Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-22 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 07/21/2012 12:53 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: I'm sorry but I did not run any bg-acr! commands except the one you suggested. The only command that I run outside your suggestions is bg-acr@ .bg-acr with no batman.fth/batman-start first, which certainly can not account for the erratic

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-22 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Sun, 7/22/12, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: Actually I believe it is worth the trouble because there is never just a single problem that doesn't happen to another machine.  If you have this failure then there are probably many more.  Its just never been reported. I'm

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-22 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 07/22/2012 04:29 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: As I said before, the problem needs an engineer if it is to be investigated any further, and I'm not. You are welcome to the battery. Ok. Well then please send me the battery. Richard Smith One Laptop per Child 222 3rd St. STE 0234

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-21 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Thu, 7/19/12, Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: - Boot the XO. Sugar or OFW either will work. - Run on battery and allow the battery to discharge until is says its 90% - Connect power and let the battery charge to full. - Reboot XO and stop at OFW. - ok batman-start

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-21 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 07/21/2012 03:05 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: - ok bg-acr@ .bg-acr (Should print zero) ACR: -0.42 Hmm... I was expecting zero. I'm traveling to Taiwan right now and don't have 1.0 or 1.5 with me to check. - Insert battery - ok bg-acr@ .bg-acr ACR: -0.84 .42mAh / 24 hours =

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-21 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Sat, 7/21/12, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: Yes and I'll continue to say it as long as you continue to do things that are invalid and will produce nonsensical results.  I've told you a few times that when you run commands like bg-acr! that you are modifying important

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-19 Thread Richard Smith
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: At which point exactly the - insert battery step goes between - Remove battery and - ok bg-acr@ .bg-acr ? Ooops. That's kind of important. Sorry. Updated list below. You need to insert the battery after you

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-18 Thread Richard Smith
On an XO-1 The reading is -4610.42 (!?) Its a 2's compliment number. Negative values are normal. But you need more than 1 reading. A single reading of the ACR doesn't tell you anything unless you reset it to a known value before you start. Reboot to Sugar and got very little battery At no

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-18 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Wed, 7/18/12, Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: - Start with the XO in a clean working condition. ie remove all power and battery. - Boot the XO. Sugar or OFW either will work. - Run on battery and allow the battery to discharge until is says its 90% - Connect power and

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-16 Thread Richard Smith
1) Connect XO 1 or 1.5 to external power. 2) Boot the machine and stop at the open firmware prompt 3) Allow battery to charge up up until full. 4) print out the ACR with: ok bg-acr@ .bg-acr 5) remove battery 6) record the printed ACR number somewhere 7) Note time of battery removal 8)

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-07-13 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 07/04/2012 12:20 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: 0 bg-acr! solved the problem of the erratic reading. Logs look more reasonable now (though there is still a sudden jump from 87 to 96% during charging in one log. Thats normal. There isn't any calibration of the capacity as the capacity

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-29 Thread Richard Smith
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:19 AM, Mikus Grinbergs mi...@bga.com wrote: DISCLAIMER:  I am not asking for help; I'm merely sharing my experiences I have an XO-1 which with recent q2f roms might boot up with the power light green, or might boot up with the power light blinking red (and the

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-28 Thread Richard Smith
After that test, I run bat-recover once more I noticed several strange things. Running bat-recover is unnecessary and for your battery basically useless. Also bat-recover runs outside of normal battery processing so your SoC values (the %) may be invalid until you do a full discharge or

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-28 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
DISCLAIMER: I am not asking for help; I'm merely sharing my experiences I have an XO-1 which with recent q2f roms might boot up with the power light green, or might boot up with the power light blinking red (and the battery icon in Frame claiming not connected). The last time it booted up

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-16 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 06/12/2012 12:26 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: OK Attached are the screenlogs from the serial output screenlog.charging is yesterdays log whith half full to fully charged battery 2339275:LDACR Update request ACR:-19791 LDACR:-19792 2339471:GC_LDACR=-19792 SOC = 58 2470692:LDACR Update

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-13 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
Could you please do another test, to verify that screen is not configuring the serial port any differently with or without ,n,8,1. You don't need to connect the two laptops together, just use the one you use as the serial terminal.  The test uses the stty program to display the serial

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-13 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:07:44PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: James wrote: Could you please do another test, to verify that screen is not configuring the serial port any differently with or without ,n,8,1. You don't need to connect the two laptops together, just use the one you

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-13 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
You can reduce the chance of contact noise derailing the transmission by connecting the two laptops in a specific order: or maybe adding ,n,8,1 in the command ?... (I still think is a good idea to add it in the wiki. Even with the notion that although not necessary may reduce unexpected

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-13 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:16:13AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: You can reduce the chance of contact noise derailing the transmission by connecting the two laptops in a specific order: or maybe adding ,n,8,1 in the command ?... No, that will make no difference. (I still

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-12 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
  Perhaps your comm settings are wrong?  115200,n,8,1 is what they should be set to.  That did the trick (thus my change in the wiki) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-12 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:17:06PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: ? Perhaps your comm settings are wrong?? 115200,n,8,1 is what they should be set to.? That did the trick (thus my change in the wiki) I think it was coincidence. Please try without it. -- James Cameron

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-12 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
? Perhaps your comm settings are wrong?? 115200,n,8,1 is what they should be set to.? That did the trick (thus my change in the wiki) I think it was coincidence.  Please try without it. At least in my setting ie XO-1.75 embedded keyboard model with the problem battery and the

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-12 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
From: Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org To: devel@lists.laptop.org Subject: Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4] Message-ID: 4fd5e76c.3010...@laptop.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed On 06/10/2012 01:07 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote

Re: Re: XO battery/performance[ Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 21]

2012-06-12 Thread James Cameron
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 09:15:48AM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: ? Perhaps your comm settings are wrong?? 115200,n,8,1 is what they should be set to.? That did the trick (thus my change in the wiki) I think it was coincidence.?? Please try without it. At least in

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-11 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 06/10/2012 01:07 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Took some time and a lot of juggling and ended up to a lot of questionmarks in black diamonds so I do not really know if I did it right or wrong, but here is the screen log just the same. You may or may not have done anything wrong but the

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-11 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 08:41:16AM -0400, Richard A. Smith wrote: On 06/10/2012 01:07 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Took some time and a lot of juggling and ended up to a lot of questionmarks in black diamonds so I do not really know if I did it right or wrong, but here is the screen log

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-10 Thread James Cameron
On Sat, Jun 09, 2012 at 10:07:36PM -0700, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Also I had a hard time detaching from the screen. Maybe the wiki page needs some clarification. What C-a means? Capital C, dash, a 3 consecutive characters? ctrl+a? shift-c-a keys together? other? C-a means ctrl+a, that

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-09 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Sun, 6/3/12, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: From: Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org Subject: Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4] To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Sunday, June 3, 2012, 8:41 AM On 06/03

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-03 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 06/03/2012 04:43 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: serial connector loaded. Its the connector under the heat spreader. There goes my new XO-1.75... Think of it a a rite of passage. Just to be sure, is the UART 4, CN23, shown in the attached picture in blue. Correct? Correct. If

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-02 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
I don't see anything that looks obviously wrong.  So here's a test to see if the EC is going to sleep or not.  Run the battery down to where the red LED is active.  Then power off the laptop.  If the EC goes into stop mode the red LED should go out after a few seconds.  If you press a

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-02 Thread Jon Nettleton
On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:12 AM, Samuel Greenfeld greenf...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: On 05/30/2012 03:34 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Most of the test had empty values but the informative ones (below) show that the XO-1.5

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-02 Thread Richard Smith
This battery is really strange... After an O/N with the battery out of the XO tried to run it down and suddenly none of the info in /sys/devices/0.baterry/power_supply/olpc-battery/ was changing after an hour of CPU burn and the battery was showing as Full Shutdown and removing the battery

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-02 Thread Richard Smith
I'm very suspect of this measurement.  The 1.5 has a hardware floating point unit and the 1.75 is still using soft-float.  Its extremely unlikely that the floating point performance on 1.75 is better than the 1.5. Hard FP status depends on if Yioryos is running 11.3.1 or 12.1.0. 

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-02 Thread Richard Smith
Looking at those numbers I am quite certain that he is using F17 and hardfp on the 1.75.  Floating Point performance of the VIA vx855 chipset is a known limitation.  It is something that they fixed in the next generation vx900 chipset. Got a reference for this known limitation ? -- Richard

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-02 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Sat, 6/2/12, Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: From: Richard Smith rich...@laptop.org Subject: Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4] To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Saturday, June 2, 2012, 8:27 AM

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-02 Thread Richard Smith
then.  Do you have a XO-1.5 or 1.75? Something with an EC serial connector loaded? I have the adaptor on the J1 of an XO-1. Will it do? No. If not, where is CN24? (a picture or a reference to the XO-1 board will help) XO-1 did not ship with an EC connector loaded. That's why I asked about

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-01 Thread Richard A. Smith
On 05/30/2012 03:34 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: If you want an idea of low-level performance, I can suggest running LMBench. Got the Debian lmbench_3.0-a7 source that compiles and runs fine w/o bitkeeper. Run the hardware part of the tests on the XO-1.5 (os880) and xo-1.75 (os12-

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-06-01 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Richard A. Smith rich...@laptop.org wrote: On 05/30/2012 03:34 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis wrote: Most of the test had empty values but the informative ones (below) show that the XO-1.5 is better in basic integer operations and memory bandwidth while the

Re: XO battery/performance [Devel Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4]

2012-06-01 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
  Most of the test had empty values but the informative ones (below) show that the XO-1.5 is better in basic integer operations and memory bandwidth while the XO-1.75 is better in float and double operations as well as in memory latency. I'm not sure how much this means for real life

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-30 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
If you want an idea of low-level performance, I can suggest running LMBench. Got the Debian lmbench_3.0-a7 source that compiles and runs fine w/o bitkeeper. Run the hardware part of the tests on the XO-1.5 (os880) and xo-1.75 (os12- correct kernel) with the same configuration. What was

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-29 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Mon, 5/28/12, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: H. Sorry, I disagree here. You have usage cases, and they are very different from each other. There isn't much normal. I would agree with this. The original test although intended for other things, suggested that the

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-28 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Mon, 5/28/12, Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jon Nettleton jon.nettle...@gmail.com Subject: Re: XO battery/performance To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 3:45 AM *snip* http

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: The test was done is Sugar and during the entire test the backlight was on and the rolling count output was displayed in the terminal activity. The XOs were associated with the same AP but no network or other

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-28 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
--- On Mon, 5/28/12, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: From: Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com Subject: Re: XO battery/performance To: Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com Cc: OLPC Devel devel@lists.laptop.org Date: Monday, May 28, 2012, 2:18 PM On Sat, May 26

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: I do not think I claimed a sophisticated test. Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt here. But it's really not testing what you thought it was testing, as others have pointed out. If you want an idea of low-level

Re: XO battery/performance

2012-05-27 Thread James Cameron
G'day, Your test script is a good test for scrolling performance in Terminal, thanks. I don't agree with the implications you have drawn though. I agree that the scrolling hesitations would ruin the test ... because if the bash process is blocked the counter would not increase. -- James

XO battery/performance

2012-05-26 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
Since I'm trying to figure this strange battery issue ( http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2012-May/035198.html ) I also tried to test the XO-1(os880), XO-1.5(os883) and -1.75(os10) battery life and thought to report it. It might be of help to someone. The strange battery was not part of