Re: Computer vision on the XO: what it is. what should it be?

2008-07-22 Thread Brian Jordan
Hey Nirav, games, devel! On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:43 PM, Nirav Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm writing computer vision functions for Pygame (available at > http://git.n0r.org/?p=pygame-nrp;a=summary ), and I've gotten to the > point where I very much need community input on where to go ne

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While I'm convinced that protocol buffers and their supporting code > generators are cute, I'm also convinced that the real issue in the IPC > space is not "what marshalling format do you use?" but is, instead, > "what tool

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:56:39AM -0400, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos wrote: > On another note, should we look into Google's protobufs > (http://code.google.com/p/protobuf/) to be used as structures to be > passed in inter-process calls? While I'm convinced that protocol buffers and their sup

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos
Michael's report resonates with me perfectly. I 'm trying to contribute to a rather core part of Sugar, its collaboration system, but I can't because the time required to master and use the various layers I need to work with has been prohibitive. On the other hand, circumventing the layers alto

Re: [OLPC-Games] Computer vision on the XO: what it is. what should it be?

2008-07-22 Thread Ixo X oxI
Nirav, Great ideas... here are some thoughts and notes when IsForInsects and I did some discussions, some research... then ran out of time to actually program it. :) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Ixo/Project/Webcam -iXo On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 19:43, Nirav Patel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin (for David Leeming)

2008-07-22 Thread Robert Myers
David, I tried to send this to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' but it was bounced. I hope you see it here. > I am looking for the right rpms to install for the Java plugin > > java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin > > For a G1G1 XO-1 build 703, previously advertised method did not work; Sorry, this is a catch-22 case.

Computer vision on the XO: what it is. what should it be?

2008-07-22 Thread Nirav Patel
I'm writing computer vision functions for Pygame (available at http://git.n0r.org/?p=pygame-nrp;a=summary ), and I've gotten to the point where I very much need community input on where to go next. Basically, I would like to know what you want to be able to do with the camera on the XO, whether its

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-07-22 Thread Faisal Anwar
I think if the gtk clipboard has the functionality, then I'll just document some examples for that and reference to the larger body of work available online. I guess there is less direct relevance for the sugar clipboardservice api right now when it comes to sharing stuff between activities (from t

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael's analysis is useful inasmuch we can read it going forward. As > Michael, I wasn't here 2 years ago, but I have been on the ground on > many projects under tight deadlines. It's not helpful to pontificate > on the

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:02 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I disagree because I think that the approach we have taken has made it >> much harder for others to help us. For a project like Sugar, this

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:46 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I disagree because I think that the approach we have taken has made it > much harder for others to help us. For a project like Sugar, this > ultimately results is less software of less quality in the same > timeframe. At le

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:31:24PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > > Michael Stone wrote: > > | 5) Sugar is built on technologies that incentivize its developers to > > | recompute prior results which could be cached

Re: NAND out of space bikeshed

2008-07-22 Thread John Gilmore
What a bikeshed... Could mgmt please assign one person to push this to resolution? > We need both the reliability in Sugar/Journal > and decent handling of "disk-full boot". For Uruguay, you can't fix it til it can boot. Thus, any small change that makes the machine boot up is an enabler. A si

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:31:24PM -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > | 5) Sugar is built on technologies that incentivize its developers to > | recompute prior results which could be cached across boots. > > Sugar was intended to write to disk absolutely as little as possi

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 1:49 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my > reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are > a few initial comments. > > 1) Sugar could better hold contributors if it (a

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I regard "fully pythonic" python data as a subgraph of a > reference-counted object graph. So far as I know, Python has lots of > interesting ways to parse bytestreams into object graphs, but no great > way to read an obje

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Stone wrote: | 5) Sugar is built on technologies that incentivize its developers to | recompute prior results which could be cached across boots. Sugar was intended to write to disk absolutely as little as possible, and also to reboot as infre

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my > reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are > a few initial comments. Excellent analysis. +1 on it, and a couple of mino

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 08:01:02PM -0400, Ivan Krstić wrote: > On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Michael Stone wrote: >> Python lacks support for loading data without unmarshalling >> it from bytestreams. > > Can you clarify what specifically you mean with this point? I regard "fully pythonic" pyth

Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
Apologies for the immediate self-reply, but Marco pointed out to me that I left out one important piece of context: All of the issues I raise above were selected, in part, because I believe that they are incrementally fixable. Some require adjustments to underlying technologies, some require chang

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Jul 22, 2008, at 7:49 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > Python lacks support for loading data without unmarshalling > it from bytestreams. Can you clarify what specifically you mean with this point? -- Ivan Krstić <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://radian.org __

Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are a few initial comments. 1) Sugar could better hold contributors if it (and its web presence) were designed to be extended and to highlight external contrib

olpcgames SVGSprite bug + fix

2008-07-22 Thread Alex Levenson
Hello, I've been using olpcgames for some physics + puzzle games I'm writing. I just started using the SVGSprite class but I kept on getting an error when using it. I realized that in the SVGSprite class a module named 'svg' is imported, AND a local variable is named svg. So when you call svg.rend

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: >>> >>> If you mean "user files" then the problem is that there is never a >>> correct heuristic. > > Please remember that the only goal that this work MUST ach

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 06:54:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: >> If you mean "user files" then the problem is that there is never a >> correct heuristic. Please remember that the only goal that this work MUST achieve is to be less costly to our deployments and less painful to kids than a FULL REF

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Martin Langhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost > > half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly e

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Carol Lerche
Perhaps the browser should police transfer size on download and check for sufficient space before proceeding? I'm guessing this would eliminate most of the out-of-space conditions prospectively, though it doesn't remove the need to provide the "get out of jail" solution that has been the topic of

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost > half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly encourage the > user to deal with the issue. It's not the flat out guarantee we need

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
But, assuming we can actually boot into usable Sugar, we've solved almost half the battle, since the non-modal alert can then strongly encourage the user to deal with the issue. It's not the flat out guarantee we need to have, but it's a pretty darn good usable solution for many cases. Mostly, th

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread Ankur Verma
Message is in the format Nick_Name:Message. Though its true that Nicknames are not unique across a school, but it is the only way to specify XO in a user-friendly manner. If XO is not currently connected, a SMS autoreply will be sent indicating XO is not present in the mesh. One of the use cases w

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
I'm skeptical about how well this will work in practice. In our initial discussions of a heuristic for deciding what the Journal /recommends/ for deletion (note, it doesn't have to automatically delete without consent, per se), we thought that activities should be extremely low on the list, based

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Martin, > how about removing obvious cache files instead - so we can combine > this with Erik's? /var/cache has several candidates we know are > safe (yum dirs) and > .sugar/default/org.laptop.WebActivity/data/gecko/Cache/ I'm happy to do this *as well*, and should probably also lo

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
This is not meant as an implementation suggestion, but as a philosophy-of-purging comment: Greg listed some requirements, among them: > - Must not disable any activities or other functionality The discussion mentioned that in Uruguay it was precisely 'Activities' that often filled the NAND. To

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event Chris, how about removing obvious cache files instead - so we can combine this with Erik's? /var/cache has several candidates we know are safe (yum dir

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
Actually, Tomeu, What's the state of #7220? It's still open, but I thought this was already taken care of by including a "default" activities.default in the build, so that even if the country doesn't supply one, kids don't get an empty screen. I agree that G1G1 is a place where this problem is mos

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread Bastien
"Eben Eliason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Additionally, in most scenarios, the update will include an "activity pack" > as > well, which includes a country-specified list of default favorites, preventing > the "empty" Home screen. Good to know! The "empty" Home screen was really disturbing.

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Gary C Martin
On 22 Jul 2008, at 17:03, John Watlington wrote: > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm getting three images right now. >>> >>> One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activiti

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
That's still a separate issue than the one I bring up. They are both important. My feeling is that the one covered by #7220 is actually less likely in the deployments, because the activities (and, I assume, their defaults file) will almost always be country supplied. Shall a new ticket for this

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. > > It > > will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. > > Additionally, in most scenarios,

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
eben wrote: > Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. It > will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. thanks. i now understand where the missing ones were. they just weren't "starred". > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:42 PM, C. Scott

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:05 AM, C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the record, I oppose the unionfs solution for the "real fix", Erik's solution is not the real fix but it is better than cjb's - if he can get it going soon, even with a dialogue on start up saying "delete something!

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Eben Eliason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. It > will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. > Additionally, in most scenarios, the update will include an "activity pack

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 02:38:22PM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event > > that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
Right, this edge case was brought to my attention by Greg the other day. It will only happen once...in future updates, favorites are preserved. Additionally, in most scenarios, the update will include an "activity pack" as well, which includes a country-specified list of default favorites, preven

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:05:33PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > We should distinguish at least three solution spaces: > a) UY's solution, based on a small patch to 656 > b) A solution to include in 8.2 > c) The "real" solution, in case there are limits to what we can do for 8.2. > > cjb's p

Re: no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:36 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yes, i know joyride doesn't include activities. > > however, i had previously installed a couple of activities under > /home/olpc/Activities, which are still there. even these don't > show up after the upgrade. why wouldn't they? i'v

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:38, Morgan Collett wrote: > > > Another approach of which I vaguely remember discussion, is be > > deleting activities instead of data. (Except for Browse, and > > Terminal... so you can possibly get

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > Here's my proposal: > > * Uruguay should use something like the script I proposed, as well as > the visible warnings on disk full that they alrea

no activities after 656 --> joyride. but wait...

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
yes, i know joyride doesn't include activities. however, i had previously installed a couple of activities under /home/olpc/Activities, which are still there. even these don't show up after the upgrade. why wouldn't they? i've heard that sugar keeps voluminous disk eating logs :-) of everything

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:27:46PM -0700, Deepak Saxena wrote: > On Jul 22 2008, at 16:16, Erik Garrison was caught saying: > > See: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7587#comment:4 > > > > On boot, check NAND discomfort level. If high, use unionfs(4) to mount > > a read/write tmpfs over top of a read

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Eben Eliason
An addendum... On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > > Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > Here's my proposal: > > * Uruguay should use something like the script I proposed, as well as > the visible warnings on disk full

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:22:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > erik wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:01:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > > > > > I need this fixed ASAP. > > > > > > - The XO must

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 22 2008, at 16:16, Erik Garrison was caught saying: > See: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7587#comment:4 > > On boot, check NAND discomfort level. If high, use unionfs(4) to mount > a read/write tmpfs over top of a read-only jffs2 rootfs. Set unionfs > flags to enable file deletion from the

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Gary C Martin
On 22 Jul 2008, at 13:38, Morgan Collett wrote: > Another approach of which I vaguely remember discussion, is be > deleting activities instead of data. (Except for Browse, and > Terminal... so you can possibly get them back again!) > > There would then be a symptom which they would hopefully notic

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. Here's my proposal: * Uruguay should use something like the script I proposed, as well as the visible warnings on disk full that they already have. * For 8.2, we should find causes of failure to boot on low disk space.

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
erik wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:01:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > > > I need this fixed ASAP. > > > > - The XO must always boot up to sugar including allowing access to the > > journal. That is no m

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:01:35PM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > Hi All, > > Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > > I need this fixed ASAP. > > - The XO must always boot up to sugar including allowing access to the > journal. That is no matter the fullness of the NAND > - If t

Re: automated tests

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:20 AM, riccardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Is there already a facility for automated tests ? > (tinderbox + some-X-tool ?) http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Tinderbox More tests wanted! --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. > [..] I think it's a mistake to be conflating the solution for Uruguay's build656 with the final solution we come up with for 8.2+ in Sugar. I think Uruguay's fix should be at the workaround-level, not the correct "Suga

Re: NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:01 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. Uruguay's NAND full situation is different from the solution for 8.2, and the "real" solution for 9.1 (optimistically). The scale of the fix we can deploy for 656 is mu

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread C. Scott Ananian
We should distinguish at least three solution spaces: a) UY's solution, based on a small patch to 656 b) A solution to include in 8.2 c) The "real" solution, in case there are limits to what we can do for 8.2. cjb's patch is primarily for (a), with applications to (b) and *perhaps* as a fail-sa

NAND Full Requirement

2008-07-22 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, Here's the requirement for Uruguay NAND full situation. I need this fixed ASAP. - The XO must always boot up to sugar including allowing access to the journal. That is no matter the fullness of the NAND - If the NAND has less than nnMB (50?) free, warn the user that they are low on spa

Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group

2008-07-22 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
[Cross-posted from [EMAIL PROTECTED] --HH] - *From*: Greg Dekoenigsberg - *To*: fedora-announce-list redhat com - *Subject*: Announcing the Fedora OLPC Special Interest Group - *Date*: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) -- The engineers at OLPC are bus

Re: electricity table (Google Docs)

2008-07-22 Thread Richard A. Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I was also wondering if you could give me feedback on this table. The > table shows how much kWh is needed a year to power a xo based on > different scenarios. If you think I should add or change anything As I often state in my discussions on laptop power, calculations

Re: automated tests

2008-07-22 Thread riccardo
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 17:20 +0200, riccardo wrote: > Hi, > > Is there already a facility for automated tests ? > (tinderbox + some-X-tool ?) > > If yes > - how does it works ? > - what kind of situations can it handle ? > > When redoing a tests it's a bit of a nightmare > to keep track of all

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 4:21 AM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Deleting a file from the datastore doesn't delete its entry in the > index. Resuming a Journal entry with no corresponding file usually > produces a blank document in the activity being resumed. This may be easy

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Jim Gettys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The simplest UI would be a size-sorted view of the journal. We could do something like this easily without accessing the DS, now that we have the metadata in json files. Eben, ideas? Thanks, Tomeu _

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Erik Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> jim wrote: >> > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can >> > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervent

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Jim Gettys
The simplest UI would be a size-sorted view of the journal. - Jim On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 14:26 -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > jim wrote: > > > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; i

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 01:58:29PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > jim wrote: > > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can > > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that > > would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes..

Re: [IAEP] Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release

2008-07-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
Korakurider wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The new Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release is out! >> >> This is Release Candidate 1. Now we have one more release to go before code >> freeze >> [1]. Many fixes have been going into this developm

Re: [IAEP] Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release

2008-07-22 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Korakurider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The new Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release is out! >> >> This is Release Candidate 1. Now we have one more release to go before code >> freeze

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread John Watlington
On Jul 22, 2008, at 2:23 PM, Jim Gettys wrote: > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, > that > would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes >- Jim A

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread pgf
jim wrote: > Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can > uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that > would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes i agree that erik's proposal sounds attractive, since we'd have most or

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Deepak Saxena
On Jul 22 2008, at 11:36, Chris Ball was caught saying: > During this reboot is where we delete some files. I think the > deployments probably run pretty-boot and don't see text messages, > so these users won't see anything different at all. If they did > see text messages during boot, they would

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Jim Gettys
Ah, I like this idea better than the previous I've heard; if we can uninstall software or cleanup the journal with human intervention, that would be good I'm nervous about automatic cleanup schemes - Jim On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 13:20 -0400, Erik Garrison wrote: > On

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Erik Garrison
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 12:53:37PM -0300, John Watlington wrote: > > On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > > > Hi, > > > >> Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would > >> experience if this script was installed? > > > > They wouldn't see anything different, but Journ

Re: [IAEP] Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release

2008-07-22 Thread Korakurider
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:06 AM, Simon Schampijer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The new Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release is out! > > This is Release Candidate 1. Now we have one more release to go before code > freeze > [1]. Many fixes have been going into this development release and we hope >

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread John Watlington
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:59 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> I'm getting three images right now. >> >> One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activities to >> launch >> (which since you can't log in on vtty

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Watlington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm getting three images right now. > > One of the machines booted, but wouldn't allow any activities to launch > (which since you can't log in on vttys kinda locks down the machine). > But I did notice a large number o

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread John Watlington
On Jul 22, 2008, at 12:06 PM, Chris Ball wrote: > Hi, > >> Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would >> experience if this script was installed? > > They wouldn't see anything different, but Journal entries > corresponding > to files we chose to delete wouldn't resume properly

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, It's run at boot, so: > - I sit down in the morning, start my XO (anything happen here?) Only if you're already below the disk space threshold. > - I download some stuff off the internet. I fill my NAND (anything > happen here?) No. > - My XO slows to a crawl so I reboot (anyt

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Chris et al, OK, we're checking how. Hopefully Wad will have some data and I'm trying to get two 656 XOs in the office filled up so I can see the failure case. I still don't understand when and how the script is used. Please give me a little more detail. e.g. - I sit down in the morning, st

automated tests

2008-07-22 Thread riccardo
Hi, Is there already a facility for automated tests ? (tinderbox + some-X-tool ?) If yes - how does it works ? - what kind of situations can it handle ? When redoing a tests it's a bit of a nightmare to keep track of all changed files, or patch some of them opportunely to run the `old' test.

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:06 PM, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since we disagree, maybe best to wait until we have some disk-full > images back from the field so that we can see what used up all the > space, before deciding the algorithm. Yeah, I'm still a bit lost regarding this. Let'

Re: Report on `views with many icons' profiling

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 5:00 PM, riccardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 11:54 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> > I think one can say that there's only one high-level operation: the call >> > to _set_view in HomeBox.py; what happens as a consequence(/`parallel >> > effect') is the

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, > Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would > experience if this script was installed? They wouldn't see anything different, but Journal entries corresponding to files we chose to delete wouldn't resume properly. > In terms of which files, I think the oldest (or

Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release

2008-07-22 Thread Simon Schampijer
The new Sucrose 0.81.5 Development Release is out! This is Release Candidate 1. Now we have one more release to go before code freeze [1]. Many fixes have been going into this development release and we hope that they help to stabilize a lot. Please test and give feedback and file bugs you fin

Re: Report on `views with many icons' profiling

2008-07-22 Thread riccardo
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 11:54 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > > I think one can say that there's only one high-level operation: the call > > to _set_view in HomeBox.py; what happens as a consequence(/`parallel > > effect') is the firing of expose events and thus all the time that > > cProfile assigns to

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread John Watlington
Allow me to rephrase in simpler terms: When someone is sending an SMS to a particular laptop in a school, how do they address it ? Currently, the only ID which is unique school-wise is the hash of the UUID used by the presence service. Nicknames are not unique across a school. wad On Jul 22, 2

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mardi 22 juillet 2008 à 09:18 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : > > Hi Guillaume, > > Thank you for your message. > > Though it is an external application, but its intended to be run on > server (Application has similarities with server implementation like > it runs Apache) > > >

Re: Java and Watch-Listen nonfree

2008-07-22 Thread Ton van Overbeek
David Leeming wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for the right rpms to install for the Java plugin > > java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin > > For a G1G1 XO-1 build 703, previously advertised method did not work; > > Also trying to locate watch-listen-nonfree-14.xo The wiki says download it > from Helix site, it'

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread Ankur Verma
Hi Guillaume, Thank you for your message. Though it is an external application, but its intended to be run on server (Application has similarities with server implementation like it runs Apache) > > A) If that's an external application, then you have to connect to the > jabber server as any clie

Re: yum issue on build 2181

2008-07-22 Thread Dennis Gilmore
On Tuesday 22 July 2008, riccardo wrote: > Hi, > > when I try to install a package on the xo with yum i get: > < > Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata(repmod.xml) for repository: > olpc_development. Please ... > > > I'm sure it worked yesterday with the same build. Fedora's buildsystem is un

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Morgan Collett
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 04:21, Chris Ball <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Here's a small Python script that acts as a final fail-safe in the event > that the datastore is full and we can't boot because of it, by deleting > datastore files largest-first until we cross a threshold of how much >

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mardi 22 juillet 2008 à 09:11 -0300, John Watlington a écrit : > As I mentioned earlier to Ankur in a separate email, I believe the > real problem here isn't technically how to connect to the presence > service, > but rather that the presence service offers no human-usable ID which > is guaran

Re: For review: NAND out of space patch.

2008-07-22 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Chris et al, Thanks! Can you walk me through the exact steps that the user would experience if this script was installed? That is, assume they download file and the disk becomes full. On the next reboot what do they see and what happens? In terms of which files, I think the oldest (or mayb

Re: SMS messaging

2008-07-22 Thread John Watlington
As I mentioned earlier to Ankur in a separate email, I believe the real problem here isn't technically how to connect to the presence service, but rather that the presence service offers no human-usable ID which is guaranteed to be unique within a school. wad On Jul 22, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Guill

yum issue on build 2181

2008-07-22 Thread riccardo
Hi, when I try to install a package on the xo with yum i get: < Error: Cannot retrieve repository metadata(repmod.xml) for repository: olpc_development. Please ... > I'm sure it worked yesterday with the same build. thanks, riccardo ___ Devel mailing

Re: Report on `switching between activities and the journal'

2008-07-22 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:20 PM, riccardo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Problem: switching between activities and the journal is slow > > Test-case: the test consist of starting Write and switching between it > and the journal for a sensible amount of time. All tests were run on a > xo; the

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