Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-05 Thread Walter Bender
I would like to see the link for requesting a developer key made much more prominent in the library. I'd like to see the pathname to downloading the key itself much more prominent (and displayed in a larger point size) on the webpage returned after the request is granted. For those of us with

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-05 Thread Kim Quirk
The two issues that I am concerned about regarding the write protect flag with regards to G1G1: 1 - I thought requiring signed images was part of our bitfrost security. Doesn't it provide some protection from malicious images? Assuming we get to the point where upgrading is an easy click from the

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-05 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler
Kim Quirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] Finally, I agree with Scott, that the easiest thing we can do in the short term is to make the 'get a developer key' more prominent for those who want to find it. [...] Taking away the 24 hour delay between key request and response could help solve

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-05 Thread david
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Kim Quirk wrote: 1 - I thought requiring signed images was part of our bitfrost security. Doesn't it provide some protection from malicious images? Assuming we get to the point where upgrading is an easy click from the G1G1 machine, then we want to be sure that people

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-04 Thread Paul Fox
SJ wrote: I continue to be uncomfortable that we are sending out restricted / locked-down machines without a clear need. The arguments made so far for this are 1. Getting G1G1 people to test security steps 2. Protecting G1G1 donors from installing anything but signed builds 3.

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-04 Thread reynt0
On Tue, 3 Jun 2008, C. Scott Ananian wrote: . . . The original reason is that it allowed our G1G1 users to more fully exercise/test our secure boot paths, which are used in our deployment countries. This helps G1G1 users be more representative testers, and . . . I'm a G2G2. Among my

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:15 AM, Paul Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SJ wrote: I continue to be uncomfortable that we are sending out restricted / locked-down machines without a clear need. The arguments made so far for this are 1. Getting G1G1 people to test security steps 2.

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-04 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 9:20 PM, reynt0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also want to be able to examine the XO as thoroughly as possible from my own (USA, educated, experienced, and so on) perspective. In that regard, FWIW I found the various infos I later could find from olpc a bit unclear or even

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM, ffm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why were G1G1 machines shipped with firmware, kernel, and reflash locks enabled? (see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Developer_keys ) Theft is not a good reason, as they do not require activation leases. It only seems to be a bother

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03.06.2008, at 18:33, ffm wrote: On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Machines sent out via our developer program are always shipped out unsecured. Yet I've just recived two

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread ffm
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Machines sent out via our developer program are always shipped out unsecured. Yet I've just recived two laptops via said program that had security enabled. -FFM ___ Devel

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread Kim Quirk
Developer program laptops are shipped out as US/International keyboards, English language, AK flag set, which means they do NOT need activation. They are permanently activated in the manufacturing data. The only thing they need to be a developer unit is a developer key. One more reason to add to

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread Samuel Klein
I continue to be uncomfortable that we are sending out restricted / locked-down machines without a clear need. The arguments made so far for this are 1. Getting G1G1 people to test security steps 2. Protecting G1G1 donors from installing anything but signed builds 3. Showing a pretty boot

Re: [OLPC Security] G1G1: Security, to enable or disable...

2008-06-03 Thread Michael Stone
Shipping G1G1 machines with NAND reflash locks enabled makes little sense to me. What good is protection against malicious reflash when any attacker who can perform a reflash has physical access to the device and has password-free root access in default configurations? Instead, the justification