data center that holds > > servers used by Fedora infrastructure. > Right. dev

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-06 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 2:42 AM Jeff Law wrote: > > > > On 1/6/23 16:19, Jun Aruga (he / him) wrote: > > I posted the same article on Fedora Discussion.[1] However let me > > share it again on the devel@ to tell it to many people. > > > > This is interesting news about RISC-V this week. Perhaps,

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-06 Thread Jeff Law
On 1/6/23 16:19, Jun Aruga (he / him) wrote: I posted the same article on Fedora Discussion.[1] However let me share it again on the devel@ to tell it to many people. This is interesting news about RISC-V this week. Perhaps, it’s time to prepare to add the RISC-V CPU to the Koji build system?

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2023-01-06 Thread Jun Aruga (he / him)
I posted the same article on Fedora Discussion.[1] However let me share it again on the devel@ to tell it to many people. This is interesting news about RISC-V this week. Perhaps, it’s time to prepare to add the RISC-V CPU to the Koji build system? Google wants RISC-V to be a “tier-1” Android

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-08 Thread Al Stone
On 06 Oct 2021 10:17, Justin Forbes wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 12:03 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > > organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-08 Thread Al Stone
On 04 Oct 2021 21:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > Personally speaking I think the real barrier is someone with a large > colourful hat putting up the money to hire a full time developer to > work on the project. > > Rich. Big ol' +1 to that. -- ciao, al --- Al

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-08 Thread Fu Wei
Fu Wei 于2021年10月8日周五 上午11:55写道: > > Hi All, > > Great thanks for your explanation, Zamir. > > Zamir SUN 于2021年10月7日周四 下午9:55写道: > > > > > > > > On 10/5/21 04:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 12:07:30PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >> On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-07 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 1:30 AM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Josh Stone wrote: > > > > On 10/4/21 12:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >> * How good is emulation support > > > > > > The lack of real hardware for RISC-V

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-07 Thread Zamir SUN
On 10/5/21 04:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 12:07:30PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-06 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Oct 6, 2021 at 1:50 PM Josh Stone wrote: > > On 10/4/21 12:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> * How good is emulation support > > > > The lack of real hardware for RISC-V has made it so almost everyone is > > working with emulation. It's

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-06 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Oct 06, 2021 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > On 10/4/21 12:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >> * How good is emulation support > > > > The lack of real hardware for RISC-V has made it so almost everyone is > > working with

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Oct 06, 2021 at 10:50:02AM -0700, Josh Stone wrote: > > The real hardware options do not have the performance to keep up with > > the other architectures. > Is it really so slow that emulation is preferable? Speed isn't the only concern -- in order to be reasonably manageable, we need

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-06 Thread Josh Stone
On 10/4/21 12:12 PM, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> * How good is emulation support > > The lack of real hardware for RISC-V has made it so almost everyone is > working with emulation. It's not realistic right now to work with real > hardware. > >> *

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-06 Thread Justin Forbes
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 12:03 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. > > In that, he noted that there's

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-05 Thread David Abdurachmanov
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:13 PM Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > > > found interesting were on RISC-V --

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-05 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 10:47:14PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > Personally speaking I think the real barrier is someone with a large > > colourful hat putting up the money to hire a full time developer to > > work on the project. > Also, I think one of the pre-requisites to

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-05 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 10:47:14PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > On Monday, 04 October 2021 at 22:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > [...] > > Personally speaking I think the real barrier is someone with a large > > colourful hat putting up the money to hire a full time developer to

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-05 Thread Leigh Scott
> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:04 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > I think the primary problem here is that koji does support neither > external builders nor building on top of qemu emulation. > However, COPR *does* support building on emulated architectures > (that's how its armv7 and s390x support

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Luna Jernberg
https://www.opensourcevoices.org/20 On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 10:47 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > On Monday, 04 October 2021 at 22:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > [...] > > Personally speaking I think the real barrier is someone with a large > > colourful hat

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 04 October 2021 at 22:39, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: [...] > Personally speaking I think the real barrier is someone with a large > colourful hat putting up the money to hire a full time developer to > work on the project. Also, I think one of the pre-requisites to enabling it in koji

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 12:07:30PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > > organizational

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. > > In that, he noted that

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:07 PM Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > > organizational structure, and

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, Oct 04, 2021 at 01:03:27PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. > > In that, he noted that

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread linux guy
I have nothing to add to this conversation other than: 1) I'd love to see RISC-V become a serious contender to X86-64. I'm tired of being controlled by the Intel/AMD oligopoly. 2) I love seeing Fedora people discuss supporting RISC-V. 3) Linux rocks. Fedora rocks.

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Neal Gompa
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 1:35 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:04 PM Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > > organizational structure, and

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Fabio Valentini
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:04 PM Matthew Miller wrote: > > Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I > found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the > organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. > > In that, he noted that there's

Re: RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread JT
I've been wanting to work with RISC-V for a while, but it's been really difficult to get my hands on a dev board. I spoke with Mark Himmelstein from RISC-V International last week and he mentioned that they are pushing hard to get more dev boards out... but they're getting hit with the chip

RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?

2021-10-04 Thread Matthew Miller
Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. In that, he noted that there's a Fedora build *, but it isn't an official Fedora arch. As I