Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000 packages. The Apple app store adds that many new apps every week it seems. Why

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Peter Robinson
Furthermore, the App Store has strong incentives to update and release new software constantly.  Each new app is placed into a 'new app' view that encourages installation of new apps.  It extends their marketing beyond keyterm search and apple's ranking/voting system (which has problems with

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Seth Woodworth s...@isforinsects.com wrote: Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Seth Woodworth

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-10 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Dec 07, 2009 at 07:13:33PM -0500, Reuben K. Caron wrote: In the sugar environment we have the great resource of activities.sugarlabs.org that children can browse through to add new activities. However, on the Gnome side of things we only have the yum terminal commands. While I

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Neil Graham
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 02:55 -0500, Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000 packages. The Apple app store adds that many new apps every week it seems. Why aren't there 5 million packages available

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 11:17 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: Good thing we reinvented the wheel here.  RPM packaging was too complete and flexible for kids or teachers (or school administrators). I had the same gripe, and then talkedemailed with Seth Vidal and RPM devs. The answer is

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/12/8 Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org: -Should we include gnome-packagekit to provide such functionality? -Or would including it increase the complexities of managing deployments? One disadvantage of doing this is

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:54 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: 2009/12/8 Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org: -Should we include gnome-packagekit to provide such functionality? -Or would including it increase the complexities of

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000 packages. The Apple app store adds that many new apps every week it seems. Why aren't there 5 million packages available instead of just 5000? Money. The

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-09 Thread Seth Woodworth
Walter Bender wrote: Slightly off topic, but reading between the lines, it seems there is something more fundamentally broken here. 5000 packages. The Apple app store adds that many new apps every week it seems. Why aren't there 5 million packages available instead of just 5000? Benjamin M.

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread Daniel Drake
2009/12/8 Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org: -Should we include gnome-packagekit to provide such functionality? -Or would including it increase the complexities of managing deployments? One disadvantage of doing this is that it would harm the use of olpc-update -- pristine updates would fail.

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread Reuben K. Caron
On Dec 8, 2009, at 4:52 AM, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/12/8 Reuben K. Caron reu...@laptop.org: -Should we include gnome-packagekit to provide such functionality? -Or would including it increase the complexities of managing deployments? One disadvantage of doing this is that it would harm the

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread Reuben K. Caron
Neil, Thanks for bringing this up. It looks like this could be of some value to deployments and something they could easily add should they choose to customize their build image. Keep up the good work and let us know how development is going. Regards, Reuben On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:54 PM,

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread John Gilmore
One disadvantage of doing this is that it would harm the use of olpc-update -- pristine updates would fail. And also the software would be silently lost when an olpc-update happens, which is now Good thing we reinvented the wheel here. RPM packaging was too complete and flexible for kids

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Dec 08, 2009 at 02:17:10PM -0800, John Gilmore wrote: One disadvantage of doing this is that it would harm the use of olpc-update -- pristine updates would fail. And also the software would be silently lost when an olpc-update happens, which is now Good thing we reinvented the

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-08 Thread Walter Bender
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 5:17 PM, John Gilmore g...@toad.com wrote: One disadvantage of doing this is that it would harm the use of olpc-update -- pristine updates would fail. And also the software would be silently lost when an olpc-update happens, which is now Good thing we reinvented the

Re: 1.5 - gnome-packagekit?

2009-12-07 Thread Neil Graham
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 19:13 -0500, Reuben K. Caron wrote: Since .XO and .XOL bundles were specifically designed to be safe for installation and removal, I'm concerned the inclusion of gnome- packagekit would allow one to more easily break their installation but I also think it would be