New joyride build 2413
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2413 Changes in build 2413 from build: 2412 Size delta: -70.91M -olpc-library-core 1-26 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Regarding WPA support remember you have existing G1G1 users out in the wild using WPA plus a new G1G1 is scheduled for November time frame. It is also possible that a deployment or two use WPA. There are suspend related bugs in 8.2-759. 1.) There is a nasty suspend related networking bug that requires a hard boot to get working again. Turn on power management, let the laptop suspend, (screen dims), and then close the lid. Open the lid again and the wireless connectivity is dead. Sometimes you have to repeat the lid closing several times to get the network stack dropped. Seems to happen the quickest if you have been using the network for a shared activity such as chat for a while. ( Bug does not seem to happen if ohmd is logging). Once this happens restarting sugar will not revive it. I have had to reboot to get wireless working again. 2.) I noticed in build 757 after opening the lid the system would attempt to connect to the last network device it had been connected to. With 759 it looks for a mesh first no matter that you had been connected to an AP last. 3.). If the laptop is in suspend, closing the lid does not turn off the backlight. (I look through the USB port after I close the lid and the light is still on. ). Robert H. On Sep 9, 2008, at 4:11 PM, Chris Ball wrote: Hi Martin, Go for 8.2-759 - that's pretty close to being a release candidate, and it's fairly good. Two things that hit mainstream usage and are being worked on: bad WPA support, odd Out-of-memory situations - activities get a kill -9 without so much as a pardon me. I don't think we have anyone working on better WPA support, but I might be wrong -- if this is important to you, make sure to let Greg know you think someone should be tackling it as a release blocker. (Current 8.2 blockers: http://dev.laptop.org/report/32.) - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, news is not great on the Activity front... SUMMARY: 759 vs 711 each Activity instance in 759 consumes an average of 1Mb more memory than the same Activity running in 711, with Write-57 reportedly taking significantly more than that (perhaps ~7Mb). Is top and/or ps memory usage calculated in the same way between these builds? Could make collecting real data pretty painful. Unfortunately not, there has been changes in the kernel. My understanding is that private memory will be the same, while calculation of shared memory has changed. Riccardo has a new kernel somewhere with instructions on how to install it on 711. That should make the memory usage comparable. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was hoping to see the numbers go the other way with the rainbow fork trick sharing more module code between Activities. Could be worse I guess – I should also test opening N instances of the same Activity and see which way memory usage has moved in that scenario. Now that's worrying. Could you try to disable security (remove /etc/olpc-security)? That will kill the rainbow trick and comparing data should tell us if it's helping memory at all. Marco ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2414
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2414 Changes in build 2414 from build: 2413 Size delta: 0.13M -yum 3.2.17-2.fc9 +yum 3.2.19-3.fc9 --- Changes for yum 3.2.19-3.fc9 from 3.2.17-2.fc9 --- + add patch to fix yum install name.arch matching + add patch to fix mash's parser use. + 3.2.19 + 3.2.18 -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Hi Robert, thanks for the notes. Regarding WPA support remember you have existing G1G1 users out in the wild using WPA plus a new G1G1 is scheduled for November time frame. It is also possible that a deployment or two use WPA. We aren't going to ship without WPA support, but we also aren't working on improvements to the WPA support we already have. There are suspend related bugs in 8.2-759. 1.) There is a nasty suspend related networking bug that requires a hard boot to get working again. Turn on power management, let the laptop suspend, (screen dims), and then close the lid. Open the lid again and the wireless connectivity is dead. Sometimes you have to repeat the lid closing several times to get the network stack dropped. Seems to happen the quickest if you have been using the network for a shared activity such as chat for a while. ( Bug does not seem to happen if ohmd is logging). Once this happens restarting sugar will not revive it. I have had to reboot to get wireless working again. This is #8103, which is fixed in Joyride and will be fixed in 8.2-760 when that's built. 2.) I noticed in build 757 after opening the lid the system would attempt to connect to the last network device it had been connected to. With 759 it looks for a mesh first no matter that you had been connected to an AP last. It will try the previous AP again, but it'll first cycle through the mesh channels looking for a school server. This was a request from deployment, to make sure that when a laptop arrives from home to school it finds the school server there. The cycle time is unfortunately long: over a minute. If it's enough of an inconvenience, we might consider some mechanism (perhaps a networks.cfg entry) for saying I don't care about connecting to mesh networks automatically, always prefer APs. 3.). If the laptop is in suspend, closing the lid does not turn off the backlight. (I look through the USB port after I close the lid and the light is still on. ). This is #8137, and is unlikely to be fixed in time for 8.2.0; the workaround is to either wake the machine before closing the lid, or to open and close the lid after the lid close that didn't trigger sleep. - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
When measuring memory usage, cat /proc/XXX/smaps provides the most accurate info available (as far as I know), and produces directly comparable results in all OLPC software releases. XXX is the process number you're examining (first column of ps output). The smaps file also tells you how many of the pages in each allocation are actually *resident* in memory at this instant; how many are uniquely used by this process (versus shared with other processes); and how many of them are *dirty* (written by the process). It also includes the info that the pmap command produces (from /proc/XXX/maps). E.g. part of the output for the sugar-shell process includes: b6094000-b6101000 r-xp 1f:00 3391 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.17.5 Size:436 kB Rss: 244 kB Pss: 70 kB Shared_Clean:244 kB Shared_Dirty: 0 kB Private_Clean: 0 kB Private_Dirty: 0 kB Referenced: 244 kB b6101000-b6103000 rw-p 0006d000 1f:00 3391 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.17.5 Size: 8 kB Rss: 8 kB Pss: 8 kB Shared_Clean: 0 kB Shared_Dirty: 0 kB Private_Clean: 0 kB Private_Dirty: 8 kB Referenced:8 kB This says that there are two parts of the libcairo shared library mapped into the process's address space. One is 436 kB and is readable and executable (it's the code segment). Of that 436k, 244k is currently resident in memory (Rss), all of that 244k is shared with other processes and is clean (not written to). The second part of libcairo is only 8k bytes long, it's read/write and not executable (it's the data segment and the BSS segment), all 8k has been read into RAM, all 8k is private (not shared with other processes) and dirty (has been modified by the process). There's a lot more info in there too, such as what virtual addresses these things are mapped into, and from what offset within the file. The size, nm, and objdump -h commands from yum install binutils will help you compare these offsets back into the compiler output and thus into the source code. Dirty memory is particularly pernicious on the XO, since the XO has nowhere to keep it except in RAM. On normal Linux systems, when dirty pages are not expected to be used again soon, they can be paged out to the swap space on disk. On the XO, which has no swap space, those pages burn up RAM permanently, even if the process goes to sleep for a year and never wakes up again. The dirty memory is released only when the process exits (or when the process explicitly unmaps it, which seldom happens). These long-term dirty pages produce more memory pressure (less available memory) for all the other processes that are actually active and getting work done for the user. When a Linux system gets memory pressure, it tosses out whatever it can to swap space (nothing, on the XO) and then it starts throwing away pages that it knows it can later re-read from the file system. The resident, clean pages that are mapped from files are what get thrown away (like the first segment of libcairo above). When the XO runs low on memory, this means that it throws away a lot of pages containing executable code. If the code on those pages is subsequently executed, those pages will be read back in from the file system. Note that reading in a 4k page from the JFFS2 compressed filesystem is not a cheap operation; a lot of system CPU time goes into decompressing it (compared to an ordinary Linux system with a hard disk and an ext3 filesystem). Throwing away code pages and then immediately reading them back in again, over and over, thrashing, may be why the XO gets very slow when memory is tight. It may be possible and useful to store some commonly used executables and shared libraries as uncompressed files in jffs2, making them much faster to page back in from Flash. Nobody has tried doing this, as far as I know. I don't know how to instrument the kernel virtual memory subsystem to gain visibility into which pages are being discarded when, and which are being read in later. I think that info would be extremely useful for debugging 8.2's low-memory hangs. Thrashing would become obvious if you see the same pages being read in over and over. Of course, when the machine is thrashing, it's hard to see any output from its kernel... John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be possible and useful to store some commonly used executables and shared libraries as uncompressed files in jffs2, making them much faster to page back in from Flash. Nobody has tried doing this, as far as I know. Please, I would love to see this as well... Thanks, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: AC not present?
I know I've said this before, but I really want to get some UI polish into this part of the system. Instead of the cryptic AC not present we should be displaying a fullscreen graphic picturing the power cord... A better fix was implemented a while ago. In the old firmware that caused this bug report, it refused to boot when there's new firmware in the filesystem, but no external power. Modern firmware merely defers updating itself, and then goes on to boot Linux as usual. I suspect that pretty-boot users won't even see modern firmware's No external power message; it'll just boot up as always. John ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * We need to check carefully for memory-leaks. Three mechanisms which occur to me include: Looks like we have regressed on http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5532 . Just entered http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8394 because most of the details on the older ticket aren't relevant any more. It contains a fix. This means we leak 20KB per buddy, so 10 buddies appearing per hour would match with Paul's observations. We should setup automated tests and check if we still leak, how we could resource this? Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 09:15 +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, news is not great on the Activity front... SUMMARY: 759 vs 711 each Activity instance in 759 consumes an average of 1Mb more memory than the same Activity running in 711, with Write-57 reportedly taking significantly more than that (perhaps ~7Mb). Is top and/or ps memory usage calculated in the same way between these builds? Could make collecting real data pretty painful. Unfortunately not, there has been changes in the kernel. My understanding is that private memory will be the same, while calculation of shared memory has changed. Riccardo has a new kernel somewhere with instructions on how to install it on 711. That should make the memory usage comparable. Marco I used this newer kernel (as it accounts also for pss) for measurements with ps_mem on build 703: http://dev.laptop.org/~rlucchese/utils/703/kernel-2.6.25-20080501.3.olpc.231c7b715f4a8d0.i586.rpm It can be installed on the xo with: $ rpm -ivh kernel-rpm $ cp -a /boot/* /versions/boot/current/boot/ You will also have to update the ram disk image; you can follow the instructions at the bottom of http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Kernel_Building You may also want to try this patched ps_mem (shows pids and doesn't group entries by process name): http://dev.laptop.org/~rlucchese/utils/ps_mem.py riccardo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
I had a few hours look at the second largest process, the journal activity, on Joyride 2412. VmPeak:40440 kB VmSize:40436 kB VmLck: 0 kB VmHWM: 28824 kB VmRSS: 28824 kB VmData:11632 kB VmStk: 172 kB VmExe: 4 kB VmLib: 21992 kB VmPTE:48 kB so it costs 29Mb or so of RSS, most of which is presumably shared. This is confirmed by smaps, which showed 9Mb or so used by heap. That was the main memory cost, so I concentrated on it. It was the largest Private_Dirty. 0824f000-08be9000 rw-p 0824f000 00:00 0 [heap] Size: 9832 kB Rss:9608 kB Pss:9608 kB Shared_Clean: 0 kB Shared_Dirty: 0 kB Private_Clean: 0 kB Private_Dirty: 9608 kB Referenced: 9608 kB For a while I tried working with /proc/$PID/mem until I figured it just would not work, always got ESRCH on read(2), and mem_read showed I could only do it to processes that are children of my process. Odd, so abandoned that method. Then I used gdb to generate-core-file and wander through the heap memory to get an idea of what it might contain. I did not make a complete analysis. I need to learn more about the heap structures before I do so. But I did notice one odd thing that I wasn't fully aware of until now ... the byte-code of the built-in modules was present, complete with doc strings ... for example; (gdb) x/4bs 0x824f78c 0x824f78c: int(x[, base]) - integer\n\nConvert a string or number to an integer, if possible. A floating point\nargument will be truncated towards zero (this does not include a string\nrepresentation of a floating... 0x824f854:point number!) When converting a string, use\nthe optional base. It is an error to supply a base when converting a\nnon-string. If the argument is outside the integer range a long object\nwill be retu... 0x824f91c: rned instead. 0x824f92a: and not just once, twice: $ strings journal.core |grep supply a base when converting the optional base. It is an error to supply a base when converting a the optional base. It is an error to supply a base when converting a Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? -- James Cameronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://quozl.netrek.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seems to want to be imported before you start the rest of your program, which sort of forces you into interactive mode. is that your understanding? i had been hoping to be able to attach to the sugar shell process, in the way one might do with gdb. perhaps that's not possible. btw, i continued doing monitoring of the machines i had running: i need to look again after they've been running overnight when i get to the office, but the growth i was seeing may be network related, as tomeu suggested yesterday. (i had at least one case of no growth at all when i had disabled the wireless.) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Chris Ball wrote: Hi Robert, thanks for the notes. 2.) I noticed in build 757 after opening the lid the system would attempt to connect to the last network device it had been connected to. With 759 it looks for a mesh first no matter that you had been connected to an AP last. It will try the previous AP again, but it'll first cycle through the mesh channels looking for a school server. This was a request from deployment, to make sure that when a laptop arrives from home to school it finds the school server there. The cycle time is unfortunately long: over a minute. If it's enough of an inconvenience, we might consider some mechanism (perhaps a networks.cfg entry) for saying I don't care about connecting to mesh networks automatically, always prefer APs. As a G1G1 user/doner, I think having a setting (control panel?) that would check the last connection used first is key for G1G1 v2. I've been working with my XO for 9 months now and I still think it is broken when it comes out of suspend and can't get to the network for all the mesh check... To new G1G1 users, it will just seem broken. Also, what happened to the white circle around the network circle in the Neighborhood to indicate which was connected? I liked that visual confirmation. Now you have to manually check to see if you are connected. Maybe the frame could flash open and closed when the network connects? 3.). If the laptop is in suspend, closing the lid does not turn off the backlight. (I look through the USB port after I close the lid and the light is still on. ). This is #8137, and is unlikely to be fixed in time for 8.2.0; the workaround is to either wake the machine before closing the lid, or to open and close the lid after the lid close that didn't trigger sleep. - Chris. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Chris Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, what happened to the white circle around the network circle in the Neighborhood to indicate which was connected? I liked that visual confirmation. +1 -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Libertas firmware on F9 for the XS
Hi Martin, On 9/9/08, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Michail Bletsas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - F9 libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.111.20.p49-1 - F9/XO (8.2-759) libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.111.22.p18-1 You are definitely better off using 5.110.22.p18 With my release-manager hat on: can I have more info to help me decide? I just checked and the firmware on the last F7-based build was 20.p49, same as F9, so staying with it means I am dealing with a known quantity... - is there a good changelog between 20.p49 and 22.p18 ? - with 20.p49 the AA dies overnight, does 22.p18 fix this? - any notes from stability testing done with 22.p18? cheers, The release notes can be acessed here: http://www.laptop.org/teamwiki/index.php/Tech:FW_8388_RELEASE_NOTES 22.p18 is the current version in joyride. Anything older than 22.p14 is not recommended at all (quite the opposite). Cheers! Ricardo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
Paul, On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 08:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seems to want to be imported before you start the rest of your program, which sort of forces you into interactive mode. is that your understanding? i had been hoping to be able to attach to the sugar shell process, in the way one might do with gdb. perhaps that's not possible. There is kick-start tutorial on how to use heapy's remote monitor at the 56th page of http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/heapy-thesis.pdf For the shell I use to put `import guppy.heapy.RM' before any other import statement in main.py. riccardo ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, thanks for the notes. Regarding WPA support remember you have existing G1G1 users out in the wild using WPA plus a new G1G1 is scheduled for November time frame. It is also possible that a deployment or two use WPA. We aren't going to ship without WPA support, but we also aren't working on improvements to the WPA support we already have. There are suspend related bugs in 8.2-759. 1.) There is a nasty suspend related networking bug that requires a hard boot to get working again. Turn on power management, let the laptop suspend, (screen dims), and then close the lid. Open the lid again and the wireless connectivity is dead. Sometimes you have to repeat the lid closing several times to get the network stack dropped. Seems to happen the quickest if you have been using the network for a shared activity such as chat for a while. ( Bug does not seem to happen if ohmd is logging). Once this happens restarting sugar will not revive it. I have had to reboot to get wireless working again. This is #8103, which is fixed in Joyride and will be fixed in 8.2-760 when that's built. 2.) I noticed in build 757 after opening the lid the system would attempt to connect to the last network device it had been connected to. With 759 it looks for a mesh first no matter that you had been connected to an AP last. It will try the previous AP again, but it'll first cycle through the mesh channels looking for a school server. This was a request from deployment, to make sure that when a laptop arrives from home to school it finds the school server there. The cycle time is unfortunately long: over a minute. If it's enough of an inconvenience, we might consider some mechanism (perhaps a networks.cfg entry) for saying I don't care about connecting to mesh networks automatically, always prefer APs. I already have a design in mind for this, which came out of the need to reset the network config nonsense. The intended design there is not just a clear button which wipes the file, but an ordered list which allows one to see the preferred networks, and reorder them in a list in the order in which connection should be attempted. At the time I brought up this design, I also offered that we should add a special item to the list representing the Mesh, so that it would be possible to reorder the mesh connection attempts as well. It would likely be at the top by default, of course, but could be moved to the bottom of the list. - Eben 3.). If the laptop is in suspend, closing the lid does not turn off the backlight. (I look through the USB port after I close the lid and the light is still on. ). This is #8137, and is unlikely to be fixed in time for 8.2.0; the workaround is to either wake the machine before closing the lid, or to open and close the lid after the lid close that didn't trigger sleep. - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
We removed that for two reasons. First, as an indicator it was actually really subtle; it didn't grab attention. Second, it effectively stripped the identity of the server itself, since each AP is identified by a pair of colors. Removing the stroke color made it unclear which AP was which. We feel confident in removing this indicator thanks to the new design for the Frame (which includes devices), since it's just as easy (actually, less inconvenient) to reveal the Frame to see quickly and unambiguously which, if any, AP is connected. We intend to have better confirmation upon success or failure of AP connections in the near future. - Eben On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, what happened to the white circle around the network circle in the Neighborhood to indicate which was connected? I liked that visual confirmation. +1 -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 08:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:05 PM, James Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone got an idea of how to measure the heap by usage? Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seems to want to be imported before you start the rest of your program, which sort of forces you into interactive mode. is that your understanding? i had been hoping to be able to attach to the sugar shell process, in the way one might do with gdb. perhaps that's not possible. There is kick-start tutorial on how to use heapy's remote monitor at the 56th page of http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/heapy-thesis.pdf For the shell I use to put `import guppy.heapy.RM' before any other import statement in main.py. Another pointer: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/heapy_Use.html#heapykinds.Use.monitor Other ways of using guppy are logging out periodically the heap with gobject.timeout_add or patching keyhandler.py to print the heap (or a diff of it) when a key combination is pressed. Regards, Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Are we still so wedded to the purity of circles? Simply changing the shape of the icon once a connection is made would go a long way. Maybe morph into a star? or a sun? Or add the ubiquitous parens around the icon a la the indicator light? None of these would adversely impact the color-ID scheme. -walter On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We removed that for two reasons. First, as an indicator it was actually really subtle; it didn't grab attention. Second, it effectively stripped the identity of the server itself, since each AP is identified by a pair of colors. Removing the stroke color made it unclear which AP was which. We feel confident in removing this indicator thanks to the new design for the Frame (which includes devices), since it's just as easy (actually, less inconvenient) to reveal the Frame to see quickly and unambiguously which, if any, AP is connected. We intend to have better confirmation upon success or failure of AP connections in the near future. - Eben On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:20 AM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, what happened to the white circle around the network circle in the Neighborhood to indicate which was connected? I liked that visual confirmation. +1 -- Bastien ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Chris Ball wrote: 2.) I noticed in build 757 after opening the lid the system would attempt to connect to the last network device it had been connected to. With 759 it looks for a mesh first no matter that you had been connected to an AP last. It will try the previous AP again, but it'll first cycle through the mesh channels looking for a school server. This was a request from deployment, to make sure that when a laptop arrives from home to school it finds the school server there. The cycle time is unfortunately long: over a minute. If it's enough of an inconvenience, we might consider some mechanism (perhaps a networks.cfg entry) for saying I don't care about connecting to mesh networks automatically, always prefer APs. can't you look for both at the same time? just use whichever responds first. it's not likely that you will have the AP and a school server in range at the same time. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be possible and useful to store some commonly used executables and shared libraries as uncompressed files in jffs2, making them much faster to page back in from Flash. Nobody has tried doing this, as far as I know. Please, I would love to see this as well... not for this release, but would the axfs be an option in the future with it's execute in place capability for key files? or is the performance difference compared to ram such that you wouldn't want it in any case? either way, the profiling it does of which pages are used (and how much) could be useful in figuring out what binaries should be stored uncompressed. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
eben wrote: We removed that for two reasons. First, as an indicator it was actually really subtle; it didn't grab attention. Second, it effectively stripped the identity of the server itself, since each AP is identified by a pair of colors. Removing the stroke color made it unclear which AP was which. We feel confident in removing this indicator thanks to the new design for the Frame (which includes devices), since it's just as easy (actually, less inconvenient) to reveal the Frame to see quickly and unambiguously which, if any, AP is connected. i don't see how requiring keyboard/mouse interaction is less inconvenient than simply looking at the screen. we already distinguish various circles with little ornaments or bulls-eye rings. surely one more style wouldn't be terrible. remember that one usually already knows which AP is expected to be connected -- it's the one that was just clicked on, or which was clicked on yesterday. finding it on the screen isn't an issue. (well, maybe at 1cc it is, but not in the average setting.) (also, having the network icon in the frame is important when you're not on the network view, and not when you are.) paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
tomeu wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:37 PM, riccardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul, On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 08:18 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i started down that path yesterday afternoon, and realized that it wasn't clear to me how i needed to invoke it. it seems to want to be imported before you start the rest of your program, which sort of forces you into interactive mode. is that your understanding? i had been hoping to be able to attach to the sugar shell process, in the way one might do with gdb. perhaps that's not possible. There is kick-start tutorial on how to use heapy's remote monitor at the 56th page of http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/heapy-thesis.pdf For the shell I use to put `import guppy.heapy.RM' before any other import statement in main.py. Another pointer: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/heapy_Use.html#heapykinds.Use.monitor Other ways of using guppy are logging out periodically the heap with gobject.timeout_add or patching keyhandler.py to print the heap (or a diff of it) when a key combination is pressed. thank you for both of those pointers. paul =- paul fox, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] Update ejabberd package
Le mercredi 10 septembre 2008 à 11:14 +1200, Martin Langhoff a écrit : On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:28 AM, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As mentioned few weeks ago, I created an updated version of the ejabberd XS package. Excellent. I'll give it a spin asap, now that the F9 based XS is in better shape. Cool! This package still suffers shared roster bugs but after lot of tests they appear to be upstream problems and should not be a regression comparing to the current package. I think it would be worth to consider inclusion of this new package to XS for wider testing. Can you give me a bit of info on how much you've tested it internally. Also, I'll be looking for hints on how to use Daf's new testing tools effectively... (any links, clues...?) Didn't test it that much yet as Daf is still working on the test tools. I just moved to our Cambridge office so I'll be able to help Sjoerd and Daf on the test bed. I'll let you know as soon we have test results. FYI, I'm working on #5310 and hope to have a package creating automatically the shared roster soon. G. ___ Server-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
recognizing a previous connection
When there has been an unconnected period (e.g., while suspended), the question has been discussed as to WHICH connection ought the system be trying to re-establish. I agree with those who would like the 'most recent connection' to be tried first, unless the user has explicitly indicated some other preference. But my chief reason for posting this is to point out the difference between an education environment for OLPC users, and a G1G1 environment for OLPC users. The whole design of Network Manager seems to be aimed at the former -- connect to the *same* school server all the time; if it is out of reach, connect to the *same* set of buddies (e.g., via mesh). As a G1G1 user, I tend to carry my XO with me. So at 7am I might use it at home; at 10am at the office during a break; at noon at a lunch spot, etc., etc. Meaning that continually this XO needs to be connected to a *different* AP. [And I don't like to just erase networks.cfg -- there might be values held there that I might not want to re-type manually when I next need to use a particular AP.] To me, the G1G1 environment is characterized by NOT using the same connection each time. Please don't make it cumbersome to switch APs mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 03:09:46PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Am 10.09.2008 um 14:52 schrieb Walter Bender: Or add the ubiquitous parens around the icon a la the indicator light? That's *exactly* what I was thinking :) A halo/parens could look really nice. - Bert - Martin pgpgd6vKMZSRs.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: recognizing a previous connection
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 09:25:57AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: To me, the G1G1 environment is characterized by NOT using the same connection each time. Please don't make it cumbersome to switch APs AFAIK, NetworkManager should Just Do This every time you return to within range of an AP to which you've previously associated successfully. It's possibly because we have the Simple Mesh step that can always succeed, and that NM won't switch away from that, that we cen the current behavior. Perhaps in NM 0.7 this can be improved. mikus Martin pgpgOKl9TvB0o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New update.1 build 714
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build714 Changes in build 714 from build: 713 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2e15-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2e17-1.olpc2.unsigned --- Changes for bootfw q2e17-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2e15-1.olpc2.unsigned --- + trac #8379 - fixed pretty boot (recently broken) + Fixup ext3 write support + Add 2 column display to the mfg-data dump -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/update.1-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: recognizing a previous connection
It is my understanding that deployments with larger schools will be using WAPs and possibly some active antennas (currently a shortage of these). These large schools are more like the G1G1 situation as the pupil moves from one area of the school to another they may connect to another AP. I have informed a person involved with deployment at large schools of this thread (and the other thread). I am hoping they will respond with information about the wireless topography. On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: When there has been an unconnected period (e.g., while suspended), the question has been discussed as to WHICH connection ought the system be trying to re-establish. I agree with those who would like the 'most recent connection' to be tried first, unless the user has explicitly indicated some other preference. But my chief reason for posting this is to point out the difference between an education environment for OLPC users, and a G1G1 environment for OLPC users. The whole design of Network Manager seems to be aimed at the former -- connect to the *same* school server all the time; if it is out of reach, connect to the *same* set of buddies (e.g., via mesh). As a G1G1 user, I tend to carry my XO with me. So at 7am I might use it at home; at 10am at the office during a break; at noon at a lunch spot, etc., etc. Meaning that continually this XO needs to be connected to a *different* AP. [And I don't like to just erase networks.cfg -- there might be values held there that I might not want to re-type manually when I next need to use a particular AP.] To me, the G1G1 environment is characterized by NOT using the same connection each time. Please don't make it cumbersome to switch APs mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Current 8.2 and joyride ext3 builds unusable
C. Scott Ananian wrote: working on it. --scott Just to tell that ext3 builds are working again since joyride-2413. Now hope it is the same for the next 8.2 build. Thanks Scott for fixing this in less than one day !! Ton van Overbeek ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 02:13:24PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Not from outside python, but from inside we are using heapy: http://guppy-pe.sourceforge.net/ Tomeu already published some guppy RPMs but here is a git repo with pacakging instructions (Makefiles) should you wish to make any changes. http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/mstone/heapy (Look for the $(TARBALL) rule in Makefile.fedora if you want to change anything; that Makefile is configured to pull directly from PyPI...) Michael Here are the resulting RPMs: http://dev.laptop.org/~mstone/releases/RPMS/guppy-0.1.8-1.fc9.i386.rpm http://dev.laptop.org/~mstone/releases/RPMS/guppy-debuginfo-0.1.8-1.fc9.i386.rpm http://dev.laptop.org/~mstone/releases/SRPMS/guppy-0.1.8-1.fc9.src.rpm ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Outage Notification - 2008-09-13 01:00 UTC
There will be an outage starting at Y2008-09-13 01:00 UTC, which will last approximately 1 hour. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2008-09-13 01:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem Unaffected Services: Websites Database CVS / Source Control DNS Mail Torrent Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/830 Reason for Outage: update koji to 1.2.6. it will enable us to turn garbage collection back on. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
My layman's understanding is that you can't execute in place from the NAND flash on the XO. XIP requires NOR flash which is more expensive than NAND but has faster read speeds. It mentions this briefly on the axfs FAQ. Storing some executables and libraries in a separate uncompressed partition seems more plausible, but I can't speculate on the system performance impact. Thanks, Nate On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It may be possible and useful to store some commonly used executables and shared libraries as uncompressed files in jffs2, making them much faster to page back in from Flash. Nobody has tried doing this, as far as I know. Please, I would love to see this as well... not for this release, but would the axfs be an option in the future with it's execute in place capability for key files? or is the performance difference compared to ram such that you wouldn't want it in any case? either way, the profiling it does of which pages are used (and how much) could be useful in figuring out what binaries should be stored uncompressed. David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Automatic power management disabled in control panel
Hi all, upgraded to 2414 and realized that the auto power management checkbox in the sugar control panel is unchecked even though the XO seems to show a regular power management behavior. Is this a bug or am I missing something here (e.g. auto power management being a different mode to what's the default setting)? Thanks, Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Automatic power management disabled in control panel
Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hi all, upgraded to 2414 and realized that the auto power management checkbox in the sugar control panel is unchecked even though the XO seems to show a regular power management behavior. Is this a bug or am I missing something here (e.g. auto power management being a different mode to what's the default setting)? Thanks, Christoph It is a known bug. Do not know if it is in trac. In the 8.2 builds power management (= suspend on idle) is off at boot, i.e. sugar control panels checkbox matches the reality. Turning it on via the control panel works fine in 8.2. Ton van Overbeek ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Automatic power management disabled in control panel
Hi, Hi all, upgraded to 2414 and realized that the auto power management checkbox in the sugar control panel is unchecked even though the XO seems to show a regular power management behavior. Is this a bug or am I missing something here (e.g. auto power management being a different mode to what's the default setting)? This was a new bug in Trac #8062, which I've just fixed and pushed to Joyride. Thanks! - Chris. -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Libertas firmware on F9 for the XS
On Sep 10 2008, at 11:04, Martin Langhoff was caught saying: Now that I have a F9-based XS build, I've dropped the custom-compiled driver and the firmware for Libertas, hoping to use the stock standard F9. But that might be a bit optimistic :-) After a quick check it looks like the XO images are shipping newer Libertas firmware as you can see below. The XO builds also have a few problems with the Firmware too, so I'm not entirely sure what to do... - F9 libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.111.20.p49-1 - F9/XO (8.2-759) libertas-usb8388-firmware-5.111.22.p18-1 The main question for Libertas experts from the POV of the XS is: what firmware is most stable? On the XS power consumption and sleep are not high priority. Stability and performance over long periods of time is. Also - should I look at replacing / recompiling the driver that F9 ships? (Hoping not...) If you say yes, be aware it is a major maintenance hassle for the already short-handed XS team, so I'll want to know what benefits it brings. I think for both FW and kernel driver, it depends on what features you need. For the XO 8.2 kernel we had to pull forward some patches from the stable 2.6.22 branch that are not upstream to get multicast RX to work properly (#7319). Firmware wise, .22 includes a fix for #7973. ~Deepak -- Deepak Saxena - Kernel Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
On 10 Sep 2008, at 08:27, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I was hoping to see the numbers go the other way with the rainbow fork trick sharing more module code between Activities. Could be worse I guess – I should also test opening N instances of the same Activity and see which way memory usage has moved in that scenario. Now that's worrying. Could you try to disable security (remove /etc/olpc-security)? That will kill the rainbow trick and comparing data should tell us if it's helping memory at all. Sure, retested build 759 with and without /etc/olpc-security, same test procedure as before: With /etc/olpc-security removed, a reboot, and all five Activities launched, free buffers/cache reports 21Mb more is being used (up to 192Mb from 171Mb). Though looking at each Activity's footprint shows a less clear signal where Write-57 and Record-57 actually have a considerably smaller footprint; and Calculate-23, Paint-22, and Moon-4 have a slightly larger footprint (and shared memory is actually reported as having increased). Write-57 with - 15.5% (RES=35m, SHR=13m, DATA=20m) without - 13.8% (RES=31m, SHR=12m, DATA=18m) Record-57 with - 14.2% (RES=32m, SHR=14m, DATA=64m) without - 11.5% (RES=26m, SHR=11m, DATA=61m) Calculate-23 with - 10.6% (RES=24m, SHR=8m, DATA=15m) without - 11.3% (RES=25m, SHR=11m, DATA=13m) Paint-22 with - 10.1% (RES=23m, SHR=8m, DATA=14m) without - 10.6% (RES=24m, SHR=11m, DATA=12m) Moon-4 with - 9.7% (RES=22m, SHR=8m, DATA=13m) without - 10.3% (RES=23m, SHR=11m, DATA=11m) Also I noticed, for some reason, X uses 6-8Mb less resident memory with /etc/olpc-security removed. That was unexpected enough for me to re-check the results several times: /usr/bin/X with - 7.5% (RES=17m, SHR=13m, DATA=9m) with - 7.5% (RES=17m SHR=13m DATA=9m) without - 5.1% (RES=11m, SHR=8m, DATA=9m) without - 4.3% (RES=9m, SHR=7m, DATA=9m) Hmm, so what actually took up the extra 21Mb in total that the rainbow trick does appear to be saving us (considering most of the above items all add up as memory savings when disabling the rainbow trick)? I seem to be generating more questions than answers here! --Gary ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:04 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: b) To reflect the current and near future deployments (including G1G1 2008) and the level of translations that we have in Pootle, the variables get changed to en:es:ar:pl:pt_BR:pt:it:fr:ht:el:mn:mr_IN:th:am_ET:km_KH:ne_NP:ur_PK:rw:ja:de:tr:te:ps:fa_AF:si Both PILGRIM_LOCALES_JFFS2 and PILGRIM_LOCALES_EXT3 need to be changed, since Qemu builds will also need to the translations. I updated the jffs2 setting in joyride with the above locales for the time being. Didn't update ext3 as it looks like that one was purposefully chosen to only include english? Daniel Can the 8.2 series be fixed please ? It still uses the old set of locales. Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:04 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: b) To reflect the current and near future deployments (including G1G1 2008) and the level of translations that we have in Pootle, the variables get changed to en:es:ar:pl:pt_BR:pt:it:fr:ht:el:mn:mr_IN:th:am_ET:km_KH:ne_NP:ur_PK:rw:ja:de:tr:te:ps:fa_AF:si Can we quantify the space tradeoffs here? If localization is taking a significant amount of space, it might eventually be reasonable to install translations *only* for the sugar-related packages, and not for bash, sed, etc. But if they are relatively small, you're right, why not include them all? --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2415
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2415 Changes in build 2415 from build: 2414 Size delta: 0.00M -ohm 0.1.1-6.19.20080910git.olpc3 +ohm 0.1.1-6.20.20080911git.olpc3 --- Changes for ohm 0.1.1-6.20.20080911git.olpc3 from 0.1.1-6.19.20080910git.olpc3 --- + #8062: Bugfix -- look for automaticpm, not automatic_pm. -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eben, I'm resurrecting an old thread here. BTW if you have any more specs or design proposals to share, now is a good time to consider them for 9.1-sugar .84 so send them out. The clipboard specification on the wiki is a good starting place for discussion, I think, and there are a number of tickets open on the subject as well. I see where you are going with this work flow for kids writing on their own then coming together. It could work but it feels like we are forcing the kids to adapt to the technology rather than having the technology adapt to the way kids learn. It's interesting that you see it that way. I'd almost argue it the other way: We're attempting to keep the technology simple by taking advantage of spacial proximity and social interaction, rather than complicating it in ways which make it harder to guarantee robustness. I want to be able to say if nothing else works, manual merge via copy paste will. I think you can probably agree with that sentiment. Having the two instances of the activity open and moving back and forth between them seems especially inelegant. Inelegant, perhaps. But it's also, by definition, the fail-safe solution to the problem. I'm all for creating APIs that enable more intelligent merge behaviors. But some things simply can't be merged. Some activities may not take advantage of these APIs. When nothing else works, we MUST support the simple ability to aggregate content via basic copy/paste. Moreover, I'm not sure that this manual system is as entirely inelegant as you suggest. Most merge software shows a two-up display of differences, side by side, providing info about what to merge. But XO screens are small. In a completely non-technical way, allowing multiple instances to be open at once allows you and I, for instance, to present our individual documents on our own screens, side by side for comparison. Then one or the other of us can copy/paste bits and pieces together as needed. That said, I don't have a better idea readily available :-(. I think we should go back to fundamentals and think this through one more time. Again, I don't think there's more to think through for a first pass. The manual merge capability is an essential part of the system, and the most basic, regardless of what other conveniences we can build up to support these types of use cases. How do kids collaborate on projects with pencil and paper? Is anyone on the list a teacher? I'll run it by my own kids but I think we need to watch this process in action to get a better feel for it. I can't remember any times when my kids wrote something at home then brought it in to class then combined it in to a project. They usually do some research, come up with ideas then write it together in person. Perhaps, but were they using a pencil and paper? If they had typed their ideas up instead, wouldn't they be irritated at having to type it again? Of course, I'm not pushing any particular learning style here. The kids don't have to wind up in a circumstance where a merge is needed. If they never do, great! (But they will, even if they don't intend to...) As long as we offer collaborative software, the case exists, and we need to have a way to handle it smoothly within the system we've built. I, for the record, have collaborated in this way countless times. I believe that when kids get together in a group, one kid takes the lead and does most of the writig while others shout out ideas and make suggestions. It's true that, often, one person is in charge of performing the merge. That's partly because it's been the only way to do it so far. And, in another sense, this is still how it will likely happen. Even if we have several documents open, we might assign a single individual in the group to be the aggregator who does all the copy/pasting. Once finished, everyone closes their own version and continues working in his (and henceforth our) copy. Even if others aren't around to shout out ideas, the fact remains that the only way to do the merge is to open both documents at once! We don't have to imitate how its done now, but maybe watching kids interact will help inform the design. One thing you hear a lot is that kids teach each other how to use the XO better than teachers teach them. What does that look like in detail? One kid leans over and types on another kids keyboard or she tells the other kid what to do? May be the right design is to have each kid open write (or a web page?) and then they click a button and everything on their screen is copied in to the shared version which they now also see. Sort of a fast start option. Then kids edit that down to a final product. A dump everything in then prune it down approach. That's my working methodology (see 9.1 page :-) but my brain is way different than a kids... This is an interesting alternative (or subcase of) a traditional
Re: Stability and Memory Pressure in 8.2
A more accurate test would be to disable the preloading itself rather than disabling isolation but leaving rainbow loading the libraries. :) To do that, see lines 31-32 of /usr/lib/python2.5/site_packages/rainbow/service.py You want to set self.preloader_hint = False and comment out the call to self.preload_common_modules() by putting '#' at the beginning. Regards, Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:04 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: b) To reflect the current and near future deployments (including G1G1 2008) and the level of translations that we have in Pootle, the variables get changed to en:es:ar:pl:pt_BR:pt:it:fr:ht:el:mn:mr_IN:th:am_ET:km_KH:ne_NP:ur_PK:rw:ja:de:tr:te:ps:fa_AF:si Can we quantify the space tradeoffs here? If localization is taking a significant amount of space, it might eventually be reasonable to install translations *only* for the sugar-related packages, and not for bash, sed, etc. But if they are relatively small, you're right, why not include them all? --scott Currently, the size increase will be 6 MB (from 18 MB (seen in 8.2-759) to 24 MB (seen in joyride 2415)). It may be a good idea to strip the translations for sed, bash, etc, but is there any straightforward method to do that ? Thanks, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 01:38:15AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:04 PM, Daniel Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-28 at 15:04 +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: b) To reflect the current and near future deployments (including G1G1 2008) and the level of translations that we have in Pootle, the variables get changed to en:es:ar:pl:pt_BR:pt:it:fr:ht:el:mn:mr_IN:th:am_ET:km_KH:ne_NP:ur_PK:rw:ja:de:tr:te:ps:fa_AF:si Can we quantify the space tradeoffs here? If localization is taking a significant amount of space, it might eventually be reasonable to install translations *only* for the sugar-related packages, and not for bash, sed, etc. But if they are relatively small, you're right, why not include them all? --scott Currently, the size increase will be 6 MB (from 18 MB (seen in 8.2-759) to 24 MB (seen in joyride 2415)). It may be a good idea to strip the translations for sed, bash, etc, but is there any straightforward method to do that ? Thanks, Sayamindu I don't think that there is any specific reason to chop localizations from ext3 (qemu-oriented) images. If anything it's caused headaches for groups needing a localized qemu image. I'm not really sure of what benefits there are as such images are not to be installed on XOs. Are we in agreement on this? Erik ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
Erik Garrison wrote: . I don't think that there is any specific reason to chop localizations from ext3 (qemu-oriented) images. If anything it's caused headaches for groups needing a localized qemu image. I'm not really sure of what benefits there are as such images are not to be installed on XOs. Are we in agreement on this? These images are not to be installed, but certainly can be run on XOs from either USB or SD-card. Anyway, I also believe the localizations should be in the ext3 images. Ton van Overbeek (especially interested in nl_NL ;-)) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [PROPOSAL] Change PILGRIM_LOCALES_* to better reflect the current situation
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:52 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Garrison wrote: . I don't think that there is any specific reason to chop localizations from ext3 (qemu-oriented) images. If anything it's caused headaches for groups needing a localized qemu image. I'm not really sure of what benefits there are as such images are not to be installed on XOs. Are we in agreement on this? These images are not to be installed, but certainly can be run on XOs from either USB or SD-card. Anyway, I also believe the localizations should be in the ext3 images. Ton van Overbeek (especially interested in nl_NL ;-)) +1. I think it just got approved in the relevant trac ticket :-D Cheers, Sayamindu -- Sayamindu Dasgupta [http://sayamindu.randomink.org/ramblings] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
8.1.3 release candidate
I have published build 714, the first (and hopefully only!) release candidate for the 8.1.3 point release, at: http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/714/ You can install it with: olpc-update candidate-714 It is a signed build; it can be used on secured machines. Brief release notes here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_notes/8.1.3 In summary: we fixed our support of Amharic for Ethiopian keyboards, and updated OFW to q2e17 (the latest). --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] latest XS + ltsp
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:14 AM, David Van Assche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are doing a pilot with a bunch of xos and an XS server. I'd like to be able to add LTSP functionality to the same server, (must be FC9) so that it can do that for a couple static computers... do you see any problems mixing XS with LTSP, or should this not be too bad. Throw a lot of RAM on it - everything else should be ok. Be careful with pam , LTSP configuration tools are likely to setup LDAP for user auth, and our XS config will be adding SOTP for user auth. Theory says there is no conflict - but keep your eyes open ;-) Note that these images do have some broken stuff, some of it related to yum/rpm/anaconda infra. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: recognizing a previous connection
Hi all, quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] It is my understanding that deployments with larger schools will be using WAPs and possibly some active antennas (currently a shortage of these). These large schools are more like the G1G1 situation as the pupil moves from one area of the school to another they may connect to another AP. I have informed a person involved with deployment at large schools of this thread (and the other thread). I am hoping they will respond with information about the wireless topography. Actually, you can overcome this in a large school by using a WDS network, or by simply giving all the access points the same name, then as the student moves around the campus they seamlessly switch from AP to AP, as it is effectively the same wireless network. I did this at two schools of ~200-250 students each with a WDS setup (as they didn't have ethernet to the classrooms), and it worked perfectly. If you have ethernet to the classrooms, then APs with the same ESSID would work even better. Details here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC_Niue#Documentation Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ Jeff: Whatchootalkin'boutwillis? Pia: What's Willis? ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Expected date for 8.2.0
Walter Bender wrote: Are we still so wedded to the purity of circles? Simply changing the shape of the icon once a connection is made would go a long way. Maybe morph into a star? or a sun? Or add the ubiquitous parens around the icon a la the indicator light? None of these would adversely impact the color-ID scheme. There has been some discussion on the server-devel list of making a logo for the XS. Perhaps the symbol for a connected school server should match that logo (and a simple mesh should look different -- for me at least this would save, well, a minute per week). The thread starts and restarts at: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2008-September/001896.html http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/server-devel/2008-September/001920.html This might also focus the minds of prospective designers: rather than struggling to incorporate the letters X and S, try to make your logo look like a school. Douglas ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q2e15 and a bricked BTest-2
Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote: I know that newer versions of the OS can't be used on such an old machine and had expected there to be limits for the firmware too, but everything I found on the wiki indicated that all versions are compatible with it (only ATest has limits). Ugh. Verified. e15 bricks a B2. I suspect that when I fixed the board ID table for the upcoming C3 I've somehow broken B2. I'm investigating now. -- Richard A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: 8.1.3 release candidate
C. Scott Ananian wrote: I have published build 714, the first (and hopefully only!) release candidate for the 8.1.3 point release, at: http://download.laptop.org/xo-1/os/candidate/714/ Do not install this or any thing else with newer ( q2e12) firmware on a B2 or it will brick. -- Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] One Laptop Per Child ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Announce: WikipediaEN.xo
Hi, We now have an English offline Wikipedia snapshot, available here: http://dev.laptop.org/~cjb/enwiki/WikipediaEN-2.xo Feedback appreciated! Known bugs are crashes due to out-of-memory conditions when using Joyride builds, and a Rainbow warning dialog due to a Hulahop bug¹. We're thinking about shipping this with G1G1 machines, so let me know if you find pages with inappropriate content (images aren't currently included in the snapshot, so we don't have to worry about those yet). The archive has the top 8,000 English Wikipedia articles as ranked by the Wikipedia 0.7 release team². Thanks to Madeleine Ball for preparing the snapshot, and Martin Walker and the Wikipedia 0.7 release team for making the article selection. - Chris. ¹: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8318 ²: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Release_Version -- Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q2e15 and a bricked BTest-2
Richard A. Smith wrote: Ugh. Verified. e15 bricks a B2. I suspect that when I fixed the board ID table for the upcoming C3 I've somehow broken B2. I'm investigating now. It is hard to avoid having these things happen given all the versions of machines out there. Though it is still more like the early Mac days than the current PC world. When I was downloading e15 the second time to verify that I had the right bits, I did run across a notice that said that e12 was the latest stable version. By then it was too late, of course. -- Jecel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
8.2.0 Release Criteria ECO Documentation
In preparation for shipping an 8.2.0 build to manufacturing, we need to agree on release criteria. To that end, I have stubbed out rough ECO documentation for 8.2.0 at http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ECO/8.2.0 http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ECO/8.2.0/Checklist Please review these pages and offer suggestions on their talk pages so that I can fold your comments into the pages over the next week. So far, the most important changes I have made include: * Stating some of the technical documentation that future stable releases should include and making space for us to try creating that documentation for 8.2.0 at our leisure. * Stating the list of locales and keyboards which I believe must be minimally qualified for 8.2.0. See http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Mstone/Notes/Localization_1 for notes on what I mean by 'release X is qualified for locale Y'. * Created a test item for documentation signoff on the manual and activities signoff on the derivative builds. * Created final test items for release criteria including: 1 week of community testing all recent bugs triaged no 8.2.0 blockers release notes signoff What have I missed? Michael ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2416
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2416 Changes in build 2416 from build: 2415 Size delta: -0.13M -fedora-release 9-3.1 +fedora-release 9-5.transition.1 --- Changes for fedora-release 9-5.transition.1 from 9-3.1 --- + Update OLPC fork to 5.transition. + transition state between old and new key -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [Server-devel] XS Splashscreen / logo
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:00 PM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 6:48 PM, Jeff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll write up some details as soon as I can, and announce it on the OLPC artwork wiki too. *Fantastic*. After seeing your logo, I started thinking of where would we put a logo - a quick rundown of the spots I think we'll have one... Ok - it does look like my quest to avoid graphical installers is doomed. Visual people, rejoice! I've put together a page on the wiki to organise this. The main thing is that we need a bunch a logo and some imagery to identify the XS. It makes sense to link the XS identity with what kids select in the network view. Right now, we have concentric circles which mean mesh, which can be simple mesh or xs mesh. To cmplicate things further, in many (most) locations people will use APs to connect to the XS. Hmmm. anyway - in general, whan I am after is an icon/logo that * displays as identifier on the webbased tools that the XS provides (moodle, mediawiki, etc) * (if we can sort out the issues outlined before...) provide a matching identity when kids select the school server signal in the 'networks' view With the logo, we'll need imagery to * make the XS installation process beautiful * print and stick on our development boxes! I've put my notes, plus sample images of the Fedora stuff we want to replace, here: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Help_with_logos cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
New joyride build 2417
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build2417 Changes in build 2417 from build: 2416 Size delta: 0.13M -iptables-ipv6 1.4.1.1-1.fc9 +iptables-ipv6 1.4.1.1-2.fc9 -MAKEDEV 3.23-4 +MAKEDEV 3.23-5.fc9 -enchant 1:1.4.2-1.fc9 +enchant 1:1.4.2-2.fc9 -iptables 1.4.1.1-1.fc9 +iptables 1.4.1.1-2.fc9 -libcurl 7.18.2-1.fc9 +libcurl 7.18.2-5.fc9 -mpfr 2.3.0-3.fc9 +mpfr 2.3.1-1.fc9 --- Changes for MAKEDEV 3.23-5.fc9 from 3.23-4 --- + Make sure we have getent installed for our %pre section. --- Changes for iptables 1.4.1.1-2.fc9 from 1.4.1.1-1.fc9 --- + fixed TOS value mask problem (rhbz#456244) (upstream patch) + two more cloexec fixes -- This mail was automatically generated See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride-pkgs.html for aggregate logs See http://dev.laptop.org/~rwh/announcer/joyride_vs_update1.html for a comparison ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: q2e15 and a bricked BTest-2
Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote: It is hard to avoid having these things happen given all the versions of machines out there. Though it is still more like the early Mac days than the current PC world. When I was downloading e15 the second time to verify that I had the right bits, I did run across a notice that said that e12 was the latest stable version. By then it was too late, of course. All 'e' series firmware will brick any machine using a Geode GX (B1 B2) so e12 would have not have saved you. B2's have been unsupported for quite a while now and we don't do any testing on them. Nor do we care to since we don't have the resources. If you make and account on the developer program website and say you have a B2 that you want replaced we will send you a new MP machine. Make sure there is some sort of project listed with your request. -- Richard A. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Libertas firmware on F9 for the XS
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:37 AM, Ricardo Carrano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The release notes can be acessed here: http://www.laptop.org/teamwiki/index.php/Tech:FW_8388_RELEASE_NOTES 22.p18 is the current version in joyride. Anything older than 22.p14 is not recommended at all (quite the opposite). Thanks for the link. There isn't much info on stability. - Which of those releases are considered usable? - Which one would be the lowest risk for the XS? - Is any of those releases known to work well with the stock F9 kernel? - Is any of those releases known to survive long periods of time working? (I am seeing a nightly lockup with the AA here, on little or no traffic - and people tell me that we have a usb bus reset on the XO to workaround a similar condition.) cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Libertas firmware on F9 for the XS
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Deepak Saxena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main question for Libertas experts from the POV of the XS is: what firmware is most stable? On the XS power consumption and sleep are not high priority. Stability and performance over long periods of time is. Also - should I look at replacing / recompiling the driver that F9 ships? (Hoping not...) If you say yes, be aware it is a major maintenance hassle for the already short-handed XS team, so I'll want to know what benefits it brings. I think for both FW and kernel driver, it depends on what features you need. Thanks for the links to bugs! For the XO 8.2 kernel we had to pull forward some patches from the stable 2.6.22 branch that are not upstream to get multicast RX to work properly (#7319). Interesting - from what I read there, the driver in the stock kernel might work better with an earlier firmware, is that correct? Is there an easy way to test whether multicast is working? Firmware wise, .22 includes a fix for #7973. ... I don't think it is present in the fw that ships w F9. cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Videochat - any status?
Hi all, I have a great need for the video chat application to use for remote speech pathology and other services to remote communities through chat. Does anyone know the status of this project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat It looks like nothing has happened with it for several months. If there is anyone leading this, could they post a status of the project? Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ I dig your vibe. - Rove McManus to Ice T ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Videochat - any status?
Pia, Alex looked into this in July, I don't think much has been done with the original videochat code since the last git commit: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/video-chat-activity;a=summary SJ On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Pia Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a great need for the video chat application to use for remote speech pathology and other services to remote communities through chat. Does anyone know the status of this project: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Video_Chat It looks like nothing has happened with it for several months. If there is anyone leading this, could they post a status of the project? Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Australia http://olpc.org.au/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ I dig your vibe. - Rove McManus to Ice T ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
[Server-devel] Creating a spin - any mechanisms around $product-release, $product-release-notes, $product-logos packages...?
I'm finishing off the F9 port of the OLPC School Server, and as part of that I'm preparing xs-release, xs-release-notes and xs-logos packages. As far as I can see, these are pulled because they provide system-release and system-logos. fedora-release-notes is pulled in by fedora-release, and perhaps by something depending on indexhtml (httpd?). My key question is: will anything in the Fedora machinery (anaconda, rpm, yum) be looking for a magic product name, and then try to use it to request $product-release? (I ask to be safe - recently got very confused by anaconda not upgrading Fedora-based spins due to mismatching 'product' between .discinfo and /etc/redhat-release . Knowing these special rules is important ;-) and I have not found yet any document laying out the subtle traps awaiting anyone doing a Fedora derivative as I am doing...) cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
Re: [Server-devel] Update ejabberd package
Le mercredi 10 septembre 2008 à 14:44 +0100, Guillaume Desmottes a écrit : FYI, I'm working on #5310 and hope to have a package creating automatically the shared roster soon. I hacked a ejabberd module and we are now able to create the shared roster using 2 commands. Problem is, we can't execute them as RPM post install commands (see http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/5310#comment:10 for details). So, maybe we could provide a script creating the shared roster once the server name has been configured in ejabberd.cfg? That would make configuration lot easier for users as they won't have to deal with the web interface anymore. Thoughts? G. ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel
