On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 18:21, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) said:
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 23:27, David Michael wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Bill Nottingham
>> > wrote:
>> >> Right, but that then causes 'last one wins' behavior among multiple DMs
Kay Sievers (kay.siev...@vrfy.org) said:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 23:27, David Michael wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >> Right, but that then causes 'last one wins' behavior among multiple DMs.
> >>
> >> I suppose we could use alternatives for this, as much
On Tue, 19.07.11 03:43, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
> wrote:
> > On Mon, 18.07.11 23:26, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> >> I can't see a reason to discuss /etc/sysconfig as a single unit, nor
> >> to argue for removal of /e
On 07/19/2011 10:23 AM, Lucas wrote:
> Right now systemd can't boot my system up, it hangs everything.
You're hitting a kernel bug, don't blame systemd.
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Le Lun 18 juillet 2011 20:57, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> No. There is no need for a directory that replaces /etc/sysconfig. It's
> borked. If a daemon has not configuration file but should have one, then
> fix the daemon, don't fake a configuration file.
Well, really that's a bit rich commin
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Well, if they didn't need fixed before, they'll certainly need fixed
> when you make them start keeping their configuration info someplace else
Yeah -- daemons that can be configured with commandline options or
envvars are Just Fine.
If those op
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 23:26, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
>> I can't see a reason to discuss /etc/sysconfig as a single unit, nor
>> to argue for removal of /etc/sysconfig a single unit, nor to try to
>> form a definite consensus ab
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:13, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, MichaÅ Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > >
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Kay Sievers wrote:
> We should not let packages create config files in lib, lib is more for
> static content from rpms, not really for configuration. For the same
> reason, 'systemctl enable/disable' acts on /etc only.
I had imagined using alternatives would
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 23:14 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 21:57, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:46:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> > > This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
> > >
> > > http://0pointer.de/blog/proj
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 15:59 -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Lennart Poettering writes:
> > On Mon, 18.07.11 15:34, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote:
> >> Well, if they didn't need fixed before, they'll certainly need fixed
> >> when you make them start keeping their configuration info someplace else
> >>
On Mon, 18.07.11 23:26, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Richard W.M. Jones
> wrote:
> > I'm sympathetic to Lennart's arguments, but really this should be
> > discussed and decided in the context of a real, open forum, drawing
> > interested people fro
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 23:27, David Michael wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
>> Right, but that then causes 'last one wins' behavior among multiple DMs.
>>
>> I suppose we could use alternatives for this, as much as I dislike it.
>
> I meant creating that symlink
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 23:20, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> Hmm? Which ones in fedora can't? Are you suggesting we are shipping
>> software that cannot be modified? If so, please explain which one that
>> is, since we need to remove it from the distro th
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Right, but that then causes 'last one wins' behavior among multiple DMs.
>
> I suppose we could use alternatives for this, as much as I dislike it.
I meant creating that symlink was the replacement for
/etc/sysconfig/desktop, the end-
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 10:57 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> I'm sympathetic to Lennart's arguments, but really this should be
> discussed and decided in the context of a real, open forum, drawing
> interested people from all of the Linux distros (possibly BSD etc
> too). Perhaps LSB?
/etc/sysc
On Mon, 18.07.11 23:17, Miloslav Trmač (m...@volny.cz) wrote:
> > These interfaces introduced by systemd are actually discussed in quite
> > some detail on the systemd irc channel and mailing list. It's a very
> > open forum, you are welcome to join.
>
> So Fedora is the right place to discuss re
On Mon, 18.07.11 17:00, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> > > > > Generally speaking I like the idea of dropping /etc/sysconfig. I think
> > > > > the right way it keeping minimal, standardized configuration in
> > > > > /etc/services.conf/ or something like that.
> > > >
> > > > No. There is
On Mon, 18 Jul 2011, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:13, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > 2011/
David Michael (fedora@gmail.com) said:
> > what then out of interest is the replacement for a
> > /etc/sysconfig/desktop file that defines which login manager should be
> > the default (and which is not there by default)? Can KDM then be
> > started when X starts and not GDM without the use of
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Lennart Poettering
wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 21:57, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:46:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
>> > This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
>> >
>> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-s
Hi,
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 4:42 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> what then out of interest is the replacement for a
> /etc/sysconfig/desktop file that defines which login manager should be
> the default (and which is not there by default)? Can KDM then be
> started when X starts and not GDM without the
On Mon, 18.07.11 21:57, Richard W.M. Jones (rjo...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:46:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> > This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
> >
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>
> I'm sympathetic to Lennart's arguments, but r
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:42 PM, mike cloaked wrote:
> I guess the process can be started - but by the time it is ready for
> prime time then any daemons that need to work should have been tested
> to work without the need for any /etc/sysconfig/... files - just by
> the way what then out of inte
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 21:16 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:13, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>>
>> > On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (m
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 21:16 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:13, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > > On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > >
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 02:46:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
>
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
I'm sympathetic to Lennart's arguments, but really this should be
discussed and decided in the context of a real, open forum, drawi
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
>> Some daemons cannot be "fixed", get over with this mantra that daemons
>> need be fixed Lennart.
>
> If I were a betting man I'd wager that all the daemons we ship are
> easier to "fi
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 21:59, Tom Lane wrote:
> Lennart Poettering writes:
>> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:34, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote:
>>> Well, if they didn't need fixed before, they'll certainly need fixed
>>> when you make them start keeping their configuration info someplace else
>>> than /
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 21:45, Adam Miller
wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:16:13PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>
>> Hmm? Which ones in fedora can't? Are you suggesting we are shipping
>> software that cannot be modified? If so, please explain which one that
>> is, since we need to remove
Lennart Poettering writes:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 15:34, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote:
>> Well, if they didn't need fixed before, they'll certainly need fixed
>> when you make them start keeping their configuration info someplace else
>> than /etc/sysconfig. This proposal sounds more like "wait,
On Mon, 18.07.11 15:34, Tom Lane (t...@redhat.com) wrote:
>
> Simo Sorce writes:
> > On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>
> >> No. There is no need for a directory that replaces /etc/sysconfig. It's
> >> bork
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 09:16:13PM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> Hmm? Which ones in fedora can't? Are you suggesting we are shipping
> software that cannot be modified? If so, please explain which one that
> is, since we need to remove it from the distro then. Fedora only
> includess Free Sof
Simo Sorce writes:
> On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>> No. There is no need for a directory that replaces /etc/sysconfig. It's
>> borked. If a daemon has not configuration file but should have one, then
>> fi
On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Simo Sorce wrote:
> Some daemons cannot be "fixed", get over with this mantra that daemons
> need be fixed Lennart.
If I were a betting man I'd wager that all the daemons we ship are
easier to "fix" than the US deficit (in both the technical sense and
in the
On Mon, 18.07.11 15:13, Simo Sorce (s...@redhat.com) wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > 2011/7/18 Neal Becker :
> > > > This article recommends ending /etc
On Mon, 2011-07-18 at 20:57 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > 2011/7/18 Neal Becker :
> > > This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
> > >
> > > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>
On 07/18/2011 06:57 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 2011/7/18 Neal Becker:
>>> This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
>>>
>>> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>>>
>> Generally speaking I l
On Mon, 18.07.11 20:54, Michał Piotrowski (mkkp...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> 2011/7/18 Neal Becker :
> > This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
> >
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
> >
>
> Generally speaking I like the idea of dropping /etc/sysconfig. I think
Hi,
2011/7/18 Neal Becker :
> This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
>
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
>
Generally speaking I like the idea of dropping /etc/sysconfig. I think
the right way it keeping minimal, standardized configuration in
/etc/services.conf/ or some
This article recommends ending /etc/sysconfig
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/on-etc-sysinit.html
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