Re: Major power concern

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/devices/battery.py #TODO: make this less of an wild/educated guess minutes_remaining = int(current_level / 0.59) remaining_hourpart =

Re: Joyride and 9.1 development

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, is joyride open for 9.1 development now? Also, should we start work on rebasing on F10? Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:50 PM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Read has serious memory problems because renders whole pages into memory, regardless of what is the viewed area. Any chance the first pages of the PDF you opened contained big images? Nope, it's a saved

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14:13PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in Uruguay

Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2

2008-10-07 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 4:13 AM, S Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On September 8th, Michael Stone wrote: Kim, Greg, and I have concluded that the instability we experience under memory-pressure in 8.2-759 and similar is the

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... 3) How do I share files to/from an XO? I just did this work

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I was in Uruguay more teachers asked me about issues with the Journal than

notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Carlo Falciola
Let's add Upload/Download from a website, too. Carlo Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison erik at laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison erik at laptop.org wrote: ... 3)

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 10:20:48AM -0400, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
and maybe a fourth: uploading/downloading files from the web. -walter On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Gary Oberbrunner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso

Re: [Server-devel] DanGuardian and XS Plans

2008-10-07 Thread John Watlington
On Oct 7, 2008, at 3:06 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:17 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In existing deployments (not trials) content filtering is being done upstream in the internet connection. Interesting! I didn't know that - Content filtering

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mikus wrote: - First off, every Activity has a 'Name Field' in its top menu. When running any Activity, the user should enter there a short Title to identify the resulting Journal entry from all others. - Then, upon

Joyride and 9.1 development

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
Hello, is joyride open for 9.1 development now? Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: 5 sec boot

2008-10-07 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Some comments: - some people have made arguments assuming that IO time is separable from CPU time. In the current hardware, we need to busy wait for IO in Linux (long story, ask dwmw2, basically the delay required by the hardware is short enough that it slows down IO by tenfold if we have to

Re: Major power concern

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 09:56:10AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:02 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /usr/share/sugar/shell/view/devices/battery.py #TODO: make this less of an wild/educated guess minutes_remaining =

I: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Carlo Falciola
Hi Eben, I had in mind the first case, in the sense that's definitely an entry/exit point of contents into/from the Sugar ecosystem. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I start to see those in/out interaction mainly at a formal transformation between two different spaces: the Journal

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am concerned that focusing on such systems is breaking simple use cases and causing problems for users in the field. I believe that this functionality is important, but do not agree that it should comprise the base layer

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Oct 7, 2008, at 7:20 AM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are we going to rectify the general slowness of our user interface? It may not be enough to work on the performance problem from within the

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to fully qualify names for their work. Doing so seems to lie outside of one of the core points of Sugar's design (There are no files, folders, or

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Bastien
Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to fully qualify names for their work. Doing so seems to lie outside of one of the core points of Sugar's

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:05:41PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How are we going to rectify the general slowness of our user interface? It may

Latest stable release?

2008-10-07 Thread Seth Woodworth
Hey everybody, I was looking at the [[Upgrading Firmware]] page today and I noticed that it was listing 711 as the latest stable release. It's transcluding the value: {{Latest_Releases/stable}}. The last editor was Cscott and before that Greg Smith. This is a really minor thing to update, is it

New joyride build 2511

2008-10-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2511 Changes in build 2511 from build: 2509 Size delta: 0.00M -gdb 6.8-21.fc9 +gdb 6.8-22.fc9 -hulahop 0.4.6-1.olpc3 +hulahop 0.4.6-2.olpc3 -xulrunner 1.9.0.2-1.olpc3 +xulrunner 1.9.0.2-2.olpc3 +xulrunner-python 1.9.0.2-2.olpc3

Volunteer Infrastructure Group meeting today, irc.oftc.net:#olpc-admin October 7, 2008 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT

2008-10-07 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Volunteer Infrastructure Group meeting today, irc.oftc.net:#olpc-admin October 7, 2008 5:15 pm EDT -04:00 UCT Agenda Need secretary Wiki and website scalability/mirroring -- deployments + G1G1 are coming! download.l.o scalability/mirroring Google, archive.org others? Lfaraone committee on

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:14:13PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:47 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 09:17:16AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at

Easy USB Install Sugar + g1g1 activities

2008-10-07 Thread Bastien
I've updated my page: http://lumiere.ens.fr/~guerry/olpc_install_sugar_activities_usb.php This now uses joyride-2511 and 767. The G1G1 activities are those listed on this page: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activities/G1G1 The script I run to build the zip files uses this directory for G1G1

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 11:20:04AM -0400, elana langer wrote: Hey Tech Community- I just wanted to give y'all some feedback from my experience in Mongolia. Feel free to contact me with any questions. Please excuse my lay

New joyride build 2512

2008-10-07 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2512 Changes in build 2512 from build: 2511 Size delta: 0.00M -hulahop 0.4.6-2.olpc3 +hulahop 0.4.6-4.olpc3 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread elana langer
Hey Gang - Please excuse my absence from this discussion - I think it's really cool how passionate you all are about what you are building. It's really obvious that you all care about what you are doing - I know your work will inspire a generation of kids in developing countries to be this

Acoustic Measure problems

2008-10-07 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 elana langer wrote: | a) In response to the question about the Mesh - there are a whole | bunch of issues that come up. -- to use acoustic measure only two | computers can be on at a time so it makes the tool almost impossible | to use in a class or

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread John Gilmore
Don't know where you have read that. The Journal is intended to give a better way to deal with the results of the interaction with the machine than a folders-based system inspired on office workers. Please quit making the kids the guinea-pig for somebody's untested pet theories about how to

Re: notes on Journal feedback (was Re: Bundle activity)

2008-10-07 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:59:23PM -0700, John Gilmore wrote: (This knowledge is becoming quite common in at least one of our deployments. Just yesterday a kid from Uruguay came into #olpc-ayuda to ask exactly how to do this. And this morning a user spontaneously wrote rm

Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-07 Thread Samuel Klein
This year's G1G1 program will start November 17 in the US. Please help us spread the word. Below is a short email blurb about this year's program ( from [[G1G1 2008/text]] ). We are coordinating some community art and outreach on the grassroots list as well

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Fully qualified names (file names) are simple. They are misused to the extent that users give things strange or confusing names. But, the names are qualified and the users can encounter their work simply by remembering most components of the name. The concept is straightforward: given this

Re: [Server-devel] [ejabberd] Memory use with SSL connections

2008-10-07 Thread Douglas Bagnall
This thread on the ejabberd list has detached itself from server-devel, so for the record I'll point to a couple of interesting messages: In http://lists.jabber.ru/pipermail/ejabberd/2008-October/004316.html, Evgeniy Khramtsov of ProcessOne writes: Douglas Bagnall wrote: Does ejabberd use a

Re: [sugar] Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?

2008-10-07 Thread Simon Schampijer
Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hey all, someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me which pygame version Sugar is currently using. Neither he nor I couldn't really find any information on it on [[Pygame]] or [[Software components]] or the more recent archives...

Re: [sugar] Which pygame version is Sugar currently used?

2008-10-07 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:55 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hey all, someone at university here is currently planning an activity and asked me which pygame version Sugar is currently using. Neither he nor I couldn't really find any information on

Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Tagging isn't as much of an issue as being able to save files to a USB key easily. I'm trying to think of why a kid would want to save files to a USB key. Normally, except for off-loading objects to a school repository (a process about which I know nothing), 'files' would be kept at the XO

Re: [sugar] Sugar USB testing

2008-10-07 Thread pgf
marco pesenti gritti wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CCing the Sugar list. and adding devel. It seems that one of the problems we will be encountering with generic spins is footprint. Even a standard Ubuntu without Sugar was seeming

Re: [Server-devel] DanGuardian and XS Plans

2008-10-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 4:17 AM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In existing deployments (not trials) content filtering is being done upstream in the internet connection. Interesting! I didn't know that - Content filtering is a very sensitive subject, and any offering made by OLPC

Re: [Server-devel] DanGuardian and XS Plans

2008-10-07 Thread Stefan Reitz
Hello List Just from my (not too recent) experience with the Birmingham deployment: There are two competing interests: - As long as the Board of Education (BoE) receives federal funds under the No Child Left Behind Act they are responsible for providing internet only in a filtered manner

Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread John Watlington
You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? Again, unless you have a 100 Mbit connection from the school to the upstream ISP, you will need something with a disk and a significant amount of memory present in the school. I don't

Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread Sameer Verma
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:00 PM, John Watlington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You keep pushing for centrally hosted school servers. Are you sure you don't work for the phone company ? Last time I checked, San Francisco State University wasn't in the telco business. Again, unless you have a 100

Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread Walter Bender
One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be stolen. But it does put the server in the hands of a presumably trusted individual in the

Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One idealet (not worthy of being called an idea): What if the server were a laptop that the teacher could take with him/her? Pros: The school need not be secure. Cons: Price, and of course, laptops can be stolen. But it

Re: [Server-devel] physical security issue

2008-10-07 Thread John Watlington
Actually, Walter, we still hold hope for XOs as school servers for very small schools.The problem with this is insufficient memory and insufficient disk space. While an external disk may alleviate the second problem, it has poor reliability and is a very attractive item for theft. But

Re: [Server-devel] Memory use with SSL connections

2008-10-07 Thread John Watlington
Until Sugar has a better model for collaboration, anything over about 500 users is moot. (Thanks for testing it all the way up to 2K users). The problem is that the laptop UI will try to show all the users on the server in the neighborhood view... Can you try to connect an XO to the server

Re: [Server-devel] XS testing

2008-10-07 Thread Tony Anderson
Thanks for your point about the 'headless' server. The install usb must ensure that ssh access from an XO is sufficient to complete the install process. As far as I know all of our installed servers will be headless. This means the first two 'tests' should be changed: 1. Reboot the server