Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-13 Thread Alexandre Mazari
Hi Stephen, Thanks for putting this issue on the table. I am using Rawhide as my primary development environment. Indeed it offers a mostly up-to-date development target for the next gnome release. But the situation is far from ideal, rawhide expectantly breaks major components once in a while

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-13 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 09:57:34AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does

Fwd: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
Not sure if this went through either so forwarding as requested. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan Corbet cor...@lwn.net Date: Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 15:50 Subject: Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect? To: Development discussions related to Fedora devel

What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does someone like Jonathan Corbet expect and how can we better serve them? [And

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread darrell pfeifer
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 08:57, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.comwrote: In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 09:57:34 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.com wrote: In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
I run rawhide full time on a test machine here. rawhide-test.scrye.com, see: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Machine_Resources_For_Package_Maintainers Usually I use it to test my packages and confirm/fix bugs that are reported. It's a vm, but vncserver works for testing a lot. I do notice when

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Clyde E. Kunkel
On 09/12/2011 11:57 AM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does someone like

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Jef Spaleta
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:57 AM, Stephen John Smoogen smo...@gmail.comwrote: In some cases, expectations may be off which means we need to market our deliverables better. In other cases, they may be looking for a better way to get attention to rawhide issues when everyone else is focused on

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Alex Hudson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? My expectation is something that basically works. Like others have said, I expect occasional breakage, but my rawhide criterion is latest version

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le lundi 12 septembre 2011 à 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen a écrit : In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of pain does

Re: What do rawhide testers want and expect?

2011-09-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Mon, 2011-09-12 at 13:01 -0400, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote: I use rawhide daily, primarily for mail, web and document creation. I also enjoy trying new software in rawhide which leads to some interesting situations. I like to test the packages in updates-testing as a proven packager, but