that than turn them off, since we're throwing away useful
in-the-field debugging information (for anyone who wants to help fix
laptops remotely, not just us) if we turn them off.
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. I have 1.5.2.2 installed.
Looks like the new version of gitweb isn't handling Unicode correctly:
Cannot decode string with wide characters at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Encode.pm
line 166.
(And those two modules have Ivan's name, containing Unicode, as the
owner.)
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Status:
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Wireless resume problems:
We have firmware from Javier that appears to work, but we don't
understand
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OFW init about six months ago -- Ivan described the situation before
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It shouldn't be difficult to do a git clone of the olpc-auto.zip and
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Hi Ankita,
Can someone tell whether the Fedora distribution on XO has HID
support?
Yes, USB HID works fine.
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If anyone who wants to be on the call is unable or unwilling to use
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questions to the conference. Thoughts?
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Any thoughts on this subject?
Yes: we don't use swap.
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exactly this:
# prelink -avm /
# reboot
And it made no discernible difference (with a stopwatch) to boot time,
activity startup time, or activity memory use. It was pretty confusing.
If someone wants to see if they can have better luck with it, that'd be
fine with me.
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http://web.media.mit.edu/~ypod/mesh/
Wow, this looks great. Does it rely on the mesh beacons from each
laptop, though? I think we're about to turn those off -- see:
https://dev.laptop.org/ticket/2750#comment:4
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of encrypted APs.
In the absence of a physical network port, this would be the only
way I can copy files to/from the X0.
You could also use a USB disk, SD card, or USB ethernet device.
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Can someone provide a pointer to the OFW tree? My purpose is
simply to review the code.
http://openbios.org/Open_Firmware
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Hi,
We'll be having the regular software meeting on IRC (irc.freenode.net
#olpc-meeting) tonight at 9pm EST. See you there!
Date/time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11day=20year=2007hour=21min=0sec=0p1=43
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that we can wrap them?)
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Hi,
We'll be having the regular software meeting on IRC (irc.freenode.net
#olpc-meeting) tonight at 9pm EST. See you there!
Date/time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12day=04year=2007hour=21min=0sec=0p1=43
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I'm not one of the build masters -- perhaps they could follow up and
correct me if I've misunderstood something.
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Someone mentioned that there will be (or already is?) a prohibition
on loading any binaries and that all custom content must be Python
and only Python? Is this true?
No.
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load. It's plugin-based and outputs as text in the console and/or
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(My reason for disagreeing is the standard progress vs. support
dichotomy. I'd rather we kept the base OS as a known quantity
but worked really hard on things like performance.)
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We'll be having the regular software meeting on IRC (irc.freenode.net
#olpc-meeting) tonight at 9pm EST. See you there!
Date/time:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12day=18year=2007hour=21min=0sec=0p1=43
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This page is for software developers only. It does not apply to Give
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please use the olpc-update or activated upgrade method.
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joyride? Please let me know. Thanks.
Yes, the power management features were not ready in time for the G1G1
build, but they are in Joyride.
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Is there some kind of documentation on what's risky and what's
safe?
You're safe no matter what you do to the NAND, because the firmware can
flash a new NAND image from USB. If you want to be sure of not bricking
it, you should avoid flashing firmware that isn't signed by OLPC.
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* #4843: Preserve user choice of brightness after dimming,
and don't dim if it would *increase* brightness.
I'd like it if we could either prefer ChangeLog entries to RPM
changelog entries, or print both in the build changelog. What
do others think?
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Once you have your developer key, please run:
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If that fails too, it should be clear that we need to RMA and replace
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Yes, we've considered refusing to suspend when certain classes of USB
devices are plugged in. This hasn't been implemented yet, though.
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For Update.2, I'd like to tell the EC about sleep mode, and avoid the
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it should inhibit suspend automatically by virtue of the CPU use.
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in trying to create 3DPong inside Pippy, I'd like to hear
about whether it works well for you, and whether there are any changes
we should make to the pygame wrapper.
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we're thinking of: allowing external users and developers to
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on that window, but also on the contents of the rest
of the screen at the time. Perhaps the Ubuntu desktop had xfce in
the background, and the OLPC desktop had the sugar home view, and
perhaps there is a difference in rendering load between the two?
(He said, with gale-force handwaving.)
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Someone want to test it?
Tested, boots, works so far.
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Hi,
I'm also seeing the backlight dimming/brightening behavior at the
text console that you originally reported.
This console dimming is fixed as of yesterday, but the Joyride builds
have been down so it hasn't made it into a build yet.
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of battery life
with the mix of awake and asleep modes currently present in the Joyride
build. I'd also be interested in opinions on the timeouts I've chosen
for the idle-suspend mode -- currently we suspend after 30 seconds of
user input idleness, if the CPU is also idle.
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don't support it. You can set your own wakeups easily:
# rtcwake -s 120
after 30s, the laptop should suspend due to idleness
after another 90s, the laptop should wake itself
rtcwake is in the OLPC build already.
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the decision
process. As it suggests, the bits are copied by tagging RPMS that
are already in Joyride into the Update.1 branch in Koji.
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are. The timeouts aren't locked into
place for Update.1; if we find that going from 30-60 seconds before
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We'll be having a software status meeting on irc.freenode.net /
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Agenda:
* What needs to happen before we can ship/sign Update.1-RC1?
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Though it would be nicer to me if OHM could keep the back light
level if not suspending to avoid this problem.
This is the case in recent Joyride builds.
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this (or something similar) working
makes it worth investigating even solutions that make the mesh slower
to respond. (But my job is to get our battery to last longer, so of
course I'm going to say that. :)
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Only Pippy actually crashes - it fails to launch completely.
Logged #6475 for Pippy, with a minimal patch attached.
Applied, thanks. I've pushed a Pippy-19.xo release to Joyride.
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? What is it in Avahi's code path that
causes its peer list to be emptied on resume?
If we have to disable OHM to test something in particular, that's okay,
but we won't be testing what we plan on shipping if we do so.
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can make modifications to it and build a new Pippy bundle from them).
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Hi,
Project name : Read ETexts Activity
Done. Your tree is here:
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We already ship an activity called Read with the XO -- could we call
the repository for this one something like etexts to avoid confusion?
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How do I prevent 'Read' (or whatever) from letting my XO 'suspend'?
touch /etc/inhibit-ebook-sleep
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http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Pymunx
Wow, how awesome! Do you have an XO to test on? Have you thought about
releasing a standalone .xo, or throwing these into Pippy? What are the
dependencies and disk usage like for the underlying chipmunk library?
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, and if you
have any suggestions on which dictionaries are best to use. I'm
using this one for Spanish at the moment:
http://www.june29.com/IDP/files/Spanish.txt
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-Web 86
I think we need to leave Web in, to bootstrap installing other
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Hi,
what does inhibit-idle-suspend do?
It allows you to disable automatic idle suspend while keeping enabled
the explicit suspend on power button press or lid close. Previously,
there was only the inhibit-suspend file that inhibits both of the above.
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key.
I'll prepare a zip file of a customization key with the G1G1 activities
on tomorrow, we can see if there are any version discrepencies between
our bundles, and I'll release a G1G1 customization key and the script
tomorrow. Sound okay?
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# olpc-update update.1-702
Gary C Martin mailed me off-list to point out that this will need to be
/usr/sbin/olpc-update update.1-702 unless you're logged in as root
directly, or have root's environment through sudo su -.
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way is to download the latest Joyride
build and test the automatic power management there. There are also
some related wiki pages:
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http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OHM_power_management
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Suspend_and_resume
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.1 is finished -- it's still
very important that we keep on top of the remaining testing and bugs
in that stream.
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of activities will help to get those activities tested.
If you have an activity that works and is ready for testing by
the community at large, feel free to push it into Joyride.
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We'll be meeting in #olpc-meeting on Freenode in fifteen minutes from
now. Agenda:
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http://dev.laptop.org/report/16?TIME=40
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(bonobo, corba..) but there wouldn't be a need to put them in every
build, just builds that we want to run a test harness against.
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¹: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gap/
²: http://people.redhat.com/zcerza/dogtail/
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bug is that we're simply not receiving packets from the network. I'll
be testing that theory by posting a log of network traffic during a
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.. or you can use Bert's script:
wget dev.laptop.org/~bert/update-activities.py
python update-activities.py
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of how much
power each activity uses as well. :)
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Hi,
I *think* Richard mentioned that he planned to move the
gnome-power-manager logic to OHM at some point.
Sounds good. There haven't been any upstream commits to OHM in over
six months, though, so I think we'd have to do this ourselves.
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to inhibit suspends altogether when an SD card is inserted. I've just
filed #6893 to track doing that for the next release.
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the local mesh only.
It would be worth someone checking out the Theora team's latest
optimizations, which might make Theora solve the codec problem.
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, and that Write opened its root window, on 1894
and 1895, and it hasn't run against 1896 yet. So, we can suspect that
it's either in 1896 only or local to your build.
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FYI, I did some packaging work and resurrected the video-chat
activity. I was able to videocall my 2 XO's and to call one XO
using Empathy from my desktop.
You rock!
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they'd like.
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. Adding:
%define _enable_debug_packages 0
to the top of the specfile disables that part of the build, and
produced a working kernel package.
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Hi,
I don't remember seeing this error before joyride-1914. I suspect
part of the idle-power-save strategy is interfering with data
transfer ?
Yes, that's right; touch /etc/ohm/inhibit-idle-suspend will disable
it temporarily, and you can rm the file when done.
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Thanks,
- Chris.
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