Wellington Friends in testing vs joyride-2301

2008-08-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
The test efforts were divided in 2 tracks: - generating a lot of network traffic in an attempt to repro the netwokr-related lockups - run through parts of the smoketest revisiting bugs found last week We didn't have time to explore other areas of the smoketest as we found plenty to keep us busy

Re: Rainbow cpu load when launching an activity?

2008-08-15 Thread riccardo
Hi Gary On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 23:18 +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: > Hi Michael, > > On 15 Aug 2008, at 21:58, Michael Stone wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 07:31:28PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: > >> I was curious to see (when testing in joyride-2301) that rainbow > >> (python /usr/sbin/ra

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
> Proper fix: make the kernel have a per-task inheritable upper > limit on the real-time priority. Perhaps the existing limit > (used for niceness) can even do the job. It's this thing: I almost always have multiple sessions running on my XO. If one of those sessions provides me with background

Re: q2e13 released

2008-08-15 Thread Joel Stanley
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:05 AM, Richard A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can you try 711? Shows the same not-working behavior as 703. Joel ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel

Re: Project Management Tools meeting in #olpc

2008-08-15 Thread Sameer Verma
Seth Woodworth wrote: > The ProjectDB + Other-tools meeting will be taking place in the #olpc > channel of freenode in ~20 minutes. We will be discussing project > management tools for pilots and deployments. > > Possible Participants (as of now): > > * Seth > * SJ > * Pia Waugh > * Jeff Waugh > *

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Albert Cahalan
Jim Gettys writes: > Victor needs some way to be able to set the real time features > of Linux; this is certainly desirable in various audio, voip > and similar applications. Quick fix: eliminate the restriction in the kernel While this causes obvious problems for shared multi-user machines, it

Re: Q2E13, joyride-2302, 8.1 (708) and touchpad, first impressions

2008-08-15 Thread Richard A. Smith
Ton van Overbeek wrote: > Updated my firmware to Q2E13 and installed joyride 2302, replacing 2298. > Touchpad works under joyride-2302 but is completely unusable under 708: > the mouse cursor is stuck 99% of the time. > I have not run with extra mouse debugging enabled yet, will do that > tomorrow

Q2E13, joyride-2302, 8.1 (708) and touchpad, first impressions

2008-08-15 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Updated my firmware to Q2E13 and installed joyride 2302, replacing 2298. Touchpad works under joyride-2302 but is completely unusable under 708: the mouse cursor is stuck 99% of the time. I have not run with extra mouse debugging enabled yet, will do that tomorrow. Should I try 711 instead of 708

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 09:14:47PM -0400, Jim Gettys wrote: >Michael, > >I detect a disconnect. The disconnect is that Victor has neither explained what syscalls he wants to be able to make nor posted his patch to limits.conf. Until he does one of these things, I am unable to help him. Michael __

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Jim Gettys
Michael, I detect a disconnect. Victor needs some way to be able to set the real time features of Linux; this is certainly desirable in various audio, voip and similar applications. Victor has been using the facilities in limits.conf to enable particular user's accounts to do this under linux.

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread victor
Thanks; You have been copied into this already: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7603 I'm just exploring possibilities for getting better RT performance for audio on the XO. I got stuck when I could not test set the scheduler priority from an Activity (but was able to do it from the terminal). Victo

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread victor
Thanks; You have been copied into this already: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7603 I'm just exploring possibilities for getting better RT performance for audio on the XO. I got stuck when I could not test set the scheduler priority from an Activity (but was able to do it from the terminal). Victo

Re: Tribute To Randy Pausch

2008-08-15 Thread Ixo X oxI
Thanks Greg for the heads up. I've stumbled across his work, lectures, and adventures several times over the past 6 months during his battle with Pancreatic Cancer . I hadn't seen an update for quite awhile Drilling down a bit further in some of the links I have bookmark... here's some more furt

Re: rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 11:52:59PM +0100, victor wrote: >I'm trying to get my head round how rainbow works and there is one >thing I cannot figure out. Why is that the UIDs generated by rainbow >do not have the same resource access privileges as other UIDs as >set in limits.conf for pam? If I use a

rainbow and pam

2008-08-15 Thread victor
I'm trying to get my head round how rainbow works and there is one thing I cannot figure out. Why is that the UIDs generated by rainbow do not have the same resource access privileges as other UIDs as set in limits.conf for pam? If I use a wildcard to match all users, the UIDs set by rainbow are no

Project Management Tools meeting in #olpc

2008-08-15 Thread Seth Woodworth
The ProjectDB + Other-tools meeting will be taking place in the #olpc channel of freenode in ~20 minutes. We will be discussing project management tools for pilots and deployments. Possible Participants (as of now): * Seth * SJ * Pia Waugh * Jeff Waugh * Sameer Verma --Seth On Thu, Aug 14, 200

Re: Rainbow cpu load when launching an activity?

2008-08-15 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Michael, On 15 Aug 2008, at 21:58, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 07:31:28PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: >> I was curious to see (when testing in joyride-2301) that rainbow >> (python /usr/sbin/rainbow-daemon) seems to be the process that's >> eating the most CPU cycles d

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-15 Thread Ricardo Carrano
Hi everyone, On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 6:14 PM, John Gilmore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deepak, > Would this be considered a blocker for 8.2 ... > > (Not my call.) > or do we primarilly care about collaboration in mesh mode for deployments? > > Very few deployments use mesh mode, be

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-15 Thread John Gilmore
Deepak, >>> Would this be considered a blocker for 8.2 ... (Not my call.) >>> or do we primarilly >>> care about collaboration in mesh mode for deployments? Very few deployments use mesh mode, because it currently doesn't scale up to more than about ten nearby laptops. (It's due to many intera

Alice and Squeak (was: Tribute To Randy Pausch)

2008-08-15 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:21:23 -0700, Noah Kantrowitz wrote: > I'm pretty sure Squeak, which eToys is based on, has Alice support built-in. This support was dropped a couple of versions ago. One of the original goals for Squeak was to integrate all sorts of interesting educational experiments. Wo

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-15 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Ricardo, We have not been good about communicating that so you are not the only one unclear on the policy. What we have is documented at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Trac_conventions Linked from the dev.laptop.org home page. In short, you can mark a bug blocks?:8.2.0 and we will find it and t

Re: Rainbow cpu load when launching an activity?

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 07:31:28PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: >I was curious to see (when testing in joyride-2301) that rainbow >(python /usr/sbin/rainbow-daemon) seems to be the process that's >eating the most CPU cycles during an activity launch. Well, rainbow does a little bit of work in o

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-15 Thread Ricardo Carrano
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Greg Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Deepak, > > Thanks for asking. > > I believe that infra mode = AP but no school server. > > My take is that this is a blocker. Until more school servers are deployed in > the field, this will be one of our most common depl

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Richard A. Smith wrote: > Ton van Overbeek wrote: > >> NoiseEHC wrote: >>> I feel the touchpad very jumpy, it was not jumpy at all with 708. >>> >> See trac #7788 and trac #7341. > > Please enable debug info with > > echo 1 > /sys/module/psmouse/parameters/tpdebug > > and attach your logs to one

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread Richard A. Smith
Ton van Overbeek wrote: > NoiseEHC wrote: >> I feel the touchpad very jumpy, it was not jumpy at all with 708. >> > See trac #7788 and trac #7341. Please enable debug info with echo 1 > /sys/module/psmouse/parameters/tpdebug and attach your logs to one of the tickets. > I am doing more touc

Re: q2e13 released

2008-08-15 Thread Richard A. Smith
Joel Stanley wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Richard A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I've had 2 reports from my q20117 dev build that after upgrade the >> touchpad quit working. > > I upgraded to joyride-2302 and the touchpad now works fine. > > In both last nights testing (when

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread Ton van Overbeek
NoiseEHC wrote: > I feel the touchpad very jumpy, it was not jumpy at all with 708. > See trac #7788 and trac #7341. I am doing more touchpad testing (going to change to switching between joyride-2203 and update.1-708 with firmware q2e13) and am still waiting if this one will be raised to a blo

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Aug 2008, at 19:38, NoiseEHC wrote: > Could somebody tell me whether 2263 was announced on this list? (I > somehow missed that email.) Yea I saw a 2263 from Build Announcer here. I can recommend keeping an eye on Berts lovely build diff page: http://dev.laptop.org/~bert/joyride-pk

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread NoiseEHC
It is back again, it is a blocker, please somebody really fix it! http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7608 I feel the touchpad very jumpy, it was not jumpy at all with 708. Since 2230 (if I remember) the software updater simply refused to update Scratch (it jumped back to the start of updating). With 2

Rainbow cpu load when launching an activity?

2008-08-15 Thread Gary C Martin
I was curious to see (when testing in joyride-2301) that rainbow (python /usr/sbin/rainbow-daemon) seems to be the process that's eating the most CPU cycles during an activity launch. Is this related to the faster stream changes where modules are loaded early by rainbow so that later activit

Re: Tribute To Randy Pausch

2008-08-15 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
Ton van Overbeek wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: I had the opportunity to study under Randy during his last year at the Entertainment Technology Center, before Jesse (formerly of Disney Imagineering) took over. His Building Virtual Worlds course was the most time consuming yet most rewarding educati

Re: Tribute To Randy Pausch

2008-08-15 Thread Ton van Overbeek
Eben Eliason wrote: > I had the opportunity to study under Randy during his last year at the > Entertainment Technology Center, before Jesse (formerly of Disney > Imagineering) took over. His Building Virtual Worlds course was the > most time consuming yet most rewarding educational experience I'v

Re: Suspend vs Network Traffic - blockers

2008-08-15 Thread Greg Smith
Hi Deepak, Thanks for asking. I believe that infra mode = AP but no school server. My take is that this is a blocker. Until more school servers are deployed in the field, this will be one of our most common deployment models. I believe that you are referring 7972 and I'll leave that in blocke

Re: what is a "Customization key" ?

2008-08-15 Thread Erik Garrison
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 04:35:23AM -0700, S Page wrote: > Erik Garrison wrote: >> I have built a customization key for use by Perú immediately following >> provisional testing. >> ... >> The key is comprised of the previously shipped Perú activity pack and an >> updated content bundle sent to us by

Re: [Techteam] wireless 'lights went out' issue

2008-08-15 Thread Chris Ball
Hi Dan, > libertas reported a lot of unknown event ids, then commands timed > out, then the kernel reset it via EC. The USB device disconnected, > came back a few seconds later, and it reestablished a connection. > About an hour later, the same happened, it got reset again. The USB

wireless 'lights went out' issue

2008-08-15 Thread Daniel Drake
I have one of Greg's laptops here, running joyride-2263. According to /var/log/messages it has not suspended at all this session. libertas reported a lot of unknown event ids, then commands timed out, then the kernel reset it via EC. The USB device disconnected, came back a few seconds later, and

Re: Tribute To Randy Pausch

2008-08-15 Thread Eben Eliason
I had the opportunity to study under Randy during his last year at the Entertainment Technology Center, before Jesse (formerly of Disney Imagineering) took over. His Building Virtual Worlds course was the most time consuming yet most rewarding educational experience I've ever had. He was an amazi

Breaks yum also? (Was: Missing critical dependency, Koji)

2008-08-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 15 Aug 2008, at 05:37, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 02:13:28PM +1000, James Cameron wrote: >> We don't have a duplicate of Koji we can use? How wrong is that! > > We talked about it but Dennis argued passionately that > > a) creating our own koji instance would be additiona

Focus on 8.2.0 blockers

2008-08-15 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, We're still trying to iron out a methodology for the final bug prioritization of 8.2.0. Will update later today if we make any progress. In the mean time, I heard some doubt about what to work on to get 8.2.0 shipped. The top priority items have been marked "blocks:8.2.0" in the keywor

Re: what is a "Customization key" ?

2008-08-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 5:22 AM, S Page <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not to pick on him, but Erik Garrison wrote: >> I have built a customization key for use by Perú immediately following >> provisional testing. >> ... >> The key is comprised of the previously shipped Perú activity pack and an >> u

Please Enable odg (Open Document Graphics) Upload on Wiki

2008-08-15 Thread Tarun Pondicherry
Hi, Can the wiki settings be changed so odg (Open Document Graphics) files can be uploaded? Most of the originals of my images are in that format and I think I should upload them too. BTW, if there is a wiki list where I should have sent this instad, sorry. I couldn't find it. Thanks, Tarun

Re: sugar activity updater

2008-08-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Gary C Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 14 Aug 2008, at 22:48, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > >> Trac #7733. I am annoyed as well. > > As someone on the activity side of the fence, I like warnings, I have a [...] > +10 for warnings. Just to be clear, I'm not anno

Announcing OLPC's Infrastructure-group! Organizational meeting Sunday at 2:00pm EDT, -04:00 UCT, on irc.oftc.net:#olpc-admin

2008-08-15 Thread Henry Edward Hardy
Are you an experienced *NIX sysadmin looking for a way to volunteer for One Laptop Per Child? I am pleased to announce OLPC's Infrastructure-group! We are looking for a few good sysadmins to assist with our public-facing infrastructure. Possible initial tasks include: - Trac and git maintenan

Tribute To Randy Pausch

2008-08-15 Thread Greg Smith
Hi All, I'd like to take a moment to respectfully mark the passing of Randy Pausch. I wasn't aware of him before he died but it looks like his work (http://download.srv.cs.cmu.edu/~pausch/Randy/oldRandyPage.html) was very relevant for our project. It seems like he was one of "us" (not that I'm

Re: q2e13 released

2008-08-15 Thread Joel Stanley
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Richard A. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've had 2 reports from my q20117 dev build that after upgrade the > touchpad quit working. I upgraded to joyride-2302 and the touchpad now works fine. In both last nights testing (when the touchpad was failing under

what is a "Customization key" ?

2008-08-15 Thread S Page
Erik Garrison wrote: > I have built a customization key for use by Perú immediately following > provisional testing. > ... > The key is comprised of the previously shipped Perú activity pack and an > updated content bundle sent to us by Perú and cleaned up by me over the > past day and a half. htt

what is a "Customization key" ?

2008-08-15 Thread S Page
Not to pick on him, but Erik Garrison wrote: > I have built a customization key for use by Perú immediately following > provisional testing. > ... > The key is comprised of the previously shipped Perú activity pack and an > updated content bundle sent to us by Perú and cleaned up by me over the > p

Re: Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2301!

2008-08-15 Thread S Page
Michael Stone wrote: > We are thrilled to announce a new test build, joyride-2301, valid until > Wednesday, August 20. Updating from joyride-2273 basically went fine. I have a general testing question below. `sudo olpc-update joyride-2301` in Terminal Activity got a MemoryError in irsync_dirty