Re: Why we are about to not bother upkeeping TamTam.

2008-08-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:16 -0400, jean piche wrote: If you are interested in doing this yourself, here is my approximate plan of action: 1. Test all the builds on latest joyride by installing

Re: Why we are about to not bother upkeeping TamTam.

2008-08-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
jean piche wrote: TamTamJam v50 TamTamEdit v49 TamTamSynthLab v50 TamTamMin v48 I dont know why we even bother making new bundles with bug fixes that never get included into the builds. I mean the TamTam you are using is like 8 months old... Anyone care? Hi Jean, I understand

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-08-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:53:26PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I'm not convinced not specified as default component is a good idea, unless we have someone taking care of triaging

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-08-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
Michael Stone wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:48:32PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread S Page
Greg Smith wrote: Hi All, Can we get a show of hands on who downloaded joyride 2230? I updated my G1G1 from 708 (Update 8.1.1 candidate). Software updates is very nice! I had to erase Browse to update it, and I couldn't get Log (viewer) to erase cleanly or install (these are in Trac

New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2258 Changes in build 2258 from build: 2256 Size delta: 0.13M -sugar 0.81.8-1.fc9 +sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp

Re: [sugar] How do I connect to a Jabber server ?

2008-08-06 Thread Morgan Collett
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 19:30, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan wrote: My _wish_ is simple: I want a chance to contact (for Chat, or for collaboration) another XO at a different location. Basically, for me to initiate that, that other XO's icon needs to be shown in my

Re: New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this! I keep shouting about it and no one seems to be

Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On 8/6/08, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this!

Re: Another sugar rant

2008-08-06 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Neil Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:08:33 am Alex Levenson wrote: Searching for X2o using the wiki search doesn't find it. It's Called X2o! it's url is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X2o for heaven's sake!

Re: New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Gary C Martin
On 6 Aug 2008, at 14:47, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this! I

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Eben, Thanks for the explanation. You may want to update the Spec with this added detail. One follow question. On this: If 5 kids are collaborating on a science report, they might all go home and do independent work on their subtopic as homework. The next day they come together in a

short names on wiki bug (was: Re: Another sugar rant)

2008-08-06 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Neil Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:08:33 am Alex Levenson wrote: Searching for X2o using the wiki search doesn't find it.

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eben, Thanks for the explanation. You may want to update the Spec with this added detail. One follow question. On this: If 5 kids are collaborating on a science report, they might all go home and do

Re: [sugar] Another sugar rant

2008-08-06 Thread Reinier Heeres
Hi, I believe this guy is the culprit: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgDBminWordLen Default minimum word length = 4. Cheers, Reinier (But still wikipedia's search function doesn't beat google by far) Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL

Physics games on XO, Info wanted

2008-08-06 Thread Robert Myers
ILXO is sponsoring a game jam this weekend. I'm going to talk about Physics games on the XO. Here's what I'm familiar with: Asteroids (and what I've done to it) X2o Space Tag Physics-0.2 Bounce (hey, it bounces and has gravity) Related stuff: Upcoming Jam in Cambridge Wiki discussions of

Re: X2o Wiki search problem

2008-08-06 Thread James Simmons
I have a bit of experience setting up MediaWiki for my company. By default search ignores words that are shorter than four letters. This eliminates words like the, of, etc. It is possible to change this but it is a fair amount of work and you would have to reindex everything. The

Re: X2o Wiki search problem

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM, James Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a bit of experience setting up MediaWiki for my company. By default search ignores words that are shorter than four letters. This eliminates words like the, of, etc. It is possible to change this but it is a fair

New joyride build 2260

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2260 Changes in build 2260 from build: 2258 Size delta: -0.13M -olpc-hardware-manager 0.4.2-1.fc9 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See

Re: Requesting test help for OFW development release

2008-08-06 Thread John Gilmore
ok wifi my-ssid ok flash http:\\dev.laptop.org\~wmb This didn't work; it required saying: ok flash http:\\dev.laptop.org\~wmb\q2e12f.rom Once I'd flashed it, it doesn't complain about either my tiny 4GB microSD-to-USB reader, nor about the 2GB reader that preceded

New joyride build 2261

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2261 Changes in build 2261 from build: 2260 Size delta: 0.00M -gdb 6.8-12.fc9 +gdb 6.8-17.fc9 -acl 2.2.47-1.fc9 +acl 2.2.47-2.fc9 -coreutils 6.10-28.fc9 +coreutils 6.10-30.fc9 -libacl 2.2.47-1.fc9 +libacl 2.2.47-2.fc9 -libxslt

New faster build 2261

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2261 Changes in build 2261 from build: 2260 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 +sugar 0.81.8-3.20080806git0e744d9629.olpc3 --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-3.20080806git0e744d9629.olpc3 from

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Bastien
Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you walk me through the steps needed for that? e.g. one kid starts an activity then shares it, each other kid opens the activity and joins (or opens their own work?), then ???. How do they get their own work on the clipboard and how do they add it to

Re: Why we are about to not bother upkeeping TamTam.

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Drake
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:16 -0400, jean piche wrote: TamTamJam v50 TamTamEdit v49 TamTamSynthLab v50 TamTamMin v48 I dont know why we even bother making new bundles with bug fixes that never get included into the builds. I mean the TamTam you are using is like 8 months old...

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can you walk me through the steps needed for that? e.g. one kid starts an activity then shares it, each other kid opens the activity and joins (or opens their own work?), then ???. How do

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Bastien
Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the activities will re-open in the same shared-state they were when closed, it might be very useful have a function to let A and B check for diffs and merge their two versions - without doing manually. It still sounds like a decent step forward to

New joyride build 2262

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2262 Changes in build 2262 from build: 2261 Size delta: 0.13M -sugar-update-control 0.5-1 +sugar-update-control 0.6-1 -olpcrd 0.46-0 +olpcrd 0.47-0 -sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 +sugar 0.81.8-3.20080806git0e744d9629.olpc3

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-06 Thread Gary C Martin
On 6 Aug 2008, at 17:32, Eben Eliason wrote: Step by step. I limit the example to 2 kids for simplicity; the method scales naturally. 1. Kid A starts an activity 2. Kid A shares the activity 3. Kid B joins the activity 4. Kids A and B collaborate (synchronously) in the activity 5. Kids A

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 04:01 -0700, S Page wrote: Question: what should we put in Trac's Version field? There's no joyride-2230 and it isn't Development build as of this date. Is joyride still considered olpc-3 ? Yeah, we use the olpc-3 dist tags for our Fedora stuff so that seems

New faster build 2262

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2262 Changes in build 2262 from build: 2261 Size delta: 0.00M -sugar-update-control 0.5-1 +sugar-update-control 0.6-1 -olpcrd 0.46-0 +olpcrd 0.47-0 --- Changes for sugar-update-control 0.6-1 from 0.5-1 --- + Update to match sugar

New joyride build 2263

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2263 Changes in build 2263 from build: 2262 Size delta: 0.26M -pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 +pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.2 +SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 +libmikmod 3.2.0-3.beta2.fc9 --- Included SDL_mixer version 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 --- --- Included

New faster build 2263

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2263 Changes in build 2263 from build: 2262 Size delta: 0.39M -pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.1 +pygame 1.8.0-1.olpc3.2 +SDL_mixer 1.2.8-8.olpc3.1 -gnome-vfs2 2.22.0-2.olpc3 +gnome-vfs2 2.22.0-3.olpc3 +libmikmod 3.2.0-3.beta2.fc9 --- Included

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread Erik Garrison
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:01:11AM -0700, S Page wrote: The screen rotate bug bit me twice, I really wish I had known not to press that button! My apologies. I'm sitting on a patch for this issue (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7407). I expect to push it out tomorrow. Erik

Re: Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour - fakeroot bug

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real problem is that fakeroot on Fedora is not up to date - even on F9. I will follow that up in a separate email :-) So if you are using fakeroot on a Fedora machine, you have a nasty race condition right there in

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we use the olpc-3 dist tags for our Fedora stuff so that seems appropriate. It doesn't really matter though. You could leave it blank. Just make sure you clearly indicate which joyride version you are using by adding a

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-06 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 11:00:35AM -0500, Robert Myers wrote: Some really annoying (to me) Joyride bugs are still there, like screen rotation fails -- I like using my XO as a book reader. #7407. I have a patch I will push tomorrow. ___ Devel mailing

New joyride build 2264

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2264 Changes in build 2264 from build: 2263 Size delta: 0.13M -gnome-vfs2 2.22.0-2.olpc3 +gnome-vfs2 2.22.0-3.olpc3 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate

How to be easy to work with.

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, I received some fantastic criticism yesterday from a security researcher named Steven Murdoch on what a crappy job I've been doing of providing outside security folks with the knowledge necessary to work alongside me. To begin to remedy this lack, I put together two wiki pages:

Re: Read 48 and PDF

2008-08-06 Thread Jacob Haddon
Daniel The ticket describes the problem I am having. I select a PDF, and Read opens it, but the pages are 0 and nothing else is shown. -j - Original Message From: Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jacob Haddon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Devel@lists.laptop.org Sent: Wednesday, August 6,

No joyride-weekly build yet; hopefully tomorrow.

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Stone
Charlie tested some Joyrides today but they suffered from a nasty bug (which was promptly fixed) that would have made them less than suitable for further testing. We'll try again tomorrow morning. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-06 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
First of all. I want to mention that when I first install a Joyride build, the initial state of the 'inhibit' flags (i.e., filenames) in /etc and /etc/ohm is not present -- that allows the XO to 'suspend'. Yet on the 'Power' sub-panel within the olpc 'Control Panel', the 'Automatic power

New joyride build 2265

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2265 Changes in build 2265 from build: 2264 Size delta: 0.00M -etoys 3.0.2068-1 +etoys 3.0.2076-1 +python-alsaaudio 0.3-1.fc9 --- Changes for etoys 3.0.2076-1 from 3.0.2068-1 --- + Pango is off by default. + Keep the screen depth

Re: suspend on 'idle'

2008-08-06 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:01 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More to the point, I perform a number of actions as part of installing a new build. Lately, if I forget to first set 'inhibit-idle-suspend', the XO is __suspending__ on me while performing downloads (via yum) of modules

New faster build 2265

2008-08-06 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build2265 Changes in build 2265 from build: 2263 Size delta: 0.00M +python-alsaaudio 0.3-1.fc9 -etoys 3.0.2068-1 +etoys 3.0.2076-1 --- Included python-alsaaudio version 0.3-1.fc9 --- --- Changes for etoys 3.0.2076-1 from 3.0.2068-1 --- +

Re: [Server-devel] Fwd: XS server addons

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 5:51 PM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I fail to see how an update will kill it. Shorewall works independently from iptables allowing its rules to work along side it... All the config files are in /etc/shorewall, which Im sure xs-config wont touch...

Re: [Server-devel] moodle and authentication

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
You can do that with a Moodle auth plugin that - gets the mac address from an arp lookup - saves the mac address in the idnumber field, avoids adding a db field it's a kludge but it'll get you going m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting

[Server-devel] EduBlog: Use Cases

2008-08-06 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi, I uploaded a couple of use cases on the wiki: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/EduBlog_Instructions#Use_Cases So far, things look to be working well locally and it gives a flavor of the new simplified UI. Still need to do final testing of the Write Upload. Comments are welcome, but please pardon

Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-06 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi Pablo, * I'm not sure how to manage users with EduBlog I think we should start a wiki page to start documenting (and discussing it). Volunteers? :-) I'm not sure the best way either. There are many many options. I thought the easiest

Re: [Server-devel] Setting up an XS with an AP

2008-08-06 Thread David Leeming
Martin et al. The settings using subnet 172.18.6.0 were advised to me by colleagues, and when I reset the subnet in dhcpd.conf to what comes up as default on install (172.18.0.0 etc) it is now working!!! So the only changes I made were to set the IP address for eth1 to 172.18.0.1 and the dhcp to

Re: [Server-devel] Setting up an XS with an AP

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 10:50 AM, David Leeming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The settings using subnet 172.18.6.0 were advised to me by colleagues, and when I reset the subnet in dhcpd.conf to what comes up as default on install (172.18.0.0 etc) it is now working!!! Good to hear. So the only

Re: [Server-devel] Odd python proc control / buffering behaviour - fakeroot bug

2008-08-06 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The real problem is that fakeroot on Fedora is not up to date - even on F9. I will follow that up in a separate email :-) So if you are using fakeroot on a Fedora machine, you have a nasty race condition right there in