New faster build 1790

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1790 Changes in build 1790 from build: 1789 Size delta: 0.00M -kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 +kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 -olpc-utils 0.70-1.olpc2 +olpc-utils 0.71-1.olpc2 --- Changes for kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 from 1.12-23.olpc2 --- + get the proper files. a w

New joyride build 1790

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1790 Changes in build 1790 from build: 1789 Size delta: -0.14M -kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 +kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 -olpc-utils 0.70-1.olpc2 +olpc-utils 0.71-1.olpc2 --- Changes for kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 from 1.12-23.olpc2 --- + get the proper files. a

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread John Gilmore
> The second thing is basic UI usability. The pop-around menu border makes the > UI > thoroughly unusable with the trackpad http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/4910 covers this issue and more. ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.lapto

Re: Sharing behavior in the core Read activity

2008-03-21 Thread John Watlington
It is a known problem that the Read activity doesn't automatically store a copy of the shared document in the Journal. Read has bigger problems. I haven't been able to get it to share the document properly in test after test. wad On Mar 21, 2008, at 10:54 AM, James Simmons wrote: > I am tryin

1789 - sugar does not boot

2008-03-21 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
Once upon a time my OLPC laptop (G1G1) was reliable. No longer. I've been dual-booting it, by installing a recent Joyride build plus a recent Update.1 build. But the most recent Joyride builds do not boot for me: The symptom seen most often is that the circle of dots gets drawn, then the d

JS-Python Communication using PyXPCom

2008-03-21 Thread Manusheel Gupta
FYI Regards, Manu Manusheel Gupta Technical Consultant and Adviser One Laptop Per Child Inc. http://laptop.org -- Forwarded message -- From: Luke Closs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 1:27 AM Subject: Re: hello To: Joshua McKenty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTE

New update.1 build 702

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build702 Changes in build 702 from build: 701 Size delta: -0.14M -kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 +kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 --- Changes for kbd 1.12-24.olpc2 from 1.12-23.olpc2 --- + get the proper files. a wget of the the url resulted in a html file + n

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread david
On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, John R.Hogerhuis wrote: > > I'd agree with Mitch. Performance, or for us, UI responsiveness, the most > visible and painful issue being start up time of applications is paramount. My > 4-year old, with no cushy performant computer experience, loses interest in > the > 10 sec

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.03.2008 02:09, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> if Windows runs faster >> > ... > >> once somebody has a child-friendly UI for Windows >> > > You are going from "if" to "when" with absolutely n

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if Windows runs faster ... > once somebody has a child-friendly UI for Windows You are going from "if" to "when" with absolutely no support from facts. I agree with John's concern and desire for better performa

New faster build 1789

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1789 Changes in build 1789 from build: 1788 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2d14-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned -kbd 1.12-22.fc7 +kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 --- Changes for bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2d14-1.olpc2.unsigned -

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
On 22.03.2008 00:30, John R.Hogerhuis wrote: > I'd agree with Mitch. Performance, or for us, UI responsiveness, the most > visible and painful issue being start up time of applications is paramount. My > 4-year old, with no cushy performant computer experience, loses interest in > the > 10 seconds

Re: [sugar] Summer of Code update, meeting tomorrow 2100 UTC

2008-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Samuel Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > of quick discussions about SoC tomorrow (saturday) at 2100 UTC / 1700 EST in > #olpc. Please join us to share advice to share from SoC's past, find out Fantastic - I will be there to discuss XS stuff :-) cheers, m --

Summer of Code update, meeting tomorrow 2100 UTC

2008-03-21 Thread Samuel Klein
Dear all, We are participating in Google Summer of Code again this year, and now accepting applications from mentors. We are holding the first of a series of quick discussions about SoC tomorrow (saturday) at 2100 UTC / 1700 EST in #olpc. Please join us to share advice to share from SoC's past,

New joyride build 1789

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1789 Changes in build 1789 from build: 1788 Size delta: 0.00M -bootfw q2d14-1.olpc2.unsigned +bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned -kbd 1.12-22.fc7 +kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 --- Changes for bootfw q2d14a-1.olpc2.unsigned from q2d14-1.olpc2.unsigned

Re: New faster build 1788

2008-03-21 Thread Gary Oberbrunner
Build Announcer v2 wrote: > http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1788 Hi folks; I missed something along the line -- what's the difference between the "faster" stream and "joyride"? I guess I can switch from one stream to the other? thx, -- Gary Oberbrunner __

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is still the plan for Update.2 to be about the most urgent needs from > the deployments? Scott - what's the release naming scheme? What will the bugfix release post update.1 be called, versus the next feature release? P

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread John R . Hogerhuis
I'd agree with Mitch. Performance, or for us, UI responsiveness, the most visible and painful issue being start up time of applications is paramount. My 4-year old, with no cushy performant computer experience, loses interest in the 10 seconds+ it takes to load activities. Even the calculator takes

Re: Maintaining Activity Packs

2008-03-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Stone wrote: | * to the extent that we are able, we should record the compatibility | matrix between builds and activities Once upon a time, there was going to be a build called "First Release to Service", and its number was to be 1. ~Fr

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Bryan Berry
Mitch Bradley wrote: >I think that Update.2 should be about 3 things: >3) Performance >2) Performance >1) Performance I second that. Update.2 should be about optimizing Sugar and its dependencies, not adding new features. My 2 cents. -- Bryan W. Berry Systems Engineer OLE Nepal, http://www.ole

Maintaining Activity Packs

2008-03-21 Thread Michael Stone
Dear devel, While drafting release notes for Update.1 RC2 (signed update.1-699), we realized that we need a good story about what we want the ecosystem of activity and library packs (for use with the customization key [1]) to be. The rough sense emerging from the folks I've interviewed so far (dg

New update.1 build 701

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://pilgrim.laptop.org/~pilgrim/olpc/streams/update.1/build701 Changes in build 701 from build: 700 Size delta: -0.13M -telepathy-salut 0.2.2-5.olpc2 +telepathy-salut 0.2.3-1.olpc2 -kbd 1.12-22.fc7 +kbd 1.12-23.olpc2 -sugar-presence-service 0.75.2-1.olpc2 +sugar-presence-service 0.75.4-1.olpc

New faster build 1788

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/faster/build1788 Changes in build 1788 from build: 1785 Size delta: 0.39M -eject 2.1.5-6.fc7 +eject 2.1.5-7.fc7 -espeak 1.31-4.fc7 +espeak 1.31-5.fc7 -gtk2 2.10.14-3.fc7 +gtk2 2.10.14-4.fc7 -krb5-libs 1.6.1-8.fc7 +krb5-libs 1.6.1-9.fc7 -libdhcp 1.24-

New joyride build 1788

2008-03-21 Thread Build Announcer v2
http://xs-dev.laptop.org/~cscott/olpc/streams/joyride/build1788 Changes in build 1788 from build: 1784 Size delta: 0.27M -eject 2.1.5-6.fc7 +eject 2.1.5-7.fc7 -espeak 1.31-4.fc7 +espeak 1.31-5.fc7 -gtk2 2.10.14-3.fc7 +gtk2 2.10.14-4.fc7 -krb5-libs 1.6.1-8.fc7 +krb5-libs 1.6.1-9.fc7 -libdhcp 1.24

Re: Interest in GSOC 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Alex Escalona
Thanks for the reply, Tomeu. I will be sure to contribute to the topics to the best of my ability. I'm looking forward to the meeting, as well as to helping advance OLPC's mission, however possible. Best, Alex On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/3/21

Re: Interest in GSOC 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
2008/3/21 Alex Escalona <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hi, > > I am writing to express interest in the GSoC 2008 mentorship offered by the > One Laptop Per Child association. I am a first-year graduate student in > computer science at the Illinois Institute of Technology's MSCS program. My > disciplinary i

Interest in GSOC 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Alex Escalona
Hi, I am writing to express interest in the GSoC 2008 mentorship offered by the One Laptop Per Child association. I am a first-year graduate student in computer science at the Illinois Institute of Technology's MSCS program. My disciplinary interests include general topics in the broad field of co

Re: Sharing behavior in the core Read activity

2008-03-21 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi James, > Another thing I remember reading is that if two kids share an activity > and one has an older version of the activity than the other, the older > version gets updated so they both have the newer version. This > doesn't > seem to be happening. I have two test machines, one running x

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hmm, yesterday I executed free after launching some activities and got this results: http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/sugar/2008-March/004650.html Am I very wrong to think that we can save 3.6MB per python activity instance? Tomeu On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:21 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread NoiseEHC
It is the problem that every page will be modified (and so copied) if it contains a reference count so the metadata effectively cannot be shared. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2007-September/006617.html Also mentioned in (point 9.) http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/community-news/2007-Fe

Project Hosting request: ISIS

2008-03-21 Thread Roberto Fagá
1. Project name : Incredibly Simple Interactive Storytelling 2. Existing website, if any : http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ISIS 3. One-line description : ISIS is a platform to develop interactive stories. 4. Longer description : ISIS is a platform to allow chil

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 6:50 PM, NoiseEHC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Could somebody answer these questions? > 1. What is the status of zlib -> lzo transition in jffs2? > 2. What is the status of the new X architecture? (The name is DRM but I > am not sure.) > 3. What is the status of the shar

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread NoiseEHC
Could somebody answer these questions? 1. What is the status of zlib -> lzo transition in jffs2? 2. What is the status of the new X architecture? (The name is DRM but I am not sure.) 3. What is the status of the shared page python stuff? Will the reference count problem will be solved in Python 3

Re: Switching between Arabic and French

2008-03-21 Thread Arjun Sarwal
> One other comment, just a nit really: it surprised me that the mapping > of to [ISO_Next_Group, ISO_Prev_Group] was put into each of the > main language files rather than once in the option file and then > reflected in the rules as needed. This wasn't true for group mappings on > my Ubuntu Linux

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:55 PM, Tomeu Vizoso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is still the plan for Update.2 to be about the most urgent needs from > the deployments? Perhaps I wrote the call for papers too narrowly. Certainly every stable release will continue to include fixes for pressing deploy

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Is still the plan for Update.2 to be about the most urgent needs from the deployments? Tomeu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
I sense that this is gonna be a looong thread C. Scott Ananian wrote: > On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I think that Update.2 should be about 3 things: >> 3) Performance >> 2) Performance >> 1) Performance >> > > Mechanisms to achieve

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Mitch Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that Update.2 should be about 3 things: > 3) Performance > 2) Performance > 1) Performance Mechanisms to achieve those performance goals are worthy candidates for a talk! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) _

Mini-Conference Proposal: olpcfs

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
One major frustration with the existing datastore implementation is that is unfriendly to legacy applications: you can't easily use the command-line to browse through it, and you can't save a file from an unmodified linux application into the journal. I propose a filesystem design, called olpcfs f

Re: Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread Mitch Bradley
I think that Update.2 should be about 3 things: 3) Performance 2) Performance 1) Performance C. Scott Ananian wrote: > As we draw the update.1 process to a close, we need to start thinking > about where we want to go with Update.2 and beyond. There are lots of > great ideas, both here at 1cc and

Call for Papers/Talks/Ideas! "Update.2 Mini-Conference"

2008-03-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
As we draw the update.1 process to a close, we need to start thinking about where we want to go with Update.2 and beyond. There are lots of great ideas, both here at 1cc and in the community, about our architecture and UI. It's hard to compare ideas when they live in the heads of small groups of

Re: State of Update.1 on March 20, 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Michael Stone
Bernie reported on Wednesday that new demands on his time make it impossible for him to commit to closing bugs on our accelerated timelines. However, it looks like a fairly simple packaging change is required. Either Dennis or I should be able to take care of it. We'll see who wins the race. :) Mi

Re: State of Update.1 on March 20, 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Michael Stone
Sjoerd, > This one is fixed in the latest salut packages. Please ensure that you > test that too :) (See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6728) My TST designator means that the bug requires testing _in a release candidate build_. It's helpful and encouraging to know that the new salut package is beli

Sharing behavior in the core Read activity

2008-03-21 Thread James Simmons
I am trying to give Read Etexts the same sharing behavior that core Read has, using mostly the same code. Until this week I didn't have a good way to test sharing, but I have set up multiple instances of sugar-jhbuild on one of my computers so now I can test sharing. My sugar installation is

Re: State of Update.1 on March 20, 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Walter Bender
#5841 should really be fixed. The console in Spanish is hobbled without it. If we don't have an eloquent way to do it up stream today, let's target that for Update.2, but fork the patch today. If we can get 701 signed for testing out the door today, we can get 600 teachers test it for us next week

Re: State of Update.1 on March 20, 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Sjoerd Simons
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 02:39:29AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > #6575 TSTcollabora (chat receives message but can't send anymore) This one is fixed in the latest salut packages. Please ensure that you test that too :) (See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6728) Sjoerd -- Life is the chi

Re: State of Update.1 on March 20, 2008

2008-03-21 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #6170 ???uwog(shared write crashes) > #6407 ???marco (Write crashes when sharing and add an image) #6407 is probably a dup of #6170. #6170 should be PKG. uwog is going to build rpms. Marco