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Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:45:31AM -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: 2.5. Download: http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-1.xo Tested on build 625 on a B4, works okay, problems you probably already know about: 1. the Start/Stop text legend disappears when the cursor is over it and

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Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 James Cameron wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:45:31AM -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: 2.5. Download: http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/StopWatchActivity-1.xo Tested on build 625 on a B4, works okay, problems you probably already know about:

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Eben Eliason
Is there a reason you haven't made the clock and the stopwatch different functions for a single activity? I second that. I think these could be integrated - Eben Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.cc/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
I'm so glad you got around to doing this! Such tool are badly needed on the laptop. Is there a reason you haven't made the clock and the stopwatch different functions for a single activity? Regards, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.cc/ signature.asc Description:

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Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Mitch Bradley
Eben Eliason wrote: Is there a reason you haven't made the clock and the stopwatch different functions for a single activity? I second that. I think these could be integrated While you're at it, how about integrating the camera activity with it, so it could be like Dick Tracy's

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Hal Murray
While you're at it, how about integrating the camera activity with it, so it could be like Dick Tracy's 2-way wrist TV. :-) The original message included Obsessive accuracy, so maybe this option would be appropriate: First Atomic Clock Wristwatch

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Eben Eliason
I thought about this a bit more, and think that there may be a valid split between what might be called Clock and Time (currently StopWatch) activities. Clock's primary purpose would be to display a large clock. It would likely have digital and analog modes, but could probably choose one or the

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Benjamin, 1. Clock is non-interactive. It doesn't make sense to share it, or save it to the journal, so I've disabled those features. Human being is good at finding differences, but drawing similarity out of seemingly different things is more fun if you know it. 2. I like small programs

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
What do people think of this distinction? To my prejudice, it sounds like a bad idea. If you have to do some operations on the laptop and wait many seconds just to check the current time, that sounds bad, too. There was an idea of having a little clock in the Sugar frame. How about

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Eben, If you have to do some operations on the laptop and wait many seconds just to check the current time, that sounds bad, too. The clock activity is wholly independent in my perspective from having a clock in Sugar. We still intend to incorporate that - the overhead of launching

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Eben Eliason
To my prejudice, it sounds like a bad idea. If you have to do some operations on the laptop and wait many seconds just to check the current time, that sounds bad, too. The clock activity is wholly independent in my perspective from having a clock in Sugar. We still intend to incorporate

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Benj. Mako Hill
quote who=Eben Eliason date=Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 01:48:44PM -0500 I thought about this a bit more, and think that there may be a valid split between what might be called Clock and Time (currently StopWatch) activities. I agree with your analysis. There are several important ways in which a

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Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: We still intend to incorporate that - the overhead of launching an activity is silly. More precision would make this particular comment more helpful. How low an overhead (in seconds and MB of RAM IO) are we aiming for? What are

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Nov 14, 2007 4:07 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: We still intend to incorporate that - the overhead of launching an activity is silly. More precision would make this particular comment more helpful. How low an

Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)

2007-11-14 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Nov 14, 2007, at 22:37 , Eben Eliason wrote: I'm talking, really, about interaction overhead. In order to see the current time I should press a key, or make a gesture with the mouse, or something similar. I shouldn't have to find the clock activity wherever that might be, click to launch

Re: [PyCON-Organizers] OLPCs not considerate wireless users

2007-11-14 Thread Rob Savoye
Noah Kantrowitz wrote: We can always lock the mesh interface to a single channel, and keep the normal APs on the two others. Also turning down the Tx power will reduce interference with normal 802.11b/g. As an absolute fall-back, there is a snippet of commands on the wiki to disable the

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hal Murray wrote: Obsessive accuracy. What's your version of Obsessive? Seconds? Milliseconds? Microseconds? I have no desire to do better than 0.01s. Human reaction times are an order of magnitude slower than that anyway. What I meant is, I

Re: [PyCON-Organizers] OLPCs not considerate wireless users

2007-11-14 Thread Javier Cardona
Rob, After brainstorming with some other folks at Hacker's, our feeling is the problem was caused by having multiple APs with the same identical SSID, but multiple MACs. This should be easy to reproduce if you can reconfigure several APs without causing other problems. :-) It would be a

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Mitch Bradley
Eben Eliason wrote: On Nov 14, 2007 4:07 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 02:36:08PM -0500, Eben Eliason wrote: We still intend to incorporate that - the overhead of launching an activity is silly. More precision would make this particular

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:03:08PM -0500, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: It takes some time to process your mouse click, and under heavier CPU load, that time may be long enough that the time label continues to redraw before it can be stopped. Good. I suspected as such, based on your original

Re: [laptop.org #1581] StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Danny Clark
So it doesn't look like there is consensus on this yet - Mako - since you seem to be following this (and I'm at a conference), could you ping me when you think consensus has been reached? Thanks, -- Daniel Clark # Sys Admin, One Laptop per Child # http://laptop.org # http://opensysadmin.com #

Activity Testing: PLEASE READ

2007-11-14 Thread Greg DeKoenigsberg
Calling all activity developers! We need more testing on activities. We also need more volunteers. I'm working on a project that, with luck, will help us with both. http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Activity_Testing_Project The goals: * Welcome new participants to OLPC * For each activity,

New joyride build 276

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project idea: Interactive-Sugar-Online-Simulation (ISOS)

2007-11-14 Thread Christoph Derndorfer
Hello, I just stumbled across a very interesting comment by Eduardo Montez over on OLPCnews.com (http://www.olpcnews.com/laptops/xo1/olpc_news_100_laptop_fundraising_drive.html): off topic: I just got an idea for showing people what Sugar can do. Some should put up an interactive web site

Re: StopWatch activity

2007-11-14 Thread Jim Gettys
Note that X button and keyboard events have timestamps, in milliseconds. (This wraps in some hundreds of days, but I doubt anyone will use the stopwatch that long; you do have to worry in principle about doing modulus arithmetic, though IIRC, X servers generally have been using time since the

Upgrading the kernel

2007-11-14 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Hi! I am trying to upgrade the kernel of a XO, but something is missing: According to the wiki: rpm -ivh kernel-rpm cp -a /boot/* /versions/boot/current/boot/ But the files are not being installed on the /boot, so the cp returns that every file is the same. If I do 'rpm -qi kernel' both

Re: clocks, watches, stopwatches, chronometers

2007-11-14 Thread Asheesh Laroia
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Ed Montgomery wrote: (Or is it possible to get started on that using the liveCD?) Since I'm in Japan at the moment, my XO is being shipped to my home address in Canada, so it may be some time before I can tackle this. FWIW I'm on vacation in Tokyo until Monday evening,

Please ignore: Upgrading the kernel

2007-11-14 Thread Ricardo Carrano
If someone gets this, please ignore it. I'd sent it to the wrong address. Thks! --- Hi! I am trying to upgrade the kernel of a XO, but something is missing: According to the wiki: rpm -ivh kernel-rpm cp -a /boot/* /versions/boot/current/boot/ But the files are not being

New joyride build 277

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peripherals digest Vol 1

2007-11-14 Thread Arjun Sarwal
Hi all, This is a (low frequency) compiled update of all peripherals related developments of the community. In this issue - * [Message1] Meet

Re: project idea: Interactive-Sugar-Online-Simulation (ISOS)

2007-11-14 Thread John (J5) Palmieri
On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 01:59 +0100, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Hello, I just stumbled across a very interesting comment by Eduardo Montez over on OLPCnews.com (http://www.olpcnews.com/laptops/xo1/olpc_news_100_laptop_fundraising_drive.html): off topic: I just got an idea for showing

Re: project idea: Interactive-Sugar-Online-Simulation (ISOS)

2007-11-14 Thread Todd Kelsey
Wonderful! Suggest: Making a wiki page on wiki.laptop.org, called ISOS - on a subtitle, put Interactive Sugar Online Simulation without the dashes as a subtitle, copy in information from email (without email addresses) Great idea. Suggesting putting external links, investigating thoughts such as

Re: Telling time (was: StopWatch activity)

2007-11-14 Thread Albert Cahalan
Bert Freudenberg writes: I question the very assumption that continuously telling the time is even remotely important on a learning machine for kids in elementary school age. Dealing with time is a critical life skill that must be learned. Having a clock is thus very important. Keeping the