Motivation behind recent selections of tickets marked blocks?:8.2.0?

2008-08-09 Thread Michael Stone
John, I've noticed you tagging lots of tickets over the last few days for consideration as 8.2.0 blockers. Some of your selections make good sense to me, like the GPL tickets (#4265), but others make less sense to me, like the debuginfo packages issue (#4264), the TurtleArt naming issue (#5941),

Re: Anyone seen this error when using sugar-launch?

2008-08-08 Thread Michael Stone
Here's the relevant part: File /usr/share/sugar/services/shell/activityregistryservice.py, line 90, in FindActivity if name.find(key) != -1 or bundle_id.find(key) != -1: UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128) The code in question

Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2230, valid until Wednesday, August 13. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Our specific interest this week

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 02:45:56PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2230, valid until Wednesday, August 13. Apologies for the text substitution failure. The correct build is, in fact, joyride-2263. Michael

How to be easy to work with.

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, I received some fantastic criticism yesterday from a security researcher named Steven Murdoch on what a crappy job I've been doing of providing outside security folks with the knowledge necessary to work alongside me. To begin to remedy this lack, I put together two wiki pages:

No joyride-weekly build yet; hopefully tomorrow.

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Stone
Charlie tested some Joyrides today but they suffered from a nasty bug (which was promptly fixed) that would have made them less than suitable for further testing. We'll try again tomorrow morning. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Test results on Joyride 2230?

2008-08-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:23:13AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi Gary, On question #1 you are welcome to try the daily build and comment on that. In fact, please do -- we love fresh results. The weekly joyride candidates are simply an advertising and coordination device created at Joe's (QA's)

Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-08-04 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, Bring your burning release questions tomorrow and your status updates on Wednesday at the usual time and place. Please reply to this thread in advance if you have specific issues you'd like to discuss. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing

Re: status of 8.1.1 and now 8.1.2 ?

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
8.1.2 may be used for the next G1G1 factory image but that's not final yet either. #6532 is a blocking bug against the next G1G1 release which is not fixed in 709. It is considered by G1G1 donors who have commented in that ticket to be NOT SUITABLE for mass distribution to G1G1. Michael

Re: Terminals

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 07:32:11PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | Is it possible that we could | simply have a P_ROOT permission as well, or does that blow Bitfrost out of | the water? 1. According to my reading of

Re: Terminals

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 03:03:24PM -0600, Jameson Chema Quinn wrote: As you can see, the present security difficulties stem from the lack of effort spent on recording user intentions about what permissions should be applied to what activities. Signatures do absolutely nothing to address this

Re: New joyride build 2246

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 11:50:59PM -0400, Build Announcer v2 wrote: http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2246 Changes in build 2246 from build: 2245 Size delta: 0.00M -rainbow 0.7.17-1.fc9 +rainbow 0.7.18-1.fc9 This build partially resolves the original #6797 issue but is

Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 04:42:58PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Scott and Michael raised the question of why we didn't build it as a .xo only project with no need for server. I explained the constraints of time and image in Uruguay and they understood that. There were less convinced that it should

Re: [Server-devel] Testing EduBlog

2008-08-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 12:45:24PM -0700, Carol Lerche wrote: Michael, how did you envision publishing a blog on the Internet without the use of a server? The kids are using the write activity to compose their posts. I'm confused by your comment. Carol, I'm sorry I confused you. I envisioned

Re: identifying which builds are signed

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 12:49:31AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I have a general question. I'm going to be helping some Ship.2 G1G1 users (without developer keys) to perform off-line-upgrades of their systems. Currently I have to data mine through the wiki to verify which builds are signed

Re: Terminals

2008-08-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 02:45:38PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: On 1 Aug 2008, at 03:25, Walter Bender wrote: Curious as to what occasions need root access within X Windows? Maybe the console is enough? That would work nicely for me, though it will work much less well for people who desire the

Kernel API Wishlist

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
Deepak, I don't think I'm going to be able to attend LPC but Chris suggested that I offer you some wishlist items in case you meet someone who would be interested in them. (I'm chipping away at them in my free time, but at that rate... :) Anyway, here's my grab-bag of items: a) The filesystem

Re: New joyride build 2232

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
Indeed. I did ask a while ago where the changelog entries actually should come from, and I got no reply AFAIR. The ones in the public_rpms dropboxes cover only a small portion of packages. The other place they come from is the RPM-level changelogs encoded in the spec file. rpmdev-diff + a bit

Re: identifying which builds are signed

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 09:01:24AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: You wrote, regarding nominated 8.2 builds: In a few weeks, once we're more confident in the sustainability and security of the build, then we'll publish an official candidate build with cryptographic signatures that mark it as

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:48:32PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:38 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trac default milestone is currently 8.2. Is that a good idea? We are trying to punt down the Sugar 8.2 bugs, but with these default the list keep

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 06:53:26PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 2:52 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also I'm not convinced not specified as default component is a good idea, unless we have someone taking care of triaging that component. Can we go

Re: Trac default milestone

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 08:21:23PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Because I'm not confident someone will regularly take care of assigning the not-specified tickets, and I don't want lose useful bug reports because of that. I've been reading all the coming in tickets in the last few

Please help test our new weekly test build!

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
We are thrilled to announce a new joyride-weekly test image, joyride-2230, valid until Wednesday, August 6. Please help test it according to the detailed instructions at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Friends_in_testing while we still have time to fix issues you might find! Our specific interest

Terminals

2008-07-31 Thread Michael Stone
One of our present security difficulties is that the Terminal activity is not isolated. It is de-isolated so that it can serve the dual role of root terminal and 'general exploration' terminal. Perhaps reviving the Quake Terminal for the root-terminal role and isolating the Terminal activity

Re: Notes from today's Release Meeting(s)

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:49:23PM -0700, S Page wrote: Michael Stone wrote: 5. Separately, I wish we were receiving even more volunteer testing. Can you help out? Fame, glory, and the undying gratitude of hundreds of thousands of children await you! Background: I'm just a G1G1. I don't

Re: specifying what services Activities may use

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:03:41AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Hi Daniel, We need a list of anything that might break an activity. The list of things that have to work in order for an activity (particularly a networked one) to work is larger than the memory and comprehension of any individual

Re: [sugar] Random observations with joyride-2225 and latest activities

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 03:05:18PM -0400, Daniel Drake wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-29 at 09:32 +0200, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: a) Record: using v56 the activity starts up fine, the display shows whatever the camera is capturing, I can go into fullscreen-mode, switch to different tabs, etc.

Re: Newer ds-backup-client RPMs for joyride...

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
Martin, When releasing ds-backup revisions, please update documentation like http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Ds-backup Sorry that I forgot as well! Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Collaboration Requirements

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 05:21:34PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: This is my first somewhat rigorous requirements definition for OLPC so comments on style as well as substance are welcome. This feels very similar to an RFC. Take a look at RFC 2223 Instructions to RFC Authors and think about whether you

joyride-weekly: joyride-2230

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, This week's 'please test this joyride' is joyride-2230. Test group release notes, care of Charlie, are available at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Test_Group_Release_Notes#Build_Joyride_2230 I'll push this announcement out further as discussed in last night's email as soon as I'm

Notes from today's Release Meeting(s)

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Stone
1. We're going to begin nominating this week's 'joyride-weekly' tomorrow at 0900 EDT. If you have risky changes you want to contribute, please provide them _after_ we deliver our nomination. If you want to help more peoples' changes make the deadline, then please help smoke-test joyrides built

State of 8.2.0, July 29, 2008

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Stone
Note: I took a quick pass over the current blocks:8.2.0 tickets. I have not revisited the other tickets since last week. Finally, if you're working on tickets on this list, please ensure that they are fully updated BEFORE tomorrow's status meeting. In particular, feel free to fold comments from

Re: Notes from today's Release Meeting(s)

2008-07-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 09:32:42PM -0400, Ton van Overbeek wrote: I (just an interested G1G1 owner for my grandson with a Solaris/Unix/Linux background) would love to help testing, but you are not making it very easy. What would make it easier for you? I gather that having the nominated

Re: Power management testing, which build

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
Please help test joyride-2200. We'll announce a new weekly joyride on Wednesday afternoon on this list. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Fwd: Software ECO - OFW q2d17, per703-7, en708-2

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:46:18PM -0400, Joseph A. Feinstein wrote: Kim, On the laptop where I installed Joyride 2200, I have OFW Q2D16. At this time it's not known whether it came with the build or it's a leftover from a previous (build 708) installation. Michael Stone will investigate

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 08:56:47PM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: But should it be up to the Activity developers (or in this case, those who first fitted the software to Sugar) to keep supporting their submission as the Sugar/operating_system platform keeps evolving ? Who else would you propose?

Re: TuxPaint woes

2008-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:26:28PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the obvious answers are that we need to commit to some level of continuing support for activities, What notion of support would you suggest? that we support the activities ourselves, As above. or that we need to provide an

Evil code-sharing hacks?

2008-07-26 Thread Michael Stone
Here is a fun and amusing easy weekend project for an enterprising activity author: Implement a code sharing demo as follows: 1. stub out a collaborative RemoteControl activity (perhaps based on Chat, Xavier, or Distribute)... 2. which, when started fresh, asks you to select an

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
Apologies for the immediate self-reply, but Marco pointed out to me that I left out one important piece of context: All of the issues I raise above were selected, in part, because I believe that they are incrementally fixable. Some require adjustments to underlying technologies, some require

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:56:39AM -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: On another note, should we look into Google's protobufs (http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/) to be used as structures to be passed in inter-process calls? While I'm convinced that protocol buffers and their

Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-21 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, We should meet tomorrow to discuss release questions and on Wednesday to discuss tickets. I will arrive fifteen minutes early for each of these meetings to finalize the agenda for each; however, here are some tentative items: - For TUESDAY: *

Re: URL and Integration

2008-07-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:31:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On the other hand, maybe what we need more is a forum space. You do realize that both forum.laptop.org and the OLPCNews forum have been up and running for months (years?) with thousands of replies? Michael

Re: running speech-dispatcher as non-root using setuid on XO and accompanying security issues

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 05:21:57PM +0530, Hemant Goyal wrote: The corresponding strace outputs are : open(/var/log//speechd.log, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_APPEND, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) open(/var/log//espeak.log, O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0600) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) Your

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 09:10:56AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: Who can gather the consensus and take responsibility for updating the wiki if needed? No one can, yet, because there's a real argument going on between the people who have to live with the versioning scheme on the infrastructure and

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 01:16:51PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: *** Salient quotes: Each activity.info file must have a activity_version key. The version is a single positive integer. Larger versions are considered newer. The value assigned to this key should be considered opaque to the activity;

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
I fail to see what makes the XO case different from the rest of the software world - from the pages you link I agree that the pages I cited presuppose that you understand how our requirements differ from those of the rest of the world. Some specific examples: - Our users often can't make

Re: Video Chat

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 07:10:23PM -0400, Ricardo Carrano wrote: I am trying to further investigate this, but I am confused on what exactly was used on the test. Would you recall what exactly is the build that Joe is testing? http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/custom/g1g1/en-708-1/ seems to me to

Re: [sugar] Activity versioning schema

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:15:07AM +1200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For these reasons, in my humble opinion, choosing our software packaging format and guidelines (of which version numbering is but a single aspect

Re: Text To Speech issues with Read Etexts Activity

2008-07-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 09:06:02AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: Michael, The activity logs contain no clues. Really no message at all. The Activity window is present but non-responsive. You can switch to the main screen using F3 (the XO equivalent activity-switching key) but you cannot

Re: B4 motherboard question

2008-07-15 Thread Michael Stone
I really wish that people receiving developer machines posted to devel or planet.laptop.org on a regular basis and, if possible, introduced themselves on our Profiles page. Do you think we could try to arrange this? Michael ___ Devel mailing list

Trac 'next-action' updates.

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
Chris and I added options for 'review' and 'qa signoff' to the 'next-action' Trac field. We dropped the 'signoff' option since people were confused about how to use it. Finally, we slightly reordered the actions to better reflect the order than most tickets will progress through them in. Are

Re: Activity versioning schema

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
Otherwise how can we reasonable sort/group the activities in any way that makes sense? I suggested one (stupidly slow, but very general) approach based on the Travelling Salesman problem. To recap: Regard all activities as nodes in a fully connected graph. Let activities state that they are

Re: User-visible Fedora 9 features

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
From my perspective, the user-visible and developer-visible feature is that, with root authority, you can install RECENT software which is available in Fedora. This really matters for G1G1 people and for our ability to attract Fedora contributors. The OLPC-visible feature is that nobody is

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
As I have suggested before, I think that these sorts of checks also matter enourmously to the quality of user experience that we'll be able to provide when we start seriously attempting to provide 'easy code sharing' features. Michael ___ Devel mailing

Re: LZO support

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 11:51:20PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 9:00 PM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a partially finished ZLIB decompression code as well. mstone just told me that time that we will use LZO so that effort was moot... Currently I cannot

Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, We should meet tomorrow to discuss release questions and on Wednesday to discuss tickets. I will arrive fifteen minutes early for each of these meetings to finalize the agenda for each; however, here are some tentative items: - For TUESDAY: ===

Re: Text To Speech issues with Read Etexts Activity

2008-07-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 10:46:57AM -0500, James Simmons wrote: ...but after I stop Speech I can't get it to start up again. Do the activity logs contain any clues? Worse, it generally hangs the Activity so I need to reboot the XO to quit the Activity. Is the activity window still present but

Re: State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 10:22:50AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 6:11 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis recently made us an 8.2 release build stream. For the time being, you're all doing a great job providing good fixes, so Dennis

Re: Activity Backward Compatibility (was re: Re: joyride 2128 smoketest)

2008-07-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 06:56:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: We should definitely have backward compatibility for activities! Your desire to maintain backwards compatibility for activities is a worthy goal but you need to be aware that there remain several areas in which we will likely break

State of 8.2.0, July 12, 2008

2008-07-12 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, Here's a brief overview of the status of the 8.2.0 release process. (Notes: I apologize in advance that I was not able to make this overview more succinct or better organized. I hope that these issues will resolve themselves as we come to share a greater understanding of the actual

olpc-netutils ds-backup-client

2008-07-12 Thread Michael Stone
Dennis, Please make sure that these packages stay in the next 8.2.0 builds. olpc-netutils is critical for all sorts of testing and ds-backup-client provides a major 8.2.0 feature; namely, datastore backup and restore. Also, please let me know if you think either is appropriate for inclusion in

Release status report delayed.

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, My present release status report isn't complete yet, so I'll send it tomorrow when I'm satisfied with it. Sorry for the delay! Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: joyride 2128 smoketest

2008-07-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 02:35:23PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 10:53:20AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Here are several problems you might think about: 1) We'd like people to be able to package activities on a wide variety of systems including on Windows

Re: 8.2.0 Release Notes

2008-07-09 Thread Michael Stone
Specifically, the http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_8.2.0_Software_Release_Notes page. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Home View appearance

2008-07-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 12:55:25PM +0200, NoiseEHC wrote: I am not sure if this bug is in joyride. Since my XO cannot connect to my WPA router easily Do I correctly understand that 1. You CAN connect to your WPA router easily from 708 2. You CANNOT connect to your WPA router easily from

Re: 8.2.0 Release Notes

2008-07-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 09:57:17AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: Would anyone complain if I made some minor organizational changes? It makes more sense to me to have wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes (which we already have) link to (wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/release). Go for it. PS.

How to improve the state of the touchpad for August.

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
Greg, Touchpad bug summary, as of May: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-May/013580.html Suggestions: * There's no release contract material ready here yet -- people are optimistic that they will be able to improve the user experience of the touchpad but no one wants to be

Re: Introduction to `picker' and git link

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
Riccardo, Your graphs would be more helpful if they gave more information about exactly which processes were running. python (pid) doesn't really tell me what's going on. Perhaps you could modify the display so that each track is prominently labeled with the full arguments to the process?

Log Activity log posting.

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
It appears that logs posted in the Log Activity go, by default, to olpc.scheffers.net/olpc/submit.tcl Pascal - can you provide access to these logs? Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Fedora Coordination

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, The inimitable Greg DeKoenigsberg just landed a whopper on fedora-devel-list@: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg00433.html which is quite worthy of your questions and follow-ups. The folks replying to that thread are masters of the Fedora technologies and

Re: Init for the customization key

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 03:50:51AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: Hi Michael, Just to confirm - the init file for the customization key is at http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=users/mstone/irfs-udebs;a=blob;f=src-olpc/init right ? Actually, it's in users/cscott/olpcrd-rootskel. Also, is there

Incidental notes.

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
I worked on a couple of things over the weekend that may be of interest to random passers-by. They include: * new rainbow ('cli' branch of users/mstone/security) and nss-rainbow source code which lets you use rainbow from the command line and which permits rainbow to add accounts to the

Puritan F-9-based builds.

2008-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 08:55:48PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 08:40:36PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: * updates to the puritan UI and the f9 compilation which make combine to deliver a bootable image. (As of this instant, you'll need to start X manually with olpc

Re: (another) WebKit port of Browse

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 05:56:05PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: (mstone reports that 'yum install firefox' and 'firefox' is a decent basis for comparison, although we can tweak firefox's configuration and package it as an RPM to get a nicer sugar lookfeel if we really wanted to pursue this

Reminder: Tuesday Release Wednesday Software Meetings -- 2:00 PM EDT, #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org

2008-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
We should meet to discuss our release at a high level (procedures, resources) and at a low level (tickets). This week, we will meet at our regular places and times -- 2:00 PM EDT on Tuesday (high-level) and Wednesday (low-level) in #olpc-meeting on irc.freenode.org for these meetings. Please

Seamless Lessons Security (commentary)

2008-07-06 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jul 04, 2008 at 07:20:39PM +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: We need a way to seamlessly integrate supporting materials such as readings, lesson plans, together with activities. HTML is the way to do this and the browser is what we use to display html. URI's are what we use to link to

Re: Freezing features this week.

2008-07-05 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 05, 2008 at 04:37:40PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 02:13, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) in Joyride by the end of the week, [1] b) documented in a release contract in [2] My feature in #6298 for Sugar to accept 1-1 XMPP chats and show

Software Status Meeting Today (Wednesday) @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Stone
Dear friends, Please join me at the usual time and place to suggest bugs you think should be marked 'blocks:8.2.0' and to inform me of your perceptions of the current 'hot spots' in joyride. Thanks, Michael ___ Devel mailing list

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 08:05:46AM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: 3. Why do we care whether there's a devkey? We would actually be better off checking that all the RPMs we're installing are owned by uid 0, this being the exact privilege that we're attempting to safeguard. because

Freezing features this week.

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Stone
ear world, We're FREEZING OUR FEATURE-SET THIS WEEK, which means that features targeted at the 8.2.0 release should be IN A JOYRIDE BUILD BY THIS SUNDAY, JULY 6TH. If the outlines of your feature aren't a) in Joyride by the end of the week, [1] b) documented in a release contract in [2]

Re: [Server-devel] [PATCH] postprocess.py gets _actually_ fleshed out- and incrontab tweaks

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 03:11:48PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +datestamp = subprocess.Popen(['date', '-u', '+%Y-%m-%d_%H:%M'],stdout=PIPE + ).communicate()[0] +# comes with newline - rstrip() will chomp it +datestamp = datestamp.rstrip() A common Python

Release Status Meeting - 8.2.0 - Tomorrow, 2:00 PM EDT, various venues

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
As discussed last week, we are meeting publicly from 2 - 4PM EDT (1600-1800 UTC), tomorrow, Tuesday July 1, to discuss the release plan for 8.2.0. The meeting will be held in the Boardroom at 1CC, on Line #2 (from the United States: 866-213-2185 access code: 1671650#), and on irc.freenode.org in

Re: [PATCH] Install customization packages left for us by a USB key.

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 04:58:33PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: + yum -yt --nogpgcheck install $pkgs 1. As an earlier commenter hinted, you want localinstall because otherwise yum may try to talk to the network in order to download its header cache and to look for

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 01:09:58PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: Yes, exactly: olpc-update has been designed so that the need for those scripts is *zero*. You get a clean install every time, guaranteed. Care to explain the existence and functioning of olpc-configure? Michael

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:31:36AM -0400, Edgar Ceballos wrote: Michael: The instructions on the Wiki are not very clear. I want to be able to accomplish two things with the 230 laptops for the Marina Orth school: 1- Upgrade image from 623 to 703 2- Install all the extra

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:19:09PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Care to explain the existence and functioning of olpc-configure? olpc-configure exists because /home/olpc is not managed by olpc-update, and to do things

Re: Parallel desktops

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Oh obviously you also need to change back /etc/X11/prefdm to run gdm. It wouldn't hurt us much to bias prefdm so that it runs gdm if it exists and our stuff otherwise. Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org

Re: Testing branch and actions

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:24:22PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Hello, Tomeu has a good question: Can we close a ticket once we have verified it's fixed in joyride and we don't have yet stable builds for 8.2.0? No, because fixing the issue in joyride does fix the issue for our

Re: OLPC-Update + RPMs WAS:Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 02:50:34PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: Existing package managers (e.g. apt, rpm) do exactly what we want and more. Furthermore they are extensively tested and well documented. Why have we locally manufactured and promoted the square wheels of olpc-update and

Translation Technology

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Yesterday, Sayamindu, Jim, Chris, Eben, Dennis, and I met to discuss what technology we could provide to improve the experience of producing and consuming translations and other localization data on the XO. We sought to address three questions: 1) How can we make some (then every) string

Re: [SURVEY] builders, how do you build? what do you build?

2008-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 05:23:44PM -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: 0) Who are you and who do you directly work for? Michael Stone, and Kim Quirk, respectively. 1) What do you build? Typically, rainbow, olpc-utils, puritan, and full OS builds. Occasionally, other things like sugar, X, xulrunner

Re: OLPC config in salut in F9?

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 05:01:04PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: I asked Dennis about branching salut, and he recommended we try keep everything in F-9 if possible. Is it feasible to put the rainbow specific patches in such that they are enabled with a runtime option, if built with

Re: Activity home dirs (was Re: OLPC XO Opera browser as Sugar activity)

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 08:53:47AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 26.06.2008 um 01:22 schrieb John Gilmore: The activity start script should configure Opera to put its configuration file in $SUGAR_ACTIVITY_ROOT/data instead of $HOME/.opera. Also it should set umask to 0002 so the

Re: FW: Fundacion Marina Orth - Upgrade to image 703

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Edgar, According to the release notes: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_8.1.0_Software_Release_Notes official-703 is a reference OS release which contains no activities. Luis needs to follow the instructions in that page to install activities or he needs to install a derivative build such as

Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Dear world, In yesterday's software status meeting, we formulated some conventions for using Trac for the next few months. They are: 1. The release team - presently including me, Greg Smith, and Kim Quirk will occasionally tag a ticket as 'blocks:8.2.0' to indicate that it blocks the 8.2.0

Re: Trac Usage Conventions

2008-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 01:31:24AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4. People should indicate the release they _wish_ that changes would land in via the Milestone field. I tend to think the Milestone should be set

Re: SuperUser permission for the Driver??

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Stone
We have an activity that wants superuser privilege in order to poke kernel memory. The real questions we should be attempting to address here include: * Who is granting privilege to this activity? * How are they doing so? * How should we record the decision? - My tentative answer is

Rebuilt Rainbow olpc-utils

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Dennis devel, I rebuilt rainbow olpc-utils. olpc-utils underwent a relatively exciting merge wherein I combined patches from several contributors. I've diffed the resulting RPM against olpc-utils-0.73.2 and I think it will work, but I haven't tested it yet. Also, I built rainbow in F-9

Software Status Meeting Today (Wednesday) @ 1400 EDT, 1800 UTC in #olpc-meeting on freenode

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Stone
Dear friends, Let's welcome Scott home from his vacation by describing all the easy bugs that we squashed in his absence and all the really nasty bugs that we couldn't solve without him. Michael P.S. - We're going to start regular release status meetings in addition to the Wednesday development

OLPC Packaging Wishlist

2008-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
Dear OLPC Fedora folk: In response to conversation at Fudcon, I've thrown up OLPC's packaging wishlist at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/WishList#OLPC_Wishlist OLPC folks: please check to make sure that your work is listed. Also, please assist Fedora volunteers in any way

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