Msoffice on xo
Would it be possible to set up an inexpensive data center in china, put an application server together, and serve windows xp and ms office (at the $3 educational pricing), and then serve them through VNC on the xo, treating it as a thin client, to address those in some countries who may feel it is important to have children learn ms office and windows for employment purposes? or instead of a datacenter, make the school server an app server through Wine? Alternatively, possible to ask sun to adapt open office for xo? ::braces for an onslaught of tomatoes:: ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: A Clock project in Etoys
On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:15 , Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/Clock.004.pr One way or another, please load it onto Etoys (on a non-XO environment, drag-and-drop from Finder or Explorer. On XO, access the URL with browse, copy it to a USB memory and resume it from Journal, Ugh, is downloading and resuming projects directly broken again? This used to work fine. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: PIL on OLPC
hi, I am not in front of my XO. As I could remember I did CTRL+ALT+F2 root (enter) yum -y install python-imaging CTRL+ALT+F3 yokoy On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:12:25 +0100 Cihan Akkurt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Can someone explain how to install the PIL library on the olpc, for Image module use, please. I need this module to rezise and save images for my software. thank you -- ** Cihan Akkurt E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype : akkuciha ** -- ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[OT] Re: Egads! :-)
On Nov 16, 2007, at 14:10 , Ed Montgomery wrote: As mentioned, any poster who wants to discuss education, philosophy, etc. email me personally, and stop cluttering up a dev conference with such drivel. Too bad there is no forum I am aware of that discusses education in this education project. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Egads! :-)
treating it as a thin client, to address those in some countries who may feel it is important to have children learn ms office and windows for employment purposes? Schools should be teaching the concept of word processing not a specific word processor but that is as far as I will go with throwing tomatoes. Sigh...well, it was only a matter of time, I guess, before an M$ troll would show up. Children should NOT be learning 'M$' ANYTHING! for 'employment purposes'. This is an education project, not an employment project. As a teacher, I am much, much more in tune with teaching concepts, such as word processing, etc., rather than a product of a corrupt megacorporation. (and if you want lots and lots of evidence, references, etc. for that, please feel free to email me and/or visit my blog at cdneducation.blogspot.com). And $3 per user is too much. $2 per user is too much. $1 per user is too much. Sense a pattern here? ;-). Free, with source code would be ideal. Does M$ have that? No? Does M$ support the four freedoms? No? Well, then M$ doesn't fit the spec. Too bad. Bye-bye. (And sorry for the rant everyone. This is a developers conference, and it is evident that the M$ poster doesn't understand what that means. As mentioned, any poster who wants to discuss education, philosophy, etc. email me personally, and stop cluttering up a dev conference with such drivel. My apologies to all here.) /end rant ;-) Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Ghost My new Activity need help.
Hello, I developed a new activity for OLPC and I would like that someone can check on a real machine. I need this test to find out if I have to install modules / packages before using the software. In my code, I use import Image (PIL), and I do not know if it is already installed by default OLPC I also have a problem with the current directory. In my files. Py the path I / home / cihan / Activities / Ghost.activity / example: locale_dir = / home / cihan / Activities / Ghost.activity and I would like to make it easier for portability. I have already tested os.getcwd () function on Ubuntu but not in the emulator Sugar I can sent the activity by e-mail.It is 7 mb. Sorry for my bad English. I can french if someone can French. Thanks for your response. -- ** Cihan Akkurt E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype : akkuciha ** ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Msoffice on xo
For that matter, Google docs lets you import .doc, .ppt. and .xls files. They are already running a server. And they include sharing. Better to put our efforts in to continuing to improve our own offerings: Abiword (Write) is more than adequate for most needs; there is a simple spreadsheet program in the works; Etoys can view Powerpoint and be used to create rich media presentations, etc. -walter On Nov 15, 2007 11:12 PM, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 20:10 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to set up an inexpensive data center in china, put an application server together, and serve windows xp and ms office (at the $3 educational pricing) Remember that is $3 per user , and then serve them through VNC on the xo, Yes it is possible treating it as a thin client, to address those in some countries who may feel it is important to have children learn ms office and windows for employment purposes? Schools should be teaching the concept of word processing not a specific word processor but that is as far as I will go with throwing tomatoes. or instead of a datacenter, make the school server an app server through Wine? Why not just serve up open office? Alternatively, possible to ask sun to adapt open office for xo? OO is way to big to run on the xo. AbiWord is the basis of the Write activity so it would be easy enough to run it on the xo. The big question to ask is if you have any experience with education in China or if this is just your perception of what China wants. -- John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Walter Bender One Laptop per Child http://laptop.org ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Msoffice on xo
On Nov 16, 2007, at 13:44 , Walter Bender wrote: Etoys can view Powerpoint Not quite (but I admit Etoys is so rich that even I cannot remember everything). As far as I know, you can export Powerpoint slides to a series of images, and import them in Etoys to recreate the presentation. and be used to create rich media presentations That is definitely true, and in fact much more versatile than Powerpoint. Granted, we do not have as many bullet styles ;) - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Ghost My new Activity need help.
You can see what software is installed in the build logs, e.g. http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build286/ devel_jffs2/build.log and you can verify it works by emulation: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Emulating_the_XO The cwd is set to your activity's bundle directory, so you can use simply use relative paths to access resource files in the bundle. - Bert - On Nov 16, 2007, at 9:37 , Cihan Akkurt wrote: Hello, I developed a new activity for OLPC and I would like that someone can check on a real machine. I need this test to find out if I have to install modules / packages before using the software. In my code, I use import Image (PIL), and I do not know if it is already installed by default OLPC I also have a problem with the current directory. In my files. Py the path I / home / cihan / Activities / Ghost.activity / example: locale_dir = / home / cihan / Activities / Ghost.activity and I would like to make it easier for portability. I have already tested os.getcwd () function on Ubuntu but not in the emulator Sugar I can sent the activity by e-mail.It is 7 mb. Sorry for my bad English. I can french if someone can French. Thanks for your response. -- ** Cihan Akkurt E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype : akkuciha ** ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
Nick, At Thu, 15 Nov 2007 17:13:34 -0500, nick knouf wrote: Bert Freudenberg writes: I question the very assumption that continuously telling the time is even remotely important on a learning machine for kids in elementary school age. Dealing with time is a critical life skill that must be learned. Having a clock is thus very important. Whose time? Hours minutes seconds? Days since a recent feast? When the sun is at a certain position in the sky? Since I last saw you on the road? How much do I quantize? Is quantization of time even a concept I am familiar with? Well, it seems that you are responding to a wrong message. The notion of time is _highly_ contingent on situated cultural factors. Just because in the West we measure things using hours, minutes, and seconds, does not mean that the entire world does so. In fact, our conception of time is directly related to churches and clock towers in the middle ages (see Lewis Mumford on this idea) first, and then assembly lines and educational/disciplinary institutions (see Foucault) . The rest of the world has not necessarily adopted our way of dividing days into ever smaller chunks---perhaps there is no quantization at all! A clock application, especially given the areas of deployment, is _not_ something you rush into with the assumption that you can merely write a graphic display of 00:00:00. One must understand the local conditions to know how time is told _on the ground_ and be careful to not impose a Western notion of quantization and temporal division that might be entirely foreign. So, what do you think about the idea of letting kids make their own clocks? -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Etoys] A Clock project in Etoys
http://dev.laptop.org/~yoshiki/etoys/Clock.004.pr One way or another, please load it onto Etoys (on a non-XO environment, drag-and-drop from Finder or Explorer. On XO, access the URL with browse, copy it to a USB memory and resume it from Journal, Ugh, is downloading and resuming projects directly broken again? This used to work fine. Yup. Testing this kind of use case was another purpose of this exercise. Just clicking on the link in Browse doesn't seem to do anything except saying download complete. On the Joyride build at some point yesterday, I can drag the link from Browse to the Frame, choose Add to Journal in the menu that pops up when I do mouse-over on the icon, go to Journal, and resume the entry. Obscure, to say the least. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Posted a bunch of OLPC SimCity stuff to my blog
I've just posted a bunch of stuff about OLPC SimCity, including some exciting discussion with Alan Kay about eToys, Robot Odyssey, Visual Programming, and teaching kids to program, to my blog: http://www.donhopkins.com/drupal Enjoy! PS: If you want to sign up to my blog to comment on the postings, please create a new account in drupal then email me a note at [EMAIL PROTECTED] to remind me to activate it, because many comment spammers apply for accounts, who I ignore if they don't say something that makes me believe they're not spammers. -Don ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Egads! :-)
Peace to you Ed. It is true that I have a fantasy of getting Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Linus Torvaalds to join forces and work with OLPC, but I am not an M$ troll. My PhD original dissertation topic is on open source multilingual content management systems -- exactly because I want to make it easier for non-profits, ngos and governments to communicate. I used to be militantly against Microsoft; then I got to know more about what Bill is doing with his money. Bono supports whoever supports global education, and I am the same (just not as famous). I've lost a lot of sleep to Windows, and I am excited by the prospects of how Sugar OS and the eeePC Xandros distro has to popularize linux en masse, but I still greatly appreciate the Gates Library Foundation. The discussion is very much a development issue, because I was trying to propose a development solution, to address the possibility of the challenge the xo may face at the decision-making table of some education ministers. I don't know the extent of the challenge, but it was based on a comment someone made to me. And because I care about kids very deeply, and care about the program -- I tried to think of how to address this criticism of the laptop, in such a way that the criticism might evaporate. My addled brain saw a path through vnc -- and regardless of how much you (and I, truly) would like to see free access for all, some may still want MS office, and if finding a way to port it would end up getting the xo into more kids hands, then I think it is worth considering. Not because I want to invade open source, but because I want to try and find a solution to potential objections, as a backup to extending abiword and using google docs. I will try to continue to reduce non-dev commentary. On Nov 16, 2007 7:10 AM, Ed Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: treating it as a thin client, to address those in some countries who may feel it is important to have children learn ms office and windows for employment purposes? Schools should be teaching the concept of word processing not a specific word processor but that is as far as I will go with throwing tomatoes. Sigh...well, it was only a matter of time, I guess, before an M$ troll would show up. Children should NOT be learning 'M$' ANYTHING! for 'employment purposes'. This is an education project, not an employment project. As a teacher, I am much, much more in tune with teaching concepts, such as word processing, etc., rather than a product of a corrupt megacorporation. (and if you want lots and lots of evidence, references, etc. for that, please feel free to email me and/or visit my blog at cdneducation.blogspot.com). And $3 per user is too much. $2 per user is too much. $1 per user is too much. Sense a pattern here? ;-). Free, with source code would be ideal. Does M$ have that? No? Does M$ support the four freedoms? No? Well, then M$ doesn't fit the spec. Too bad. Bye-bye. (And sorry for the rant everyone. This is a developers conference, and it is evident that the M$ poster doesn't understand what that means. As mentioned, any poster who wants to discuss education, philosophy, etc. email me personally, and stop cluttering up a dev conference with such drivel. My apologies to all here.) /end rant ;-) Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Todd Kelsey Good Green Fun: http://www.cftw.com/xoroids/ Willy Wonka Wonderful! - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:StartOfMP.jpg Love Poem for people of Middle East: http://welcome.cftw.com Tour of laptop | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/608-demo-notes About Me/CFTW | http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dhbxftbn_35f5b46bhl=en; http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dhbxftbn_35f5b46bhl=en Loving the World | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhbxftbn_36cx4kj7 Fascinating for me to sit here and realize the interplay and influence that music can have -- it is a part of my life, yet I haven't continued as I could, partly out of thinking there are more important things. but it has it's place. i am sitting at olpc offices, and someone is playing pink floyd, and I think music is a gift of creativity that can inspire an atmosphere of creativity, and the range of such echoes is infinite. - Me Free tunes by me: http://www.cftw.com/music ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
What I was suggesting though is that there should *not* be a clock in the Sugar frame visible all the time. +1 to including hooks to Sugar for frame-resident mini-apps. +1 to making the frame clock optional (turned on from the clock activity - another reason to keep it an activity) and not the default option. If people want it, they will find it - vice versa is not as true. +1 to a respect that there are vastly differing cultural views of time -1 to the idea that any other culture's view of time is so inherently fragile that it can be shattered by a simple digital clock. The percentage of people who have NOT seen a clock is ever-shrinking - I suspect it's a safe guess that many people reading this message may have grown up when that percentage was several times what it is now. I'll hazard another bet: the xo will NOT have any measurable impact on that trend. And another: many cultural views of time are in fact just as compatible with the clock as yours, even if you (naturally) think that yours is the logical result of the clock. -1 to the idea that we should deliberately leave out features in order to encourage kids to program. O, ye of little faith. My opinions, Jameson ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Msoffice on xo
thanks - yes - and because of the silly idea in my head of MS lowering price of MS office to $3 a copy. On Nov 16, 2007 12:38 PM, Seth Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The big question to ask is if you have any experience with education in China or if this is just your perception of what China wants. I'm pretty sure that Todd means to use China because it would be innexpensive to host there, not because it is particularly something that China needs. On Nov 15, 2007 8:12 PM, John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 20:10 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would it be possible to set up an inexpensive data center in china, put an application server together, and serve windows xp and ms office (at the $3 educational pricing) Remember that is $3 per user , and then serve them through VNC on the xo, Yes it is possible treating it as a thin client, to address those in some countries who may feel it is important to have children learn ms office and windows for employment purposes? Schools should be teaching the concept of word processing not a specific word processor but that is as far as I will go with throwing tomatoes. or instead of a datacenter, make the school server an app server through Wine? Why not just serve up open office? Alternatively, possible to ask sun to adapt open office for xo? OO is way to big to run on the xo. AbiWord is the basis of the Write activity so it would be easy enough to run it on the xo. -- John (J5) Palmieri [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel -- Todd Kelsey Good Green Fun: http://www.cftw.com/xoroids/ Willy Wonka Wonderful! - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:StartOfMP.jpg Love Poem for people of Middle East: http://welcome.cftw.com Tour of laptop | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/608-demo-notes About Me/CFTW | http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dhbxftbn_35f5b46bhl=en; http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dhbxftbn_35f5b46bhl=en Loving the World | http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dhbxftbn_36cx4kj7 Fascinating for me to sit here and realize the interplay and influence that music can have -- it is a part of my life, yet I haven't continued as I could, partly out of thinking there are more important things. but it has it's place. i am sitting at olpc offices, and someone is playing pink floyd, and I think music is a gift of creativity that can inspire an atmosphere of creativity, and the range of such echoes is infinite. - Me Free tunes by me: http://www.cftw.com/music ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
On Nov 16, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: Well, it seems that you are responding to a wrong message. Not really; if the question is whether or not there is a clock application that is standard on the laptop, implicit there is a decision as to _what kind_ of clock application. It's that question that I wanted to highlight. So, what do you think about the idea of letting kids make their own clocks? I should have made it more explicit in my e-mail that I would certainly be in favor of a variety of different clock applications that reflect local conditions or are based on the logic or whimsy of the user. The only thing I would caution is that the clock construction environment should not privilege one type of representation versus another. Not that I am suggesting that you or anyone else is necessarily doing that; again, I raise the point for the purposes of making the question salient. nick ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
On Nov 16, 2007, at 21:13 , nick knouf wrote: On Nov 16, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: Well, it seems that you are responding to a wrong message. Not really; if the question is whether or not there is a clock application that is standard on the laptop, implicit there is a decision as to _what kind_ of clock application. It's that question that I wanted to highlight. Yes, you are answering in the wrong thread. Having an activity for exploring time is obviously valuable. What I was suggesting though is that there should *not* be a clock in the Sugar frame visible all the time. Granted, all office-centric operating systems / GUIs have one. So what? We shouldn't. If a kid wants one, make Sugar easy to modify to allow this and other modifications we might not even think of, yet. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
-1 to the idea that we should deliberately leave out features in order to encourage kids to program. O, ye of little faith. I don't see anybody said this, but yes, that would be bad. The environment should come rich set of tools/widgets etc. that make the environment rich. Several clock examples should be part of it (That is why I just made one). But, these tools should be used by kids to make more stuff, and also these should be openable to see inside. That is what I mean by saying kids should be making clocks. -- Yoshiki ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
This is a Color of the Bikeshed issue. Give it a rest. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Sorry, quickie example
Just a couple of quick examples, if you care about kids, and you care about their education, etc., then supporting M$ in any way, shape, or form, is not the way to go: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-berkshire4may04,0,6075683.story Development under linux is thus, far, far more preferable, and the project would be ruined using MS office or anything else related. Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)
On Nov 17, 2007, at 0:21 , Mitch Bradley wrote: This is a Color of the Bikeshed issue. Give it a rest. The clock discussion is, you're right. Reminding everyone that we set out to create an environment for kids to explore and construct is not. It's perplexing how few developers seem to share that goal. - Bert - ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
