On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
is the only package that requires cpp. Next question - why does
xorg-x11-server-utils require cpp?
According to the changelog
* Mon Nov 28 2005 Mike A. Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0.99.2-6
- Added Requires: cpp as xrdb
Hi, have you looked at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Remote_display ?
/Korakurider
On 5/16/08, Steve Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am doing a talk in front of a large audience and would like to show
the XO's screen on a projector. I have a laptop which
can be projected and ideally would like to
I was pleased that the main Sugar Labs page reports:
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Main_Page
This is a list of some Activites that are installed by default.
followed by icons for Browse, Read, Write, Record, Log, Pippy, Terminal, etc.
Every fork is an opportunity to get things right that
On Friday 16 May 2008 6:06:10 pm Martin Langhoff wrote:
What happens if we remove it? Well, it looks like Ubuntu tried, and
had to revert
It looks like they just removed the dependency rather than a replacement.
xrdb supports
-cpp filename preprocessor to use [/usr/bin/cpp]
so a
This is good, not bad. Adding glibc-headers is the proper response.
The XO is really really close to having normal and standard tools
for software development.
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[NN] then claimed no OLPC resources would
be devoted to the project. I'm left wondering how many of those
resources went into this firmware mod.
The firmware mod required weeks of a skilled engineer's time. This
engineer put in the time, partly or fully paid by OLPC,
2008/5/16 Steve Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I want to start sugar from a command line without invoking special keys - is
there any way to do so???
Can you please explain better what you try to do and in which environment?
Thanks,
Tomeu
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2008/5/16 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I am planning to apply to OLPC for a job as a contractor, working on
Develop. I have been told that my first-priority feature, automatic code
localization, would be hard to justify on the OLPC roadmap. So I'd like to
hear some votes/priorities
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seth Woodworth writes:
So as a fair practice I think it's clear that no special actions can
ethically be made to prevent Windows or any other OS from running on
the machine. So a Windows port for the XO isn't something
On Friday 16 May 2008 6:31:51 am Jim Gettys wrote:
Ah, Windows needs more than 1GB to be useful; so to run Windows you need
to pay extra for a SD card big enough to hold it.
Mmm Windows doesn't need to do anything useful. It just needs to rake in
$3. Once sold, you are free to load software
I really like your localization idea. However, I think that finishing
core Sugar functionality (Journal integration, collaboration,
producing activity bundles) has to be the priority. Once we have the
essentials, we can ask the children what to do next. If they like
localization, I count that
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Kurt H Maier wrote:
How is this relevant? When Microsoft sits down and throws its vast
resources at making Windows just work on the XO-1, it's going to
blow our current FOSS distributions out of the water.
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It would have been a lot simpler to have left OFW as it was, unable to
support a Windows boot. But the point is now moot.
No, actually that would have forced the Windows scenario to require a
BIOS to be flashed in place
OK, here's the status on your list. In general, I had taken it as a given
that most of what you said would work before I moved on.
Develop should be really really good at creating new activities, and
editing existing ones, without any need for using Terminal and other
editors. That should be
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 16:02 +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 03:23:18PM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote:
At this stage, I am slowly hacking on ds-backup.py. My plan so far is to
Where can I find
Hey dear lists,
We at OLE Nepal have some trouble with squeak images coming out of XO suspend.
Basically when coming out of suspend, the Squeak process takes up lots
of cpu power and can be unresponsive for about a minute on build 703
(other builds not yet tested).
Also we loose sound. Which
2008/5/16 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* No need for DoppelJournal
The two necessary patches have existed for months now, Tomeu had promised to
review them, but that is apparently going slowly.
Some of the above require changes to Sugar or Journal. Take that as
your responsibility
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Ties Stuij [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Basically when coming out of suspend, the Squeak process takes up lots
of cpu power and can be unresponsive for about a minute on build 703
(other builds not yet tested).
What about:
- launch etoys
- check its pid
- attach
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/5/16 Jameson Chema Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
* No need for DoppelJournal
The two necessary patches have existed for months now, Tomeu had promised
to
review them, but that is apparently going slowly.
Some of
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Jameson Chema Quinn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, here's the status on your list. In general, I had taken it as a given
that most of what you said would work before I moved on.
Great!
* Integration with the View Source key for arbitrary activities
For
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 11:01 -0700, Brian Cavagnolo wrote:
This patch is based on a patch from Shailendra Govardhan. It introduces
several new iwprivs: {get,set}_bootflag {get,set}_boottime {get,set}_def_chan
{get,set}_def_protid {get,set}_def_metid {get,set}_def_meshcap
{get,set}_def_meshid.
Build Announcer v2 wrote:
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build704
Changes in build 704 from build: 703
Size delta: 0.00M
-olpc-utils 0.68-1.olpc2
+olpc-utils 0.73-1.olpc2
-xkeyboard-config 1.1-15.20071130cvs.olpc2
+xkeyboard-config 1.1-17.20071130cvs.olpc2
On May 15, 2008, at 5:51 PM, Bill Mccormick wrote:
Ok. I found 4 networking scenarios on the wiki at this link:
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Networking_scenarios
I was a little surprised not to see a scenario where a mesh network
connects via a mesh portal without a school server.
At 07:27 PM 5/15/2008, Asheesh Laroia wrote:
My copy of this mail does not have the attachment of the mission
statement.
Mission statement.doc
Description: MS-Word document
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2008/5/16 Nicholas Negroponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (word document attached)
For those who can't or won't open the word document, it contains simply this:
Mission statement of OLPC
To eliminate poverty and create world peace by providing education to
the poorest and most remote children on the
Steve,
I don't know how to project an actual XO, but have you considered
running a Live CD version of Sugar on your regular laptop? You would
boot up using the CD, no need to install anything on the hard drive, and
this would give your laptop the Sugar interface which you could demo to
your
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 15:09 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 11:01 -0700, Brian Cavagnolo wrote:
This patch is based on a patch from Shailendra Govardhan. It introduces
several new iwprivs: {get,set}_bootflag {get,set}_boottime
{get,set}_def_chan
{get,set}_def_protid
* NO TOTAL LOSS OF JOURNAL CONTENTS.
Haven't seen it in months. Datastore should be made more sturdy anyway. I
know that this answer is lame, but how do I debug what I can't now
reproduce?
Perhaps you should revise http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Develop then :)
I don't trust magic
There's a lot of discussion about whether OLPC is an education project,
or a laptop project. Many folks here think that recent developments show
that the balance is tipped to the latter rather than the former.
It's neither. It's a _sales_ project. If people don't buy them, it
doesn't matter
Hey Zach. I'm the maintainer for the Develop activity, over the long term
I would love to have this functionality in Develop. Got to go now, but we
definitely have to talk. You should start hanging out on the IRC channels -
I am homonq (actually I misspelled that to keep google from caching my
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:31:05PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
The changelog for olpc-utils is missing. Is it a bug in
the script?
Seems likely to me since Koji printed the appropriate changelog
information after it built the RPM.
Also, a version change from 0.68 to 0.73 seems a little
Hi,
We are currently working on the driver development of the low
cost UVT-100 USB2VGA dongle from MCT. This is rather important
to be able to present the XO by itself, and at low cost, to be
consistent with the OLPC initiative.
The uvt-100 mct driver is derived from the sisusb vga driver. The
At 7:37 PM +0200 5/16/08, Samir Saidani wrote:
The uvt-100 mct driver is derived from the sisusb vga driver. The
current status of the dev is on this page:
http://wiki.laptop.org/User:Samir/USB2VGA UVT-100 dev
All info and materials needed for a developer to start digging on this
driver is
Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al,
I think the key decision is to default the frame on or off. In addition
we should have a long term vision for the frame. For example, is it a
short cut to find things or a first place to look for key features?
The only key feature I have heard so far is copy and
We could still boot Linux on a conventional BIOS, like on every other
machine in the world.
But then we give up fast suspend/resume, and distribution channel
security.
It seems to me that having Linux able to work better than Windows in
fundamental ways is wise ;-).
- Jim
On
I'm not the best person with words. But here goes anyway...
Yes, the OLPC project is an open source project, but in practice the
project itself suffers from being closed, disorganized, and opaque in
its operations.
We (if you're reading this, I mean you) need to put aside all this
personal One
Considering that a whole key on the key board is dedicated to the frame, why
not use one of its meta modes (shift, alt) to be the toggle for default
off/on of the corner sensitivity?
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al,
There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
months is pretty good by most measures. It is a far cry from the 100M
units that Nicholas
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al,
I think the key decision is to default the frame on or off. In addition
we should have a long term vision for the frame. For example, is it a
short cut to find things or a first place
Morgan Collett wrote:
2008/5/16 Nicholas Negroponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (word document attached)
For those who can't or won't open the word document, it contains simply this:
Mission statement of OLPC
To eliminate poverty and create world peace by providing education to
the poorest and most
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM, Sameer Verma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Morgan Collett wrote:
2008/5/16 Nicholas Negroponte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (word document attached)
For those who can't or won't open the word document, it contains simply this:
Mission statement of OLPC
To eliminate
On Fri, 16 May 2008, Walter Bender wrote:
There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
months is pretty good by most measures. It is a
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Greg Smith (gregmsmi)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Simon, Marco, Eben et al,
I think the key decision is to default the frame on or off. In addition
we should have a long term
I received Mr Bender's reply off list. I replied privately, as it came
off list. I now see that Mr. Bender sent his reply to the list, so I'm
forwarding my reply to him to the list too.
Bob
Original Message
Subject: Re: XP on OLPC - a contrarian view
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Garrett Goebel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The Cambridge Lab staff ought to do a little self-examination. Because
they would never guess how much to us outsiders they resemble their
upper management. I can't tell you how often these smart mostly male
MIT
SO, let me clarify my own POV... if anyone cares :)
XP on the OLPC does not bother me so much, for all the reasons
mentioned. As long as it
DOES still run Linux/Sugar then its up to us to make that compelling.
I'm sure no third world country WANTS to spend another $7.00 a machine
if there is no
Walter Bender wrote:
There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
months is pretty good by most measures.
I understand from press
Ok, Here's where it gets scary.
That being said, I believe Bill G is a prime example of 'Daniel
Plainview' capitalism -- it's not enough for him to win, everyone
else has to lose. So OLPC has to be careful.
NN said in his release
Open Firmware V2, the free and open source BIOS, is now
Denver Gingerich denver at ossguy.com writes:
I've never seen one of these holier than thou e-mails you mention.
It certainly doesn't seem to be like any of the staff I've
communicated with to do such a thing.
Sorry, but this impression on users (and I share it too) is inevitable.
The
Robert Myers rmyers7 at mindspring.com writes:
I just saw the Microsoft video of an XO running XP. In it the XO single
boots from an 'insyde' BIOS. The MS guy says that XP doesn't fit on the
flash, and is installed on an SD card. In this case, I'd guess the flash
is just being used as a
Ok, back to development issues.
'View Source' is touted as one of the user win features of the XO. There
doesn't seem to be much useful discussion of it on the wiki.
What's the best path for making an activity 'view source' friendly?
Reverse engineering from Chat, which is? Some other way?
Robert Myers wrote:
I just saw the Microsoft video of an XO running XP. In it the XO single
boots from an 'insyde' BIOS. The MS guy says that XP doesn't fit on the
flash, and is installed on an SD card. In this case, I'd guess the flash
is just being used as a home for the BIOS.
The
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There is an underlying assertion in your post (and much of the press
coverage of the Windows XP announcement) that the XO has not been
selling well to date. I would assert that 600K units in the first 6
months is pretty
Richard,
Sorry.
1) I knew about the separate memory for the firmware. I've reloaded it
often enough :-). I was more interested in publishing that thinking
deeply about how the XO works.
2) Again, sorry about my loose use of language. I should know better,
and try to be more precise. However,
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Denver Gingerich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM, Garrett Goebel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
The Cambridge Lab staff ought to do a little self-examination. Because
they would never guess how much to us outsiders they resemble their
On Saturday 17 May 2008 11:27:29 am Robert Myers wrote:
'View Source' is touted as one of the user win features of the XO. There
doesn't seem to be much useful discussion of it on the wiki.
What's the best path for making an activity 'view source' friendly?
Reverse engineering from Chat,
Don't think of it just as source code, but do think of it as a way
expose the inner workings of whatever the activity is doing. For
example, view source in the browser might take you into an HTML
editor, a Javascript editor, or the Python code for the browser itself
as a progression of steps.
Michael Stone wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:31:05PM +0200, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
The changelog for olpc-utils is missing. Is it a bug in
the script?
Seems likely to me since Koji printed the appropriate changelog
information after it built the RPM.
Also, a version change from 0.68
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nick Negroponte has said :
Open Firmware V2, the free and open source BIOS, is now capable of
running Linux, Microsoft Windows XP and other operating systems, and was
developed by Firmworks with support from OLPC. This will enable dual
boot of OLPC XO laptops with
What's the best path for making an activity 'view source' friendly?
Reverse engineering from Chat, which is? Some other way?
Perhaps you could write it in Squeak. The entire dynamic and static
state and environment including source code is readily available for
viewing to the user, and you
Forwarding this from the OLPC-SF list. Some of you may find this useful.
Sameer
--
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
http://opensource.sfsu.edu/
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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Edward Cherlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Albert Cahalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just look at the deal. Dual-boot costs $7 extra. Governments will
not pay the extra $7 to allow dual-boot.
No, Windows costs about $7 extra for
Robert Myers writes:
The folks that are buying them, Ministries of Education, governments,
charities all have their own agendas. They do not necessarily line up
with the agendas of our real customers - children and educators, or our
own. If we have to give them some of what they want, so that
Eben Eliason eben.eliason at gmail.com writes:
Right. I think this is the biggest point of conflict between my own
thoughts for solving the issues and those of the community providing
feedback about it. I certainly take the comments regarding accidental
invocation seriously, and seriously
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Johannes Berg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 15:09 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 11:01 -0700, Brian Cavagnolo wrote:
This patch is based on a patch from Shailendra Govardhan. It introduces
several new iwprivs:
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 17:51 +0200, Stefanik Gábor wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Johannes Berg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 15:09 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 11:01 -0700, Brian Cavagnolo wrote:
This patch is based on a patch from
Less effort is always better. Please keep it auto.
Thank you.
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