Re: [IAEP] sugar live cd for windows
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:53:03AM -0400, Kevin Cole wrote: > A "Live" CD doesn't run "on" anything, generally speaking. It implies > a CD which you boot the entire operating system from. To the best of > my knowledge there are no Live Windows Sugar CD's. This users' perspective is not unusual ... if a user believes they have Microsoft Windows on their computer, and you give them a CD and ask them to restart their computer ... afterward nothing seems to have changed. Since running the CD doesn't *remove* Microsoft Windows their computer remains Microsoft Windows based. Only users who know what an operating system is and where it exists (on disk permanently vs in memory temporarily) can fully appreciate the complexity. It would be technically possible to have a Microsoft Windows Live CD, but last I heard the copyright owner and licensor don't permit this method of deployment. I'm no expert in that product. -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: [IAEP] sugar live cd for windows
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 13:59, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > Dear all, > > Wish to ask you for pointers to improve the performance of SocialCalc > activity while running it on Sugar Live CD for Windows. SocialCalc works > very well on the native installation of Sugar. Please suggest. Hi, I just wanted to clarify a possible source of confusion in your choice of wording. A "Live" CD doesn't run "on" anything, generally speaking. It implies a CD which you boot the entire operating system from. To the best of my knowledge there are no Live Windows Sugar CD's. So, it' is just a Sugar Live CD. It runs Linux underneath Sugar. When it is booted, it is temporarily replacing all of Windows, not "for" Windows. If I put the same Sugar Live CD in my Linux computer, then boot, it replaces my hard drive's version of Linux with the CD version of Linux until I remove the CD and reboot. I hope that helps you with your question a little. -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > My experience with the XO-1.5 has been much better: [...] snip! >> 2) Infoslicer always claimed it couldn't reach the network > > Did not run Infoslicer when away from home - so haven't tried it. I heard this was a known issue - the Wikipedia folks changed apparently some stuff and now InfoSlicer's parser has issues with obtaining content. Or so I've been told. > mikus --Sebastian ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
My experience with the XO-1.5 has been much better: > 4) Both Browse and Firefox on Gnome don't load certain popular sites > (see below). I don't go to Gnome - I run both Browse and Firefox under Sugar. Neither Browse nor Firefox had any trouble whatsoever with either of those sites (Skype, Major League Baseball). Browse behaved nicely - if I clicked on one of the panels in the Baseball site, it opened a smaller window within the current one. With Firefox, I had to figure out what was happening - it opened another (full screen) Sugar window - so I had to go to the icon in Frame to close that subwindow. My explanation for the difference in behavior is *flash* -- I'm using the latest plugin from Adobe -- and I suspect you are not. [Firefox for me has video size adjustment problems - but that's firefox interfacing with video support, not "browsing" per se. Other browsers on XO-1.5 do not have the video size problem.] > 3) The network still shows three copies of every access point. I'm using os32. Have not used access points much (at home I have wired rather than wireless), but every location I've been in, Neighborhood View has shown me only one icon for every accessible access point. [But these days (os32), Frame is showing me two batteries -- and the percentage of charge is different between the two !!] > 2) Infoslicer always claimed it couldn't reach the network Did not run Infoslicer when away from home - so haven't tried it. > 1) ... someone hovered over the XO on > the desktop to pull up the config menu. The menu would open, not > display text, and the mouse and interface would stop working. I've had similar hurdles with Home View. What I've always been able to do is "brute force" - move the cursor, click, move the cursor, click, etc. So far, Home View responsiveness has always come back. [I've been using an external USB trackball with the XO-1.5.] mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO-1 -> XO-1.5 upgrades?
this is probably the wrong list to ask this on, but since I'm not sure which would be the right one I'll ask here. has there been any thought to providing some sort of XO-1 to XO-1.5 upgrade path for the G1G1 buyers? I got 8 of these for family members (and testing), and while I consider the investment worthwhile, it's going to be hard for me to justify doing this again at full (2x) price for the 1.5 laptops (if the economy was a bit better, possibly, but not at the moment) I'm not suggesting that you do anything that would end up running under cost, but something at cost (as opposed to at 2x cost) would be a very nice thing to offer for the early supporters who used the G1G1 program. I suspect that the hassle of checking, warehouseing, cleaning, etc the XO-1 laptops would mean that there would be little, if any value to OLPC in getting the XO-1 laptops back (unless there was a charitible orginization that they would want to give them to as-is), so it's probably cheapest and easiest if the people who purchased through the G1G1 program were to just get an offer to guy an equal number of XO-1.5 boxes at ~cost. I know this is a bit early as you are still working the bugs out of the 1.5 laptops, but things like this take a while to get figured out. thoughts? David Lang ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
Some more comments from recent use and demos of my 1.5 w/ os32, some of which I'll put into trac. 1) Twice in half an hour I was able to get Sugar to stop redrawing when, while it had 5-6 activities open, someone hovered over the XO on the desktop to pull up the config menu. The menu would open, not display text, and the mouse and interface would stop working. journal/frame keys wouldn't work. ctrl-alt-del worked instantly in both cases to restart X. I couldn't dupliate on demand. 2) Infoslicer always claimed it couldn't reach the network to download articles even when browse had no trouble. 3) The network still shows three copies of every access point. 4) Both Browse and Firefox on Gnome don't load certain popular sites (see below). SJ -- Forwarded message -- From: Kalil Nicolas Subject: V1.5 issue Since you said to report issues I may find in the V1.5, here are a few: Using Gnome, I try accessing the Major League Baseball website and since there are too many pics and some options for real time games, the pictures just keep flashing and never actually open…its very slow Same happens when I access the Skype Website (was going to try and download) the website wouldn’t open, it keeps just flashing back and forth the download option. = On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a > proxy. My opinion - this is a quite nice machine. > > The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be > welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are > not being done "smoothly". And when viewing "moving pictures", the > currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable. > > For me, the XO-1.5 is a "performer" -- it runs many many Activities, plus > applications ported from Linux. Interaction with the network works. I > think that with this product the users' demands are met. > > mikus > > ___ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Alpha release - Deducto and Color Deducto activity
Dear all, I am delighted to announce the alpha release of the Deducto and Color Deducto activities. Please visit - 1. *Deducto home page* - http://seeta.in/j/products-and-services/deducto.html 2. *Color Deducto home page* - http://seeta.in/j/products-and-services/color-deducto.html 3. *User guide for Deducto* - http://seeta.in/wiki/index.php?title=Deducto_User%E2%80%99s_Section 4. *User guide for Color Deducto* - http://seeta.in/wiki/index.php?title=Color_Deducto_User%E2%80%99s_Section 5. *Download pages* - the alpha version of these activities along with their source code can be downloaded from http://seeta.in/j/downloads.html or from activities.sugarlabs.org ( http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4220 and http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4221). Many thanks to the developers Ashita Dadlani and Anisha Arora for their dedication and consistency during all the stages of the development; Satyajeet Singh, Assim Deodia, Swarandeep Singh and Vijit Singh for their support in training, development, localization and QA activities. Wish to express my gratitude to Walter Bender and Samuel J. Klein for their wonderful support and encouragement as always. We look forward to hearing your feedback and experience with Deducto and Color Deducto activities. If you would like to put in a feature request, please do so at http://testtrack.seeta.in. Hope you enjoy working with Deducto and Color Deducto activities. Wishing you a very Happy Diwali. Regards, Manu ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected > without a proxy. I don't quite understand this statement. Were you connected to the XO-1.5 over the internet, using a technique like X forwarding or VNC? > The principal user-perception experience where improvement would > still be welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g., > show/hide Frame) are not being done "smoothly". And when viewing > "moving pictures", the currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., > ticket #9407) is noticeable. In the case of a remote desktop session over the internet, video performance is almost always limited by the network and protocol, not the server hardware's rendering speed. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 17:52, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 16:44, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: >> Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a >> proxy. My opinion - this is a quite nice machine. >> >> The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be >> welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are >> not being done "smoothly". > > If there's no way in hand to further improve rendering performance, > then maybe using composition would be a possibility with the extra > memory we have? And btw, if someone would like to spend some time seeing why rendering in Sugar is so slow, I can give some pointers. Also, except for icon rendering, it would also benefit rendering of GNOME windows. Regards, Tomeu > Regards, > > Tomeu > >> And when viewing "moving pictures", the >> currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable. >> >> For me, the XO-1.5 is a "performer" -- it runs many many Activities, plus >> applications ported from Linux. Interaction with the network works. I >> think that with this product the users' demands are met. >> >> mikus >> >> ___ >> Fedora-olpc-list mailing list >> fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list >> > > > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: XO-1.5 follow-on impression
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 16:44, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: > Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a > proxy. My opinion - this is a quite nice machine. > > The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be > welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are > not being done "smoothly". If there's no way in hand to further improve rendering performance, then maybe using composition would be a possibility with the extra memory we have? Regards, Tomeu > And when viewing "moving pictures", the > currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable. > > For me, the XO-1.5 is a "performer" -- it runs many many Activities, plus > applications ported from Linux. Interaction with the network works. I > think that with this product the users' demands are met. > > mikus > > ___ > Fedora-olpc-list mailing list > fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-olpc-list > -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
XO-1.5 follow-on impression
Was able to use the XO-1.5 (os32) at another location, connected without a proxy. My opinion - this is a quite nice machine. The principal user-perception experience where improvement would still be welcome is video support. Changes to the screen (e.g., show/hide Frame) are not being done "smoothly". And when viewing "moving pictures", the currently scanty hardware acceleration (e.g., ticket #9407) is noticeable. For me, the XO-1.5 is a "performer" -- it runs many many Activities, plus applications ported from Linux. Interaction with the network works. I think that with this product the users' demands are met. mikus ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
Re: Hulahop Webview widget closes parent(s) when hidden
Hi George,
It may be possible that WebView is crashing for you. We saw this
sometime back for the French Help activity - the latest working code
is in http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/helpfr/repos/mainline/trees/master
Thanks,
Sayamindu
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:04 PM, George Hunt wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I have been trying to use the WebView widget from hulahop to display
> documentation in an Activity.
>
> I don't have enough experience to know where to start looking to fix the
> problem I'm having:
>
> The following test program shows the different widget behavior comparing
> gtk.Textview with hulahop.Webview:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
> #test program to show the different widget behaviors webview vs textview
> import os
> import hulahop
>
> from sugar import env
> hulahop.startup(os.path.join(env.get_profile_path(), 'gecko'))
>
> from hulahop.webview import WebView
>
> import gtk
> tvon=True
> wvon=True
> def clicked_cb(widget):
> global tvon
> if tvon :
> tvwidget.hide()
> else:
> tvwidget.show()
> tvon = not tvon
>
> def wv_clicked_cb(widget):
> global wvon
> if wvon :
> wvwidget.hide()
> else:
> wvwidget.show()
> wvon = not wvon
>
> win = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
> #nb = gtk.Notebook()
> vb = gtk.VBox()
> vb.show()
>
> #two buttons to toggle the widgets' visibility
> tvbutton = gtk.Button('togle textview')
> tvbutton.show()
> tvbutton.connect('clicked',clicked_cb)
> vb.pack_start(tvbutton)
> wvbutton = gtk.Button('togle Webview')
> wvbutton.show()
> wvbutton.connect('clicked',wv_clicked_cb)
> vb.pack_start(wvbutton)
>
> wvwidget = WebView()
> tvwidget = gtk.TextView()
> wvwidget.load_uri('http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Guido_van_Robot')
> wvwidget.show()
> tvwidget.show()
> vb.pack_start(tvwidget)
> vb.pack_start(wvwidget)
>
> win.add(vb)
>
> win.show()
> gtk.main()
>
>
> The observed behavior, first observed in a notebook container, is that when
> the button that toggles textview visibility is clicked, the expected
> repacking of the vbox occurs. But when the webview toggle button is clicked,
> the mainwindow closes, but the mainloop does not return (I need to do C
> to get back a terminal prompt).
>
> Does anyone know if there is a property of widgets that would control this
> behavior? What's the best way to start attack this problem? Where in the
> hulahop source should I start looking?
>
> Thanks
> George
>
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Hulahop Webview widget closes parent(s) when hidden
Hi everybody,
I have been trying to use the WebView widget from hulahop to display
documentation in an Activity.
I don't have enough experience to know where to start looking to fix the
problem I'm having:
The following test program shows the different widget behavior comparing
gtk.Textview with hulahop.Webview:
#!/usr/bin/env python
#test program to show the different widget behaviors webview vs textview
import os
import hulahop
from sugar import env
hulahop.startup(os.path.join(env.get_profile_path(), 'gecko'))
from hulahop.webview import WebView
import gtk
tvon=True
wvon=True
def clicked_cb(widget):
global tvon
if tvon :
tvwidget.hide()
else:
tvwidget.show()
tvon = not tvon
def wv_clicked_cb(widget):
global wvon
if wvon :
wvwidget.hide()
else:
wvwidget.show()
wvon = not wvon
win = gtk.Window(gtk.WINDOW_TOPLEVEL)
#nb = gtk.Notebook()
vb = gtk.VBox()
vb.show()
#two buttons to toggle the widgets' visibility
tvbutton = gtk.Button('togle textview')
tvbutton.show()
tvbutton.connect('clicked',clicked_cb)
vb.pack_start(tvbutton)
wvbutton = gtk.Button('togle Webview')
wvbutton.show()
wvbutton.connect('clicked',wv_clicked_cb)
vb.pack_start(wvbutton)
wvwidget = WebView()
tvwidget = gtk.TextView()
wvwidget.load_uri('http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Guido_van_Robot')
wvwidget.show()
tvwidget.show()
vb.pack_start(tvwidget)
vb.pack_start(wvwidget)
win.add(vb)
win.show()
gtk.main()
The observed behavior, first observed in a notebook container, is that when
the button that toggles textview visibility is clicked, the expected
repacking of the vbox occurs. But when the webview toggle button is clicked,
the mainwindow closes, but the mainloop does not return (I need to do C
to get back a terminal prompt).
Does anyone know if there is a property of widgets that would control this
behavior? What's the best way to start attack this problem? Where in the
hulahop source should I start looking?
Thanks
George
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Re: [IAEP] sugar live cd for windows
Tomeu, It would be great to have the XO-LiveCD perform at par with the other Sugar distributions. I surely have an interest in the performance of all Sugar distributions. Regards, Manu On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 20:13, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > > Tomeu, > > > > Thank you for the pointer. > > > > Yes, we have tried running SocialCalc on Sugar with SoaS as the Sugar > > distribution. Works pretty well. We'll look into the other distributions > as > > recommended. > > Ok, so if performance is better on SoaS than in XO-LiveCD, then we > have a clue about where to investigate. Do you have a big interest in > using XO-LiveCD ? > > Regards, > > Tomeu > > > Regards, > > > > Manu > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 12:23 AM, Tomeu Vizoso > wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:45, Manusheel Gupta wrote: > >> > Tomeu, > >> > > >> > My apologies for the typo. > >> > > >> > I meant Live CD for running Sugar on Windows. We downloaded it from > >> > ftp://www.rohrmoser-engineering.de/pub/XO-LiveCD/XO-LiveCD_090722.iso. > >> > >> I confess not having tried it out, but AFAIK that's a normal linux > >> live image. So you don't run windows when you boot that .iso, just > >> linux. > >> > >> Have you tried other linux live images containing Sugar? There's SoaS, > >> Trisquel, OpenSUSE, etc. See in the wiki for links and instructions. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Tomeu > >> > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > Manu > >> > > >> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Tomeu Vizoso > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 18:59, Manusheel Gupta > wrote: > >> >> > Dear all, > >> >> > > >> >> > Wish to ask you for pointers to improve the performance of > SocialCalc > >> >> > activity while running it on Sugar Live CD for Windows. SocialCalc > >> >> > works > >> >> > very well on the native installation of Sugar. Please suggest. > >> >> > >> >> Hi Manu, > >> >> > >> >> can you clarify what do you mean by a Live CD for Windows? > >> >> > >> >> Regards, > >> >> > >> >> Tomeu > >> >> > >> >> > Regards, > >> >> > > >> >> > Manu > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- Forwarded message -- > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Manu, > >> >> > > >> >> > I successfully installed Social Calc using the Sugar Live CD. The > >> >> > only > >> >> > issue was that SocialCalc didn't show up in my activity list until > I > >> >> > restarted Sugar. > >> >> > The response of Sugar is a bit sluggish (which also affects > >> >> > SocialCalc). > >> >> > It's easier to learn a new system when the system's feedback to > >> >> > actions > >> >> > is > >> >> > fast and time-consistent. I would guess that this is not a problem > >> >> > with > >> >> > a > >> >> > native installation. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ___ > >> >> > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > >> >> > i...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >> >> > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > >> >> What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > >> >> Farning > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > >> What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > >> Farning > > > > > > > > -- > «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. > What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David > Farning > ___ Devel mailing list Devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel
