Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-11 Thread Morgan Collett
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 19:05, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Michael pointed out, there are few people at OLPC who understand and enjoy telepathy. I think this is an understatement. Personally, I think that Collabora was very pressed to get something working on the

On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Tomeu and Marco, For the history, both me and another student from MIT tried to implement a connection manager back in January but gave up after a couple of weeks, even with significant help from Daf. We don't claim to be expert python programmers, but spending two weeks on something and still

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack | comes along, telepathy won't be hardcoded in sugar. This mainly |

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack | comes along, telepathy won't be hardcoded in sugar. This mainly | involves

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there is a clear | | abstraction from telepathy so that _if_ a better collaboration stack

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Like Michael pointed out, there are few people at OLPC who understand and enjoy telepathy. I think this is an understatement. Personally, I think that Collabora was very pressed to get something working on the laptop and the resulting presence stack looks like one hack on top of another. For

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Ricardo Carrano
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: | Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | | 2) Make provision in both sugar and activities so that there

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Michael pointed out, there are few people at OLPC who understand and enjoy telepathy. I think this is an understatement. Personally, I think that Collabora was very pressed to get something working on the

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * The abstraction layer needs to be accessible to non-python activities. Unless you want to expose it through DBus, you will have

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
Ricardo Carrano wrote: We need Jabber to be working too. For the infra scenario in the schools to work. But if we consider Cerebro an important part of our future (at least I do) we should dedicate more attention to it. I don't know about the arrangements between OLPC and Collabora. It seems

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Kim Quirk
We are discussing this and the best use of resources to get to 8.2.0 and beyond. There will be many more discussions. I would like to figure out how to make progress on cerebro. Kim On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Robert McQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ricardo Carrano wrote: We need

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
Ricardo Carrano wrote: On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: | I thought we were talking about collaboration. MSN, IRC etc are | basically chat protocols. Cerebro has little to do with such protocols; | its goal is

Re: On Cerebro, Telepathy, yokes and whites (was Re: cerebro in sugar)

2008-06-10 Thread Robert McQueen
C. Scott Ananian wrote: I've got a concrete non-technical objection: kids at gamejams invariably want to write a multiplayer game. Almost none succeed. This tells me we need a better collaboration API. You can argue that this simple API should be *on top* of the lower-level telepathy (or