Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:09:50AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > It's nice to be able to edit the .py for testing without going through > hoops or building/installing rpms. Right, but you know that if you're doing that in /usr/lib, that's *gross*, right? :) -- Matthew Miller

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On 09/25/2015 08:36 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:09:50AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: It's nice to be able to edit the .py for testing without going through hoops or building/installing rpms. Right, but you know that if you're doing that in /usr/lib, that's *gross*,

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On 9/25/15, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:30:38AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >> Maybe we could utilize weak dependencies here. The python-foo package >> would have only bytecompiled files and would Recommend >> python-foo-sourcefiles. That way

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:30:38AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: > Maybe we could utilize weak dependencies here. The python-foo package > would have only bytecompiled files and would Recommend > python-foo-sourcefiles. That way python-foo-sourcefiles would be > installed in standard setting, but

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On 09/25/2015 10:04 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just optionally, using recommends. On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't drop the .py files? I see a

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

- Original Message - > On 09/25/2015 08:36 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:09:50AM -0400, Paul Wouters wrote: > >> It's nice to be able to edit the .py for testing without going through > >> hoops or building/installing rpms. > > > > Right, but you know that if

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On 09/25/2015 10:01 AM, Christopher Meng wrote: > On 9/25/15, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:30:38AM -0400, Bohuslav Kabrda wrote: >>> Maybe we could utilize weak dependencies here. The python-foo package >>> would have only bytecompiled files and

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

* Matthew Miller: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just >> optionally, using recommends. >> >> On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't drop >> the .py files? I see a lot of

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

Dne 25.9.2015 v 16:04 Matthew Miller napsal(a): > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >> Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just >> optionally, using recommends. Just to be clear, not/optional shipping the bytecode is the preferred method IMO

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

Dne 25.9.2015 v 16:15 Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): > On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 10:04 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: >>> Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just >>> optionally, using recommends. >>> >>> On contrary, if

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Dne 25.9.2015 v 16:15 Mathieu Bridon napsal(a): > > (it is invaluable for learning and > > debugging purposes to be able to read/edit the code). > > Come on, this is not an argument. We don't install source code for any >

python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just > optionally, using recommends. > > On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't drop > the .py files? I see a lot of duplication all around python

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, 25 Sep 2015, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just optionally, using recommends. On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't drop the .py files? I see a

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 10:04 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:10:40AM +0200, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Also, you might consider to ship the precompiled bytecode just > > optionally, using recommends. > > > > On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't >

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you don't drop >> the .py files? I see a lot of duplication all around python packages Don't do that, it has impact on functionality. We did this for

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 16:17 +0200, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > > On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you > > > don't drop > > > the .py files? I see a lot of duplication all around python > > >

Re: python: dropping the .py files [was Re: Fedora 23 cloud image (and, for that matter, minimal anything)] bloat

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On Fri, 2015-09-25 at 16:17 +0200, Fabian Deutsch wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Matthew Miller >> wrote: >> > > On contrary, if you insist on shipping the bytecode, why you >>